Hopefully better than Deck 1. I was reading the Steam Deck Reddit mega thread and it looks like they’re just now getting to orders made 1.5-4hrs after the preorders went live, depending on the model.What about availability thou ?
Hopefully better than Deck 1. I was reading the Steam Deck Reddit mega thread and it looks like they’re just now getting to orders made 1.5-4hrs after the preorders went live, depending on the model.
I'm starting to think the Steam Deck 2 might be nearing release by the time pre-orders catch up. It's insane lol.The fuck?!
I put my deposit down for the most expensive model about a month ago. Does this mean I won't get it for Q4 as Valve informed me?
The fuck?!
I put my deposit down for the most expensive model about a month ago. Does this mean I won't get it for Q4 as Valve informed me?
That's weird. You shouldn't have to put any money down.
That’s for US, I don’t know the state of UK/EU orders. I reserved a 64GB unit a month ago and it says “after Q3”, which could mean anything. I was reading an article from a month or 2 ago and Valve said manufacturing was picking up into the hundreds of thousands, so that could be a positive sign.The fuck?!
I put my deposit down for the most expensive model about a month ago. Does this mean I won't get it for Q4 as Valve informed me?
That’s for US, I don’t know the state of UK/EU orders. I reserved a 64GB unit a month ago and it says “after Q3”, which could mean anything. I was reading an article from a month or 2 ago and Valve said manufacturing was picking up into the hundreds of thousands, so that could be a positive sign.
And it will be even more powerful!No shit? A highly successful product is getting a follow-up? I'm shocked!
Deck was supposed to launch Q4 2021, so 3yrs would put Deck 2 in Q4 2024. I don’t think we’ll see a 2023 launch. Although I’d buy one if they did.They should launch a new handheld for every new fab node that allows a significantly more powerful APU for the same power envelope.
The thing about the Deck's Van Gogh APU is that it's made on N7P which has been available since 2019. The Deck could have released in 2020 as there's nothing that couldn't have been available at that time.
Van Gogh was even originally planned for H2 2020 according to the first roadmap leak where it appeared. It was supposed to appear half a year before the Ryzen 5000 series on some mobile product from Microsoft.
With N5 being made widely available for AMD this year, they can indeed launch a N5 Van Gogh successor for next year already.
sounds good but i hope they change the aspect ratio. make it 16:9 not 16:10. also cut down the bezels. the switch OLED looks way better:- OLED screen (same size and resolution)
- Lighter (but similar form factor)
- More power
- More battery life
Highly doubt you get it this year, 512gb is moving at a snails pace while the 64gb queue is moving very quick.The fuck?!
I put my deposit down for the most expensive model about a month ago. Does this mean I won't get it for Q4 as Valve informed me?
sounds like you are better cancelling and waiting for Deck 2The fuck?!
I put my deposit down for the most expensive model about a month ago. Does this mean I won't get it for Q4 as Valve informed me?
One pound reservation for the waiting list on the steam website.
Fundamentally options.
I would also replace customers with some customers in that comment.
I think there are a group of users who want a pc like model in terms of HW cycles (multi 'gen' software support) alongside the largely UX/UI model of consoles.
Again this is dependent on software support running across multiple generations.
Those are all assumptions/limitations that you are putting on what a console can look like. I also think certain users don't care about those features just like some users don't care about Game Help or Haptic feedback. I think the Steam Machine model could be doable now (since they have sorted out Proton) if Steam could convince OEM's to make the HW via a rev split model. I personally would take all options if I could even if in practice, I don't use them.So they want a PC with the downsides of the platform and none of the benefits (locked Store, little to no game modding, difficulty to add new peripherals controls options [no exclusive software], etc…)?
Again it's a value judgement, I don't value a 3090 a good price to performance ratio for my current desires or outputs, I do value a 3080 to be a good value for the fact that i am outputting at 4k. If I was using a PC to primarily stream to my phone or a 1080p60 then my value judgement changes and a 3080 becomes a bad one. Options allows consumers to choose what they want; it's why I have a Series S. You don't have to pay for the top end model.I am sorry, but the “options” feels like snake oil, I see why corps may want you to keep buying things from them and start charging premiums / increasing profit margins, but customers seems being duped into the allure of “options”, but they stand to lose more than they gain.
You can still have backwards and some forward compatibility software support in the current generations based model, not sure what you suggest is any better? Having more frequent HW releases that deliver less and less practical value to you but even longer cross-generation periods?
So this is the 3D0 model?Those are all assumptions/limitations that you are putting on what a console can look like. I also think certain users don't care about those features just like some users don't care about Game Help or Haptic feedback. I think the Steam Machine model could be doable now (since they have sorted out Proton) if Steam could convince OEM's to make the HW via a rev split model.
Don't know how the 3d0 dealt with software sales and the rev split model.So this is the 3D0 model?
Considering it likely hasn't moved more than a few hundred thousand units to date (based on the preorder counts they exposed), they still haven't demonstrated any demand beyond hardcore PC gamers buying it as a toy and curiosity. The tip top upper bound on that market is probably low single digit million(s), not the 10s of millions they've said they see as a potential. That market may yet exist, but it's definitely not buying $650 hardware off the Steam store. Another unknown is whether their current customer will even use them enough long term to warrant re-buying annual or bi-annual revisions. There is some danger in burn out.Is there any real disadvantage to continually making hardware upgrades to the steam deck every couple of years?
Considering it likely hasn't moved more than a few hundred thousand units to date (based on the preorder counts they exposed), they still haven't demonstrated any demand beyond hardcore PC gamers buying it as a toy and curiosity. The tip top upper bound on that market is probably low single digit million(s), not the 10s of millions they've said they see as a potential. That market may yet exist, but it's definitely not buying $650 hardware off the Steam store. Another unknown is whether their current customer will even use them enough long term to warrant re-buying annual or bi-annual revisions. There is some danger in burn out.
Anecdotally, broader market demand seems low. I got my unit in the week 2 shipment and seeing the stupidly inflated aftermarket prices, listed it on the largest Craigslist city in the state adjusting the price to undercut sold Ebay listings along the way. In a month I only received 2 responses, both offering effectively msrp after taxes. In contrast I sold my PS5 in the launch window for double that and would receive 10 responses a day. This implies little demand beyond the people already stuck in the queue, and even fewer willing to pay more.
How do we know if the preorders are the main bulk of the purchases and how do we know if that's the total preorders?
You are talking about options which do have a cost as developing these options is not free and just removes resources and time to prepare a proper next generation release. The console model is fundamentally built on generations: stable specs that get optimised for by devs.Again it's a value judgement, I don't value a 3090 a good price to performance ratio for my current desires or outputs, I do value a 3080 to be a good value for the fact that i am outputting at 4k. If I was using a PC to primarily stream to my phone or a 1080p60 then my value judgement changes and a 3080 becomes a bad one. Options allows consumers to choose what they want; it's why I have a Series S. You don't have to pay for the top end model.
It is required for it, but the inverse is not true. We both know it.Talking about how a more iterative console cycle only works with backward/forward software support which the console manufacturers.
I do not think that it is small but fleecing them with fake options to keep selling them new HW that sits underused but with “promise” and even longer cross generation windows seems both anti consumer and unethical (and it would backfire eventually).If consoles were like the old days of a brand new library of games, then no, I would not support a shorter console cycle. I also don't think users 'really' care about 'Cross-Gen' games, how many people are genuinely upset that H:FW or GT7 is cross-gen, they primarily care about the quality of the game. There definitely is a % that cares about the game/dev maximising the most of their HW but it feels small.
You are getting very abstract in finding value. A high end console might be valuable to you, but would not be viable for the market due to its higher price and size, but that is something that could work technically (not sure users would accept it): base console in a generation $499, 2.5-3 years later a premium $599 model is released… problem is that those users would be pissed when 2-3 years later you have a much better $499 base model in the new generation that is faster and has more capabilities (compare XOX with XSX in terms of HW specs, hey some people like the features XSS has over XOX).Again your understand of value is different to mines if I find value in 4k60 + RT then yes, the high end console is just equally valuable to me as if you don't and went for the middle tier one. The opposite is true.
Still releasing other hw upgrades just as frequently as before i.e gpu's or apu's in laptops.Ultimately the argument is simple: technology is telling us release HW less frequently (why? Reasons in my previous post )
Happens all the time in the mobile space. Consumers imo largely don't care. Steamdeck/handheld pc users won't largely care.base console in a generation $499, 2.5-3 years later a premium $599 model is released… problem is that those users would be pissed when 2-3 years later you have a much better $499 base model in the new generation that is faster and has more capabilities (compare XOX with XSX in terms of HW specs, hey some people like the features XSS has over XOX).
Uber expensive GPU’s in unbounded PC systems which get to grow big and spend lots of money on cooling is a completely different environment.Still releasing other hw upgrades just as frequently as before i.e gpu's or apu's in laptops.
Happens (unused hardware performance, single [or slightly above] digit per generation performance improvements) in the mobile space is what fuels the greed of these choices, chase the Apple success (even Apple is moving more and more into services as they see the gravy train of iterative HW to be less of a huge money maker). Mostly people update for the phone camera (they kind of destroyed the low end and mid end camera market) and smartphones are seen as a must have in today’s society unlike gaming hardware.Happens all the time in the mobile space. Consumers imo largely don't care. Steamdeck/handheld pc users won't largely care.
Happy to end it here too. Not sure you are reading what I am writing (might be just me sorry), but the discussion can be seen and be useful to others so I keep going.Think we are going in an unproductive cycle so happy to end it here or with your next reply.
My argument is largely that its not really anti-consumer if the user has the transparency into the performance (preferably via 3rd parties) and the option to opt out.The argument you are making is that anti consumer policies and strategies are ok if we can get people not to care they are getting duped btw.
My argument is largely that its not really anti-consumer if the user has the transparency into the performance (preferably via 3rd parties) and the option to opt out.
Done
Not at all. There will always be a better thing coming out. You've got to jump in at some point. I bet the next PlayStation and Xbox will be better too!Steam Deck owners: