I haven't ever fully read the bible, but did god ever behave in mysterious ways in it? All of the stories I have heard from it were fairly contained with god giving clear cut instructions.
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Stephen Fry on Confronting God After Death
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I haven't ever fully read the bible, but did god ever behave in mysterious ways in it? All of the stories I have heard from it were fairly contained with god giving clear cut instructions.
SirMossyBloke
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sunhi must tweet that gif to Fry. He must!
Must have missed this awesome of list of gods greatest hits.
1, Satan and angel rebel he creates hell and locks them in, he's also done this to other creations that are only know as archons and primordals to us guess where us humans are in terms of that universe. Christian mythology is awesome once you just ditch the bible as the only source.
2, When cain kills abel what does god do? Before I get to that may I remind you that cruel and unusual punishment is usually frowned upon most societies including christian ones. God decides to make the land yeild jack and shit to cain and on top he's the reason cannnites are cursed and is doomed to die many times over. There are more details but this overreaction should suffice.
3. Job, nuff said!
4 Jesus, god sacrifices a hrybid super hero anti sin son and a part of himself to a solve a problem that every AI should be required to take to prove it's own usefulness. Can you say vain and narcissitic I don't even think the notions of either wants to be associated with something that self serving.
5. Joseph get sold in to slavery by his brothers, just remind ya this is a royal bloodline we got going here.
6. At number six another fav of mine Abraham who basically is told kill your son or your not loyal enough to God.
7. This one here is a doozy, the flood this doesn't require that much thinking here.
8. Us, anyone that doesn't serve you can join satan in hell where you will be tortured until you repent, well that's one version and others you just don't come out.
9. The apostles basically get wrecked, its like a final destination movie except 6000 years earlier according to their timeline. All powerful All knowing but basically makes napeleon look like a chess genius.
10. Armageddeon, which is to come and it's to have one of the worst possible outcomes 1000 years of peace or hell on earth. Yet this mofo who basically created all these problems is on the way to fix it.
This god should be on the rupaul show or vh1 he shames most divas in the asshole department.
Kudos to stephen fry!
What if the God tells him those eye eating bugs are his favorite creation and he made man solely so those little fellas would have something to eat?
that's some shit right there make it to the afterlife and God said universe wasn't made for you guys I actually made the children eyeball eating bugs the center of all creation.
"They were my chosen peoples, and I made them in my image."
*God twitters like a giant holy larvae, his shifting insectoid form awe-inspiring to behold*
"Now off you go, back to be reincarnated into some new children for their feasts."
^ lol
We've all had that moment of regret.
Riposte
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Boring to who? You? Other humans? All you've shown is that in this life we enjoy conflict. What are the purpose of games though? To entertain? Distract? If you were experiencing never ending bliss in a way not possible in your current body do you really think you'd be jonesing for Half Life 3?
Don't get me wrong. I like this life and accept it how it is, but if I could choose for it to be different you better believe I would.
Thanks for the nightmares.
CountAntonius
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Miyazaki is God confirmed.
Damerman
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agreed, considering how big the universe is and how much it doesn't give a shit, to add on to that, the fact that we don't give a shit about each other, mutually assured destruction and all that. But i did say on the the condition: "if the good guys win".
I feel like it's the lost premise to an cheesy 80s horror/sci-fi movie
Hahaha.
Damerman
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i would argue that the opposite of an orgasm is castration, or snapping your femur. Mathematically, a perfect life would be like y = sqrt(x)
granted there are negatives on the number line, but if you changed the worlds conditions to y=sqrt(x), there are plenty of highs to reach... its just that if you are not high, you are probably at 0... i feel like you are completely ignoring neutrality here.
Gnome Scat
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Now that's edgy.
Suikoguy
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i would argue that the opposite of an orgasm is castration, or snapping your femur. Mathematically, a perfect life would be like y = sqrt(x)
granted there are negatives on the number line, but if you changed those conditions, there are plenty of highs to reach... its just that if you are not high, you are probably at 0... i feel like you are completely ignoring neutrality here.
Now that is interesting to consider. Great philosophical question, can the concept of 0, or neutral, exist without a inverse to positive or negative?
Morrigan Stark
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Man that was a nice smackdown. <3 Fry
Someone make a webm version with this music, please:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SlvB2Z-_C4#t=117
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Someone make a webm version with this music, please:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SlvB2Z-_C4#t=117
i would argue that the opposite of an orgasm is castration, or snapping your femur. Mathematically, a perfect life would be like y = sqrt(x)
Well your first mistake is failing to realize that science and squirting don't mix.
The third one is amazing. The other two have merits but are tough to get through.
Pretty much everything he brought up is tired atheist rhetoric that has been discussed and volleyed back and forth by philosophers and apologeticists ad nauseum for centuries. Judeochristian ideology declares that death and discomfort entered the world through the human choice of sin. At best, his is a boring answer for hating God.
i would argue that the opposite of an orgasm is castration, or snapping your femur. Mathematically, a perfect life would be like y = sqrt(x)
granted there are negatives on the number line, but if you changed the worlds conditions to y=sqrt(x), there are plenty of highs to reach... its just that if you are not high, you are probably at 0... i feel like you are completely ignoring neutrality here.
If you think about it, the fact that we can find playing a game rewarding in itself disproves his premise. When playing a game we do it because we enjoy the challenge, not because we fear actual death or immense suffering if we fail.
I don't really understand the support this video is getting, Fry just gave the typical answer any Atheist (myself included) would give. The question itself was stupid and should not have been asked and kudos to Fry for making fun of the guy for asking it but his response isn't something that needs to be praised. Like, do people think that Christians or Theists in general will watch his response and suddenly become "enlightened," abandoning their religion?
Morrigan Stark
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It's a good answer not because it'll convince religious believers (nothing would convince them anyway), but because it was well stated and well-delivered. And the old bloke's reaction was funny. That's all.
Damerman
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well, i don't really own a degree in applied mathimatics lol. It just came up in my head as a line on a graph that never goes below 0 on the x or y axis.
EDIT: wait, were you making a joke about squirting, or are you actually pointing out the incompatibility between square root and real life?
BlastProcessing
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That's just Biblical victim blaming. It also doesn't really deal with the issue at hand, which is why an omnipotent god would choose to allow such a world to exist. There is no reason an omnipotent god wouldn't be able to create Adam and Eve with free will and still have them not eat from the tree of knowledge.
If god is the origin of the universe, then she is the origin of free will. She gets to decide how it all plays out. It is a boring answer because it is so simple, doesn't make it any less logically sound.
Legend indeed.
It's a weird kind of morality that punishes in perpetuity all succeeding generations of sons and daughters for the sins of the mother and father, no?
People like it when others express shared ideas or feelings in a more passionate and more eloquent way than they themselves could. Stephen Fry is nothing if not passionate and eloquent.
Icyflamez96
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What? Still? Will had various info topics. I guess you all just love skipping over them and coming into any other topic about this subject to spam "what do you EVEN DO" comments. We've been told what you DO. Sure, you may want to see footage, but stop asking what we do, because we have that knowledge.
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People trying to figure out what they 'believe' might find something in it though.
Kudos for Fry.
I personally can't believe in a god. Doesn't make any sense given what we do know about our universe.
Please enlighten us.
Icyflamez96
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I was making a reference to something else
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Necromanti
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Icyflamez96
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I imagine a lot of religious types see Fry's response as "Whaa I hate God, he's so evil." when that isn't what he's saying. He clearly doesn't believe there is a God at all, simply that the universe is a cold and indifferent place in which 'shit happens'. Which to him, and others, is a much more pleasant thought than there existing a magical being who shits out souls into a life of nothing but darkness and suffering, because honestly, when asked to answer "y'know, just suppose what if he exists" questions like that, I'd be hard pressed to imagine such a being which deliberately allows such poinless suffering being anything other than a bit of a dick to put it mildly. Religious people are welcome to 'rationalise' it all away however they like though.'Adam & Eve', 'mysterious ways', whatever.
That guys reaction was great though. Looked like he was almost sent on his way to the pearly gates himself.
Lastgengamer
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Yeah even going by the Bible there was always pain and suffering, I mean wasn't Job's whole family and riches wiped out over a bet the Devil had with God?
Physical suffering never seemed to be the biggest priority to the God of the Old Testament at least.
Found an overview of the story http://www.gotquestions.org/God-Job-Satan.html
Anyway, Stephen Fry is a brave man if he does see God and says that.
Physical suffering never seemed to be the biggest priority to the God of the Old Testament at least.
Found an overview of the story http://www.gotquestions.org/God-Job-Satan.html
Anyway, Stephen Fry is a brave man if he does see God and says that.
Trying to bargain with the Abrahamic god is doomed to failure, might as well go out like this guy
The Smoking Bun
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Hopefully Captain America will save me then, or the Holy Version anyway.
Hell that gave me a thought, I meet the Christian God, I'm going to cry for Thor to save me
YAHWEH! We would have words with thee ---- The Mighty Thor
m_shortpants
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Let's say you really find yourself standing in front of God after you die, at the precipice of eternal damnation.
If God, the creator of the universe, master of time, space, infinite dimensions, etc, tells you that his morality was correct and your perception was wrong, would you really tell him "I don't believe you"? I understand what Fry is going for though.
If God, the creator of the universe, master of time, space, infinite dimensions, etc, tells you that his morality was correct and your perception was wrong, would you really tell him "I don't believe you"? I understand what Fry is going for though.
Insects are evil?
I'd say I was playing a rigged game.
Yes. There is no justification for the suffering of children today because of something Adam & Eve did thousands of years ago. If God is real then we surpassed him in terms of morality millenia ago.
Believing in and loving an all-powerful God that can directly intervene in life on Earth is like loving a more twisted, hate-filled, sadistic Osama bin laden who has less justification for his actions.
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