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Stellar Blade Developer Shift Up addresses censorship claims "This is our final product. We are discussing this internally"
consoul
Member
Hold up. Did you just seriously suggest the change to the bunny outfit could have been a clerical error?
Either it's the artistic vision they intended, or it was modified at someone else's request. Let's not pretend there's some other random fuck-up scenario.
This nutjob is as "in the industry" as Mike Florio is on an NFL roster.OOOOOH, since it's an RPG full frontal nudity is OK.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Its double standard.....Remember this?OOOOOH, since it's an RPG full frontal nudity is OK.
Apparently you can't have cover of someone pointing gun thats why they remove it from NA version....
But this game gets a free pass for some reason.
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midnightAI
Member
Hehe, it is funny though, I don't think Eve needs bigger breasts though.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
guys....c´mon
Pejo
Gold Member
Crayon
Member
I think it was some sort of concession, myself. A hilariously ineffective one, though. That doesn't make it right but if that's all they had to do to get away with what they did then there is hope for the world.
ToneyJ
Member
And may also have Sony never work with Shift Up ever again lol
violence
Member
Cause they don’t like money?
Meanwhile BG3 is actually completely censored in Japan.Its double standard.....Remember this?
Apparently you can't have cover of someone pointing gun thats why they remove it from NA version....
But this game gets a free pass for some reason.
Last Hearth
Member
Honestly I think the claims of censorship is a little overblown.
Sony funded this game, they are involved in the creative process, them making changes is also part of the creative process.
I mean if a film director decides to cut a certain scene out of his final cut of the movie because he didn’t like the dialogue, is he censoring the screenwriter?
Unless someone has information of how this went down that proves otherwise, I think one just have to give it the benefit of the doubt that this was a change within the normal creative process.
Sony funded this game, they are involved in the creative process, them making changes is also part of the creative process.
I mean if a film director decides to cut a certain scene out of his final cut of the movie because he didn’t like the dialogue, is he censoring the screenwriter?
Unless someone has information of how this went down that proves otherwise, I think one just have to give it the benefit of the doubt that this was a change within the normal creative process.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Unfortunately double standard also exist in Japan....Lets be fair in BG 3 you have beastality bear sex, while people in west freaking out about Eve showing skin.
It's skin that's completely disallowed even with the highest age rating in Japan. You're not allowed to show full frontal nudity there no matter what rating you aim for.
Pejo
Gold Member
If only there were some sort of... I dunno... proof... that the designs were at one point included in the game and then later modified. Like if the files were right there on the "gold" version of the disc. Damn shame that nothing like that exists in this situation.
ToneyJ
Member
Just depends how much they care about all the controversy surrounding the title and if they want their brand associated with it.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Yep, that normal creative process of changing the costumes after they confirmed the gold copy and sent it off for disc pressings. It is normal for devs to suddenly go "Oh these costumes? We need to change them stat! Bugs and glitches can wait, this is far more important for the day one patch!"
The day one patch had 34 costume variations and additions as well as bug and glitch fixes. So yeah disc pressing wasn't the 'final cut' of the game and they created more costumes 'stat'. the alternative would have been to release an unplayable disc that required a day one patch to run like a lot of devs do.
Crayon
Member
I've been calling it censorship in an effort to concede the point that it may have been done because they thought it was too much skin. I think that's reasonable enough to assume. But it's not 100% known. They could have just picked some other variations. It's not like all of the costumes are super sexy. Some are more and some are less.
Last Hearth
Member
But that’s the thing, nobody knows how it happened. If they insisted on making the changes over the objections of the developers and ordered them to do it. That’s would be one thing.Yep, that normal creative process of changing the costumes after they confirmed the gold copy and sent it off for disc pressings. It is normal for devs to suddenly go "Oh these costumes? We need to change them stat! Bugs and glitches can wait, this is far more important for the day one patch!"
But what if it went down like this, they approached the developers and said “would it be possible to make some adjustment to make certain costumes a little less risqué”, the developer went back and came up a few alternatives, and by mutual agreement they settled on one of those versions. In that case, I would consider it part of the creative process, the fact it happened near the end doesn’t make any difference.
Nobody knows what actually happened and are jumping to conclusions.
Doomtrain
Member
Speaking as both a professional game developer and someone opposed to censorship, yes, it’s just as common for the art department to update their work via patches as for engineering. This can include fixing animations, broken textures, etc., but I’ve worked on projects where it included more extensive changes that the artists wanted to do originally, but ran out of time for.
EDIT: In this scenario, there’s no “these bugs can wait.” It’s different departments with different skillsets. Artists doing their thing in no way prohibits engineers from doing theirs.
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So they decided to change some designs last minute after the game going gold and the discs being made? You dumb? The icons even still show the original design for the costumes in the game.
Crayon
Member
First of all, fuck you. Second, you just quoted me saying I was leaning that it's censored. So much so that I was generally conceding it without qualification.
Senhua
Member
Agree, no body know. But why they make the uncensored claim beforehand ? no matter for what that is intented for. Can I get my money back for false bait and switch marketing? no? well then if that changes truly their intended vision, they are sketchy at best.
It happen with their previous NIKKE game (uncensored on beta and altered in final) and again with this.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
did play station published that game?
Senhua
Member
No, for NIKKE they stated that the altered final version were their final vision (exact same statement). Everybody at that time speculate that because of Google, Apple and/or Master/Visa.
GHound
Member
NIKKE was published by the Tencent subsidiary Proxima Beta which got rebranded as Level Infinite a few years ago.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
You should ask disney and microsoft (xbox division) the same question .... there are companys that value DEI and woke message spreading over money, that's been the case for quite some time now ... specially this multi billion/trillion companys.
Now sony is strange because they have two heads (jap and na) dont know how these two heads coexist.. but looking at their first party output as of lately... I can tell who is winning ... but seeing something like Stellar Blade slip trough at least gives me hope.
My point is ... there are multiple examples of companys burning money for years because of decisions based on inclusion and woke politics.... Disney being the biggest one imho.
violence
Member
I wonder if the Sony California headquarters considers stellar blade a diverse female due to being Korean? It technically fits the definition, but we all know that Asians are an inconvenient minority and have an over representation in the successful peoples group.
I’ve heard stories of Asian applicant discrimination at Harvard so I’m not sure where Asians fall with the comrades.
Frankly, if I never understand the woke mindset, I will be perfectly fine.
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midnightAI
Member
Apparently, yes.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Asians unfortunately dont see to count in the woke diversity quotas ... and I really dont think Asians give or should give a fuck about this... in the end I find extremely racist and patronizing this idea that any race/gender/sex group should be treated differently as they are not capable of competing thenselfs for something and succeed on their own merits.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
While I agree with the overall sentiment... I think it may be the case of little.. very little ... concessions to appease Sony US complaints ... as pointed out... there are multiple outfits even more revealing that are still in the game.
This game existing even as it is with this little changes is still a big victory for the non crazy people (us the majority of gamers).
Now if the next update comes with more changes and restrictions then by all means go nuts... I doubt anyone defending/spinning this censorship will still spin or defend if a new update comes with new censored outfits.
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rubenburgt
Member
Ah, yes. The good 'ol censorship on Sony consoles.
Why are you guys so surprised by this?
Sony is notoriously known for censoring their games.
Don't tell me you guys actually believed the game to be free from censorship? It's Sony!
Why are you guys so surprised by this?
Sony is notoriously known for censoring their games.
Don't tell me you guys actually believed the game to be free from censorship? It's Sony!
violence
Member
Yeah, my guess is this game was pushing the boundaries of what Sony allows and got them to loosen up more. It honestly gave me some hope.
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CityHunter1981
Member
Tell me about it. I grew up in Germany when a lot of games got censored because of violence, while the US didn’t care. Strangely enough when it comes to nudity and sexuality is the opposite.
Now I live for 15 years already in Japan where they are strict about both… luckily we are living in times where I can use the US PSN store when I need you, although it’s getting quite expensive with the current exchange rate…
JayK47
Member
A lot of you do not seem to understand the definition of censorship. If there were 100 sexy outfits and Sony says they object to even 1 and require the removal or change of that outfit, that is still censorship. Perhaps you do not have a problem with that, but it is censorship nonetheless.
drotahorror
Member
Does anyone know what gore got censored?
Fake
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Last Hearth
Member
It’s not as straightforward as that because Sony is a collaborator in the project.
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Eve absorbs blood like a sponge now resulting in being covered in less blood as opposed to being drenched in it. Shame she looked more badass soaked in blood. Used to have big BERSERK vibes.
ToneyJ
Member
This is really all we have to go on. The blood splatter may have had to be toned down to have the same version of the game approved globally.
Left is final game, Right is demo version.
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Crayon
Member
This is really all we have to go on. The blood splatter may have had to be toned down to have the same version of the game approved globally.
Left is final game, Right is demo version.
I haven't seen any other pictures, but I know that I noticed in the demo that she would come out of a fight like bloodborne style, and I haven't seen that in 20 hours of the full game.
ToneyJ
Member
its safe to assume a lot was toned down. I wouldn't blame Sony in this instance though.
It's a shame though because the blood splatter version looks badass as fuck.
edit: to add to this, the death animations in this game are very abrupt and awkward too, cut to black screen immediately.
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