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[SantaC]

The most notable difference is obviously the Zen 2 CPU @ 7nm which destroys the five year old ARM. Also, 16GB RAM vs 4GB is pretty significant

Source: https://www.sweclockers.com/artikel...ch-en-narmare-titt-pa-likheter-och-skillnader

 

[kingfey]

How many topic are we gonna have about this crap topic.

This machine freaking runs CONTROL. A GAME WHICH SWITCH HAS TO USE CLOUD FOR IT. HOW MUCH MORE POWER DO YOU WANT IT TO BE?

 

[Kuranghi]

The most notable difference is obviously the Zen 2 CPU @ 7nm which destroys the five year old ARM. Also, 16GB RAM vs 4GB is pretty significant

 

[ethomaz]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

 

[Woffls]

this is getting silly

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Dockning? Ja dockning.

 

[Kenpachii]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

Wouldn't be shocked if the steam deck will also play it

 

[spons]

but memory bandwidth operating system walled garden is it really a pc docked speeds.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah but what about the

 

[tr1p1ex]

Next you should compare the Ps5 to the PS4 Pro.

The Switch is a console with the typical console business model that has been around for ~40 years where the hardware is the same in year 5 and 6 as year 1.

You gotta wait for Switch 2 to get the next gen cpu.

 

[Mister Wolf]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

Yeah. I want someone to show SMT V or Metroid Dread running on the Steam Deck using Yuzu or Ryujinx and it not being a complete shit show before I consider a purchase.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Number 14.
The 14th Steamdeck thread I've ignored.

 

[ethomaz]

Wouldn't be shocked if the steam deck will also play it

In the future when a emulator got enough good... yeap.
We are years away from that yet... the next-gen Nintendo portable will probably be out before that.

 

[kingfey]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

This machine can run switch games. You will need to run windows OS on it though. Download emulators, and walala. Switch games on steam valve.

 

[SantaC]

Yeah. I want someone to show SMT V or Metroid Dread running on the Steam Deck using Yuzu or Ryujinx and it not being a complete shit show before I consider a purchase.

Runs Yuzu on 2500U with Vega 8 graphics card.

We are years away from that yet... the next-gen Nintendo portable will probably be out before that

It already runs some games on lower specs. See video above.

 

[Kenpachii]

In the future when a emulator got enough good... yeap.
We are years away from that yet... the next-gen Nintendo portable will probably be out before that.

I talked with a yuzu developer yesterday and he says it will most likely already run at the day it releases. The question is how well and how much they optimize for it. they will only know the moment they get there hands on it. But technically it should run on day one.

 

[Fredrik]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

I’m pretty sure Steam Deck will actually play more Nintendo games than Switch But so does the Xbox Series consoles through some shady methods so I guess we can ignore that for now and keep things official.
Exclusive games then, that didn’t help WiiU so I’d say the hardware still need to have some sort of appeal. For Switch I’m guessing it’s a combination of the portability, or hybrid nature if you will, and exclusive games you ”can’t” play elsewhere.

 

[kingfey]

I’m pretty sure Steam Deck will actually play more Nintendo games than Switch But so does the Xbox Series consoles through some shady methods so I guess we can ignore that for now and keep things official.
Exclusive games then, that didn’t help WiiU so I’d say the hardware still need to have some sort of appeal. For Switch I’m guessing it’s a combination of the portability, or hybrid nature if you will, and exclusive games you ”can’t” play elsewhere.

There is 2 games switch cant play. Call of duty, and GTAV. Those are a must for that machine.

 

[Rikkori]

Here's the easy to understand version for those not versed in tech specs:

 

[Husky]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

 

[ethomaz]

Good luck playing Switch games in slideshow mode lol.
Maybe in some years like I said.

 

[JLB]

Pretty much. Also, yuzu emulated games will ran much better than Nintendo remasterred games in the inevitable Switch Pro in 2027.

 

[Kenpachii]

Its sad but true.

 

[Mithos]

Aya Neo running Yuzu + Super Mario Odyssey



Aya Neo Specs

CPU	Ryzen 5 4500U
GPU	Radeon RX Vega 6
Display	7-inch 1280 x 800 (16:10)
RAM	16 GB LPDDR4X-4266 Dual Channel
Ports	3x USB-C (2x DP and PD), 3.5 mm combo audio
Battery	47 Wh

 

[BabyYoda]

Why did you link the German version?

 

[Exede]

Why did you link the German version?

That's not german.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I think we've had around 25 years of people comparing specs against Nintendo and Nintendo proves that well developed first party games negate or at least level the playing field of all their hardware.

I feel more confident buying a piece of Nintendo hardware knowing I'm going to have an absolute blast with some amazing games than I do in the steam deck playing bigger third party games at settings and framerates that I'm happy with.

The steam deck seems awesome for what it is and I may pick one up, but Nintendo has proven time and time again that their systems don't need to be compared to any other.

 

[Tripolygon]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

So does the Deck via emulation. Lol

Install retroarch, citra, yuzu, etc and you can run any game from the NES all the way to Switch games.

 

[Skifi28]

And here I thought the Switch would have had better specs. Truly an eye opening thread.

 

[j0hnnix]

Aya Neo running Yuzu + Super Mario Odyssey



Aya Neo Specs

CPU	Ryzen 5 4500U
GPU	Radeon RX Vega 6
Display	7-inch 1280 x 800 (16:10)
RAM	16 GB LPDDR4X-4266 Dual Channel
Ports	3x USB-C (2x DP and PD), 3.5 mm combo audio
Battery	47 Wh

Nintendo after watching this.

 

[ACESHIGH]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

What sells Nintendo hardware is not the specs but their games not being found anywhere else.

This thing will play Switch games better than the Switch on day one. My old ass FX 6300 at stock speeds runs BOTW and Xenoblade X at 30 FPS.

 

[RoboFu]

This thing will play Nintendo games better than the Switch on day one.

lol you guys are greatly over estimating this thing. it is 7 - 18w. In comparison a ps4 is 165W with nearly the same specs and it would have issue running a switch emulator. I would love to be proven wrong but I just dont see it.

 

[ClosBSAS]

How many topic are we gonna have about this crap topic.

This machine freaking runs CONTROL. A GAME WHICH SWITCH HAS TO USE CLOUD FOR IT. HOW MUCH MORE POWER DO YOU WANT IT TO BE?

/thread,

 

[sendit]

Wait......the Steam Deck doesn't use oled tech? Yikes. Nintendo 1 upping the competition

 

[Kuranghi]

Yeah. I want someone to show SMT V or Metroid Dread running on the Steam Deck using Yuzu or Ryujinx and it not being a complete shit show before I consider a purchase.

The only caveat to Switch emulation is that there are pauses and stutters when it compiles shaders the first time, so even if its locked to 60fps it will still have the frametime spikes you see in the video that someone replied to your comment with above, its on a much smaller screen than a big TV though so its not too bad.

If you aren't sensitive to v-sync stutter (Like when a game drops frames below 60) then you'll have a blast. You can see the whole game pauses for like 2 seconds when he brings up the map, stuff like that can happen too. I'm not knocking the emulation, its fantastic progress but I like to give this disclaimer for when people say "its locked to 60 fps! on X HW", because they never mention that caveat.

Older emulation like Dolphin for Gamecube/Wii has solved this issue via pre game launch shader compilations and asynchronous shader compilation for the ones that are created during gameplay, so you don't get stutter there anymore and its perfectly locked, but they dont have that for Wii U or Switch emulation yet afaik.

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

This thing will play Switch games better than the Switch on day one. My old ass FX 6300 at stock speeds runs BOTW and Xenoblade X at 30 FPS.

A device that is coming out at the end of 2021 has better specs than a device that came out 1st quarter of 2017, great analysis there.

My PC will play PC games better than Steam Deck on day one.

 

[TonyK]

669gm makes it almost unplayable for me :/

 

[Fredrik]

Aya Neo running Yuzu + Super Mario Odyssey



Aya Neo Specs

CPU	Ryzen 5 4500U
GPU	Radeon RX Vega 6
Display	7-inch 1280 x 800 (16:10)
RAM	16 GB LPDDR4X-4266 Dual Channel
Ports	3x USB-C (2x DP and PD), 3.5 mm combo audio
Battery	47 Wh

I did not expect that. Almost 60fps
How does Steam Deck compare to Aya Neo regarding power?

 

[Denton]

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Switch plays Nintendo games.

The biggest difference I see outside the stronger hardware on Deck is that Deck will play Gamecube, Gameboy and SNES games.

And probably WiiU and Switch games.

How does Steam Deck compare to Aya Neo regarding power?

Afaik it should have significantly faster GPU (rdna 2 versus vega)

 

[Kuranghi]

Wait......the Steam Deck doesn't use oled tech? Yikes. Nintendo 1 upping the competition

Small size OLED screens aren't like LG's TV-sized OLED panels, they have shitty near black handling so if its not a pure black background/pixels (ie most cases) then it won't look any better/could look worse than an LCD so its not a big loss. Its not the massive upgrade over LCD in almost every area that it is in TV size panels so an LCD panel will be great for this thing.

Do you have an OLED screened phone? If you do go to Netflix and watch the intro to Ozark S01E01 on it, the whole screen will be blue and it looks like shit compared to even my LCD TV, let alone the OLED.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Small size OLED screens aren't like LG's TV-sized OLED panels, they have shitty near black handling so if its not a pure black background/pixels (ie most cases) then it won't look any better/could look worse than an LCD so its not a big loss. Its not the massive upgrade over LCD in almost every area that it is in TV size panels so an LCD panel will be great for this thing.

Do you have an OLED screened phone? If you do go to Netflix and watch the intro to Ozark S01E01 on it, the whole screen will be blue and it looks like shit compared to even my LCD TV, let alone the OLED.

I bet the screen looks nicer.

 

[Birdo]

From now on, I'm using Systemkrets to describe CPU specs.

 

[Rat Rage]

Pack it up guys, Nintendo is done.

 

[Kilau]

Wifi 5 is surprising for Steam Deck, would have figure 6.

 

[Mithos]

I did not expect that. Almost 60fps
How does Steam Deck compare to Aya Neo regarding power?

Better CPU and GPU.

Aya Neo has 6core and 6 threads, and 6 Vega GPU CU's
Steam Deck has 4core 8threads, and 8 RDNA2 GPU CU's

Also that yuzu build is 5 months old... Improvements have been made.

 

[kyliethicc]

The most notable difference is obviously the Zen 2 CPU @ 7nm which destroys the five year old ARM. Also, 16GB RAM vs 4GB is pretty significant

Source: https://www.sweclockers.com/artikel...ch-en-narmare-titt-pa-likheter-och-skillnader

Switch OLED $350

Custom Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC
4 core 4 thread ARM A57 CPU @ 1.0 GHz
0.16-0.24 TFLOPs (handheld) / 0.39 TFLOPs (docked) Nvidia Maxwell GPU (256 cores @ 307-768 MHz)
4 GB LPPDDR4 @ 25 GB/s
32/64 GB eMMC, + MicroSD card slot

7" 16x9 OLED 1280x720 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 4.1
Dock - AC In (power), LAN, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 1.4 Out
Max AV Out - 1080p 60 Hz, PCM 5.1


SteamDeck $400/$530/$650

Custom AMD SoC
4 core 8 thread AMD Zen2 CPU @ 2.4-3.5 GHz
1.02-1.64 TFLOPs AMD RDNA2 GPU (512 cores @ 1.0-1.6 GHz)
16 GB LPDDR5 (@ 44 or 88 GB/s ?)
64 GB eMMC (Gen2x1) / 256/512 GB NVMe SSD (Gen3x4), + MicroSD card slot

7" 16x10 LCD 1280x800 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 5.0
Dock* - USB-C (for power), USB-C (to SteamDeck), LAN, USB-A 3.1, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 2.0 Out
Max AV Out - 2160p 120 Hz, PCM 7.1

*sold separate

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

Wait......the Steam Deck doesn't use oled tech? Yikes. Nintendo 1 upping the competition

[Broussard] Sources: GabeN is beside himself.

 

[sendit]

Small size OLED screens aren't like LG's TV-sized OLED panels, they have shitty near black handling so if its not a pure black background/pixels (ie most cases) then it won't look any better/could look worse than an LCD so its not a big loss. Its not the massive upgrade over LCD in almost every area that it is in TV size panels so an LCD panel will be great for this thing.

Do you have an OLED screened phone? If you do go to Netflix and watch the intro to Ozark S01E01 on it, the whole screen will be blue and it looks like shit compared to even my LCD TV, let alone the OLED.

It was mostly a joke post. Of course not all OLED screens are built to the same specs. Cost, power requirements, and form factor are just some of the limitations.

I don't have an OLED TV to compare it to. However, my iphone 12 pro consistently looks better than my 65" Samsung Frame TV.

 

[scydrex]

A device that is coming out at the end of 2021 has better specs than a device that came out 1st quarter of 2017, great analysis there.

My PC will play PC games better than Steam Deck on day one.

And the Switch Oled? When? Nintendo don't care about specs. They do the minimum. Don't tell me it'd base on the same old Switch from 2017. They could have do something but they don't care and still is a 2021 device.

 

[Fredrik]

Good luck playing Switch games in slideshow mode lol.
Maybe in some years like I said.

Look at the fps counter in the Mario Odyssey Aya Neo video above, it’s hovering in the 50s, sometimes up at 60fps.