Infinite Justice
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its funny since we don't even know what she has personally done since all of these are from biased accounts (both good and bad).
Hopefully we will get more of her motivations.
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its funny since we don't even know what she has personally done since all of these are from biased accounts (both good and bad).
Hopefully we will get more of her motivations.
TheGreatDirector
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Oh my bad
I actually see Amethyst being the first gem Peridot fuses with just based on how much Peridot seems to look up to Amethyst.
mightynine
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Oh my bad
I actually see Amethyst being the first gem Peridot fuses with just based on how much Peridot seems to look up to Amethyst.
Peri already fused with Garnet off-camera, didn't she?
Freezasaurus
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Jasper ain't no Yamcha.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
???
Are you talking about the Log Date episode? I thought it was stated that she wasn't ready to try fusion yet.
truly yamcha
mightynine
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Maybe not. I remembered it differently.
She's a fusion of like 24 pink diamonds, otherwise we'd see the diamond when Steven fuses.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay so at this point I think its relatively safe to say that Rose is not Pink Diamond. And a few things become clear: PD was in charge of the Earth colony, and was still on the planet when the rebellion happened. Jasper calls her "my diamond" so its safe to say that PD herself oversaw the construction of the Beta kindergarden in response to a revolution in full swing. This is why I don't buy "Rose is a fragment of PD" theories, the Beta location was evidently in response to Rose. I'm guessing at this point that Yellow Diamond is nowhere nearby, Blue makes her visit from The Answer during the rebellion and is still on planet when the rebellion ends, fleeing as shit goes down (hence Lapis winding up stuck on Earth) and White Diamond is...well, we still have no idea. Maybe on Earth also? Maybe not
Maybe YD shows up at the very end, looks at the state of things and says "screw it", planting the cluster and detonating the weapon?
Maybe YD shows up at the very end, looks at the state of things and says "screw it", planting the cluster and detonating the weapon?
TheGreatDirector
Banned
What I wanna know is what made Rose revolt in the first place. If all gems are trained from creation to follow their directives to a tee, what caused Rose to change in the first place?
Also, by the end of this series I want Steven to fuse with Greg at least once.
Also, by the end of this series I want Steven to fuse with Greg at least once.
KibblesBits
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I still kinda feel like it's a 50/50 thing right now. There's probably a way she could be RQ AND PD... in some type of way...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I mean, we've seen Ruby and Sapphire and now Peridot all go through the same realization in various ways. Rose just needed to be the first to be triggered by something on Earth
KenzinFive
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In We Need to Talk, Rose clearly has some regrets with her past, since Greg says "I barely know you," and she responds "That's a good thing."
I saw people on Twitter saying that "Rose is evil" but I think it's just pretty clear that she's not perfect and she had to make some tough decision that she regrets.
I imagine she shattered Pink Diamond during or to start the rebellion, but she feels bad about it. It's likely that she wishes she could have just poofed her and then maybe reasoned with her later. That may explain why she's so against shattering Gems when Bismuth presented her with the option. She then tried to hide Bismuth because she was worried about everyone else's reaction, which would either demoralize them or cause a rift in the rebellion for those gems who believed in Bismuth's approach.
In other news, the leaked preview and screenshots for Know Your Fusion are out. The leaked preview just extends the official promo that CN released for it, and it doesn't spoil anything about Back to the Moon or Bubbled. So if you want to see (spoilers based on official YouTube promo)
Garnet and Pearl reacting to Smoky Quartz in a hilarious way, then the leaked preview is for you. It's pretty much just that scene.
And the weird Empathy powers? The terrifying ability to create and control sentient plant life?
I think there is enough weirdness with how strangely overpowered she seems compared to what we know of other Gems in her strata (Jasper, Amethyst) to question her abilities.
It is not any single ability that I question, it is just the multitude of them.
Pink Diamond is most likely out of play, but the idea that she is supposed to be a common quartz seems unlikely.
That said, I would actually sort of like the story more if she was somehow as common as we have been led to believe.
I think there is enough weirdness with how strangely overpowered she seems compared to what we know of other Gems in her strata (Jasper, Amethyst) to question her abilities.
It is not any single ability that I question, it is just the multitude of them.
Pink Diamond is most likely out of play, but the idea that she is supposed to be a common quartz seems unlikely.
That said, I would actually sort of like the story more if she was somehow as common as we have been led to believe.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You know what I'm a huge fan of actually? That we have no clue what happened between the end of Lost at Sea and now. Lapis went back to the barn in bad shape. Now she and Peridot seem to be genuine friends. Clearly something happened between them. What exactly was it? I don't know if we need to know
Freezasaurus
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Wouldn't it cheer you up to have Peridot for a roomie?
Rose might be an anomaly that was only around Pink Diamond as a sort o amusement or subject of interest. I mean, Rose surrounded herself with divergent gems (Pearl is misshapen, Amethyst is overcooked, Garnet is a permafusion) so she might be of similar circumstances.
Perhaps her life-centered powers gave her sympathy for the life on earth and took offense to the diamonds' plan or she was going to be shattered after no longer being of any interest to pink
Perhaps her life-centered powers gave her sympathy for the life on earth and took offense to the diamonds' plan or she was going to be shattered after no longer being of any interest to pink
KenzinFive
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If you look at Peridot's Twitter, it implies that Peridot recognized that Lapis was feeling really, really bad after returning from the events of Alone at Sea. Peridot stops Tweeting and goes to talk with her.
Either they were friends before this or they became closer friends after this. Either way, I'm just happy to see them getting along and just hanging out and making weird art installations.
If we ever get a Crystal Gems b-team with Peridot, Lapis, and Jasper, Peridot actually would be the best leader. She's already shown that she greatly values friendship, plus she has passion for the Earth and a desire to make others feel better. She even tried explaining her defection to Jasper in a positive way. Steven should be proud.
Permanently A
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So when Jasper says "because of what Rose did to my planet" she's referring to what planet exactly? Pink Diamond's home planet? And wtf did/could Rose do to an entire PLANET?
I think she more means the rebellion seizing control of Earth from the diamonds.
Freezasaurus
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If Jasper ever becomes a Crystal Gem, I think Peridot is going to play a big part in it. Jasper is stubborn, but she listened to Peridot when she was explaining why she turned against Homeworld.
Nah, Jasper has no respect for Earth at all. She says she was fighting against the Earth from the moment she was created. She wouldn't call it her planet.
I think we have enough info from the past few episodes to lay to rest ideas about Rose being Pink Diamond. Bismuth came from Homeworld and says that Rose was was grown on Earth. And Beta Kindergarten was created as a response to Rose's rebellion and whatever happened to Pink Diamond happened after Jasper came out of the ground.
Oh yeah. Perhaps Rose's Rebellion had an impact on Homeworld in creating dissent there. The rebellion proved that the Diamond Authority isn't invincible and sewed the seeds of doubt. This may tie in to Eyepatch Ruby's mysterious "thanks" at the end of Hit the Diamond; Eyepatch Ruby is part of a resistence movement. Looks like we may find out next episode since the rubies are back.
Oh yeah, and good noting that Rose Quartz really is a defensive cleric type. Last episode confirmed that Rose's sword was made by Bismuth. The Shield is Rose's only true "weapon" so far.
Oh yeah, and Pear most likely originally belonged to Pink Diamond. She has a Pink Diamond space suit and came from Homeworld. I wonder what caused her to change her loyalty. Pearl, like other Pearls we've seen. Is fiercely loyal to the one she "belongs" to. Even though she's talked about how she's independent and doesn't belong to anyone she still considers herself to belong to Rose. Is what Rose did to Pink Diamond what caused this?
who says it spreads through fusion?
I don't think jasper is getting corrupted due to fusion but instead because of her lack of purpose. She is doubting everything about herself and the end result is her entire being is destabilizing.
I don't think jasper is getting corrupted due to fusion but instead because of her lack of purpose. She is doubting everything about herself and the end result is her entire being is destabilizing.
Freezasaurus
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But couldn't it also be
overwhelming emotions? Centi was corrupted and it doesn't seem like she ever fused with anyone. But she did feel profound sadness when she lost her people. Whereas Jasper was feeling weak and rejected because no one wanted to fuse with her.
Acerac
Banned
The fact that the corruption started immediately upon defusing?
I get what you're saying about her breakdown, but Amethyst has been mentally torn up constantly throughout the series. She never fused with a corrupted gem, so she's never been corrupted.
Our gems have had tons of overwhelming emotions throughout this series, Pearl almost let Steven die a while back.
I don't buy it.
Also, the episode has been out for a while now can we stop with the spoilers?
KibblesBits
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It's better to wait and see before telling people their theories are wrong or whatever. It's very shades of "stop thinking in ways I'm not thinking" which the show itself pushes back against.
I've seen no end of exasperated "fans" telling other people how to act and think in regards to this fandom and it's getting tired.
Not really singling you out mind you, but the act itself kind of takes away the fun of speculation.
Freezasaurus
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Okay, but then what's the common denominator between Jasper and Centi?
it was also right after she basically gave up on everything. I mean she also said "Everything I fuse with tries to run away from me." in a super depressed way like she was just giving up.
amethyst has been mentally torn up but she has never truly lost her sense of purpose. she knows she still belongs with the crystal gems,
peridot never lost her purpose either.
she spent a while working towards getting back home and in contact to yellow diamond, and then steven slowly gave her a new purpose.
mostly with this show I seriously doubt it is as simple as fusing with something that is corrupted = you get corrupted.
Corronchilejano
Member
... Jesus... what if the corruption is shorthand for an FTD (fusion-transmited disease)?
I'm saying that HW created an AIDS of sorts. There's AIDS in Steven Universe.
Acerac
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They're both gems from Homeworld, which means they were both enemies of the Crystal Gems... and Rose Quartz.
She isn't a fan of killing, the last few episodes have hammered that point home.
Dunno, Amethyst was having some real difficulties for a while there. I get what you're saying, but I disagree there at least.
Also, is it simple if corruption is a disease? Hell, to me saying that if a gem loses their purpose they get corrupted seems far more far fetched. We would have lost poor Pearl ages ago after the whole Rose x Greg fiasco.
We know that the gems have a concious decision on how their physical bodies look. And, while he is a special case, Steven started changing forms uncontrollably when he couldn't stop thinking about his mortality. to me, that could kind of be seen as a type of corruption. I just think there's a lot more evidence that emotional health is a factor in the corruption process.
Makes perfect sense to me. They said that the corruption is the product of a shattered mind, and fusion involves a melding of the participants minds.
ayy lmao
Acerac
Banned
I'm not saying there isn't at all a mental aspect to it, I'm just saying that mental health certainly doesn't seem to be the only factor. Centi finding her family didn't seem to stop her from being corrupted, and she seemed really happy about it. All of them seemed really happy, and they all stayed Centipeetles.
Guys what ifJasper gets redeemed but doesn't like Camp Pining Hearts?
Immediately re-bubbled.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
That's what I'm thinking. Perhaps she used it on Pink Diamond out of desperation, decided that she didn't like killing, and that's where Bismuth and her actually came to blows. That's why Bismuth claimed with certainty that it would shatter any gem in the Galaxy. They knew it could shatter a diamond.
Except even after using it and refusing to kill again, Rose still put the weapon back rather than destroy it. If that's the case, then Steven actually is "better" than Rose - his first instinct was to destroy it, flat out, and never, ever consider killing.
That's true, but centi also started turning back into a monster when she became distressed. I'm not saying fusion is out of the question, it just seems hard to believe considering the implications of "diamond damage" and the sheer number of corrupted gems out there.
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