ItWasMeantToBe19
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Lapis should have just bubbled all of the Rubies instead of the Gems going along with that plan of Amy's. It had no exit strategies.
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Steven Universe Season 3 |OT| Clods Among Us
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Eyeball saw it happen though.
Baron von Loathsome
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Know Your Fusion is Friday. Kindergarten Kid is tomorrow's episode and the first of season 4.
EmpressInYellow
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Nah - given the way the various characters react to it, they at least believe Pink Diamond was straight-up killed, and at this point I don't see any reason to doubt them.
Now, we very well might find out additional info that complicates the story or provides additional context, but right now it seems pretty straightforward.
S4 starts tomorrow with The Kindergarten Kid, Know your Fusion is the last episode of the nuke before we go back to weekly episodes.
Chezzymann
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I bet they're going the avatar the last air bender route with this. How the previous avatars told aang that sometimes you have to kill someone, and then he found a way to resolve things peacefully.
Well not peacefully, just not murder-y
TheGreatDirector
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Hopefully it's less Deux ex machina than The Last Airbender though.
Lion will teach Steven the ancient form of Gem-Bending that removes a gem's powers.
Lion could be the remaining power of Pink Diamond that Rose siphoned off into another being so her current form could be maintained after she destabilized herself and reformed permanently as Rose, which is why she kept Lion a secret from the other gems and why he has the same color scheme as her.
This last bunch of episodes have been fine but I feel like the plotting is getting sloppy, especially in terms of what these characters might have done or talked about in the years that they've spent off-camera.
No, it's way too well-established that Lion's got lots of important secrets. It should be some other intelligent animal that shows up out of nowhere in the second-to-last episode.
No, it's way too well-established that Lion's got lots of important secrets. It should be some other intelligent animal that shows up out of nowhere in the second-to-last episode.
Saw the episode, im glad Steven learned first hand
as well as
It's something i felt the show would touch and im glad this was the path they chose for the finale.
The only underwhelming thing for me was
that there are enemies he won't be able to reason with and will not be able to save
it being a lesson Rose also had to learn back in the day.
Rest in space, my dearest Rubies ;__;7
The only underwhelming thing for me was
No flashback to the shattering of Pink Diamond, it was something that they were setting up for, but instead of eyeball telling the tale she got lost in space(tm) and we just got confirmation it happened, not how.
Then it'll be Dogcopter or Cookie Cat.
Oh, yeah, Cookie Cat's a great choice.
Chezzymann
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What do you mean by that? Like they're acting as if the war just ended when it was 10,000 years ago? I think their reactions seem fine since old history is being dug up in the wake of recent events, maybe they just pushed things aside over the years since the war was over and there was no sign of the other side coming back.
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Picking an intelligent animal would be too predictable; it'll be Onion.
What if lion fused with some ancient turtle creature?
Cybrwzrd
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This show has proven to be anything but straightforward tho. I'm sure all will be explained in time though.
Anyway, Why doesn't Rose look like other quartzes?
Huh. So it is. Be back in 12, I guess.
Freezasaurus
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Bubbled was a bit darker than I was expecting. Didn't really tell us much, either. It was okay, but not nearly this season's best.
It's a bunch of little things. Some are related to that - like, really, Amethyst never learned there was more than one kindergarten? Bismuth really threw me, though. Not that the gems have really fond memories of this other gem that nobody's ever mentioned and who hasn't shown up in flashbacks of the war, so much, but the premise of the episode is just really implausible. Everyone already knows that Lion is associated with Rose. Everyone knows that Lion's got access to a bunch of stuff Rose hid or stashed away. Pearl in particular has been really strongly affected by stuff coming out of Lion's mane, like the sword and standard. Steven's apparently in and out of there all the time for things as trivial as drinks, and he'd seen Bismuth's bubble before and I'm pretty sure had even told the other gems that a bubble was in there (also Pearl has historically exhibited a weird attachment to another Rose bubble). None of the gems ever thought it might be important to take an inventory of what's in Lion's mane? Steven never thought to ask any of the gems about the weird stuff he's seen in there?
Edit: And similarly, nobody seems to stop and ask why Bismuth was bubbled in Lion's mane.
User 73706
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One thing I've noticed is that blunt-force trauma isn't always enough to poof gems unless it's specifically coming from a Gem weapon - which, chances are, has some magical properties that make it easier to poof other gems using physical impacts. In just about every situation we've seen a Gem get poofed in (not counting the Gem mutants), it's either from:
- An object being run either the entire way through a gem (e.g. Pearl poofing in season 1), or an object being run from one side of the Gem's physical form to the gem on the other side (Sadie poofing the corrupted Gem gorilla monster thing)
- Blunt force from Gem weaponry, which is probably the most common as of now. See Peridot getting poofed on accident via Garnet's gauntlets, Amethyst at the hands of Jasper's helmet, a Bismuth poofing Lapis (who's shown us that a Bismuth's hands are their weapon),
Sardonyx poofing Fusion Ruby x5,
I mean hell, just recall all the freaking times Jasper's survived inexplicable physical impacts, explosions, ship crashes, being punched into the ocean, etc. to no effect, yet she can be visibly damaged by Gem weaponry that are operating at way lower velocities.
EDIT: Kindergarten Kid spoilers relevant to this:
This is more or less confirmed as of Kindergarten Kid. Peridot is actually ridiculously durable for her size, despite almost instantly poofing in Garnet's gauntlets.
KibblesBits
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Tee-hee. 😆
Amethyst doesn't really look like a miniature Jasper. Quartzes look similar, not the same. Rose and Jasper are both tall and thick-framed with big poofy hair, Amethyst is thick-framed with poofy hair but not nearly as large.
Chezzymann
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A lot of that seems to be intentional, but yeah its also a sloppy solution. Like the show has this weird lack of curiosity everywhere, even the beach city residents are just strangely not caring about massive earth shattering (literally) events. I can understand just being used to crazy things, but when your friend (steven) says to you (sadie) he just saved the world I would at least ask "oh, what happened this time?"
I think its a result of this show being so focused on big information reveals but still needing to have an episodic format with a static setting for the most part. So they have to make everyone not curious or then we would be having this conversation about bismuth, the diamonds, and shattering before lapis even showed up for the first time. Its kind of a weird predicament having a half episodic, half story based show like this. I mean for example, that bismuth story could have happened at any point in the show (outside of stevens new powers and the gems new forms).
That's part of the charm for me. You have Beach City reacting with complete nonchalance to supernatural shit for decades upon decades. Sadie is friends with a 14 year old who looks like an 8 year old who often walks around with a short purple woman who shapeshifts into a variety of forms.
The Crystal Gems literally spend one day with Bismuth and spend most of that day just enjoying their time with her. Obviously the question would have come up given more time, and Amethyst was already questioning why Rose hadn't told her about Bismuth, but this was not a large timeframe for them to start asking questions.
You do know that human history has all the stuff about gems on record, remember, the involvement of giants was part of the official records of beach city's history, all this stuff is probably well documented to the point where the human population has grown accustomed to it, also remember how Ronaldo flipped out because instead of "paranormal" explanations, everything was traced back to the crystal gems and this was disappointing to him because to the SU earth gem activity is not news.
A Human Becoming
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How does this keep happening lol
In Kingergarten Kid Peridot is essentially
Wile E. Coyote.
Chezzymann
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I guess in this situation, not asking about what's inside lions maine before might have been a mix of not wanting to tamper with roses or her sons belongings (like going through someone's room after they died) and they probably didn't expect a gem to be inside lion, just more stuff. And Steven seems to always assume that if they haven't told him something they probably dont want him to know about it. Which might be why he said "I've made a huge mistake" after popping bismuth's bubble. He just kind of assumed letting that gem out was a bad thing, because why else would no one talk about it.
Sweeney Tom
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Kindergarten Kid is incredible
Literally a Looney Tunes episode
I just don't buy it. And definitely not with Garnet around. I mean, I expect it was really really obvious to every viewer that Bismuth was bad news, and that took like 2 minutes. I don't think that that was only story cues. You pretty much immediately go from "Rose bubbled and hid Bismuth" to wondering "why did Rose bubble and hide Bismuth?" Unless these characters are supposed to be seriously questioning Rose's judgment (which maybe they should be, but mostly they're not) the presumption here has got to be that Rose had a good reason for that. You don't suspend your worries for a day to hang out with the huge potential threat that just showed up and then leave her alone with what is in some sense a highly vulnerable form of the person that is responsible for her being trapped in a bubble for thousands of years.
Im sorry, but i believe most people in the world wouldn't think hard cold fridge logic if they found out their best friend who they thought died turned out to be alive and just woke up from a coma. Most people would totally suspend their worries to catch up.
Baron von Loathsome
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Chezzymann
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I guess its possible that garnet and pearl were just biased about bismuth and wouldn't let the obvious thought that maybe she's bad news cross their mind since she was their friend. Like pearl said in the episode that rose must have found a way to save her, so instead of "hiding" to them it was saving. Doesn't really make sense when you think about it more than a few seconds but they probably were just too happy to see her.
Like amethyst didn't have that bias and was questioning things, but yeah i think she should have put it together faster (before bismuth persuaded her with those weapons) and realize that bismuth was bad news.
But I do agree with Steven not being curious and never asking questions (which conveniently delays big reveals), and stuff like amethyst not finding out about the beta kindergarten after being around for thousands of years
KenzinFive
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It was funny, but it's going to take a lot to top Hit the Diamond as the funniest episode for me.
Kindergarten Kid Full Episode Spoiler:
They even managed to put in some slight Peridot development with her bubbling her first monster. And it went to the barn instead of the temple, which is interesting by itself. Those were both unexpected, but honestly a tiny bit heartwarming, especially after Bubbled was such a downer episode.
I was expecting Peridot to get poofed and reform with a star, but that would have robbed us of all the physical humor. Who knew Peridots were so resilient?
I was expecting Peridot to get poofed and reform with a star, but that would have robbed us of all the physical humor. Who knew Peridots were so resilient?
What if they find out at exactly the same time that the person they admire most in all the world very deliberately put that friend in a coma in the course of fighting a war for the fate of the planet and then spread around a false story about that friend dying a hero, apparently intending that that friend remain in a coma forever with no one ever finding out the truth? I'm pretty sure that resolving the dissonance here is going to be a huge topic of conversation before you start reminiscing about the good old days. This isn't fridge logic to people who are living it. Surely a normal person in this situation asks "Wait, what the hell happened to you? We thought you were dead." It's immediately apparent that either Rose had a good reason and Bismuth shouldn't be trusted or Rose didn't have a good reason and they've got to totally reevaluate what they think about Rose. This is the sort of thing that Pearl in particular has got a hair trigger for.
User 73706
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Fun related fact:
while "upper crusts" is a great term for the Gempire 1%, in reality there are only two gems that form naturally below the Earth's crust: peridots and diamonds.
But they didn't find out about that until the end of the episode, because Bismuth didn't tell them herself until she confessed to Steven, Pearl and Garnet wouldn't ask about something they have no idea about. And again, they probably were emotionally overwhelmed.
that was another great episode. but yea nice development
I'm pretty sure I remember Steven explicitly telling the other gems that Bismuth had been in a bubble inside Lion's mane. Regardless, come on, at minimum someone's going to wonder why Bismuth is stepping out of Lion's mane, at which point Steven says "oh she was in a bubble" which lets everyone know that Rose bubbled and hid away Bismuth while lying about what happened to her. This just doesn't strike me as a complex chain of logic or something that depends on subtle details that the gems might not notice.
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