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[Sweeney Tom]

Next ep

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is called Bubbled and description is something like "Steven's in a bubble"

Probably going to be a whole flashback ep about what Rose did while he waits to be saved (or die in space while the rest of the show is all about lovable Peridot's adventures and bringing the gang's spirits back up)

 

[Chezzymann]

One thing that doesn't make sense

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if rose shattered pink diamond then why is she holding the diamond against white diamond on the mural

I don't think things are as as simple as we are being told

Maybe pink diamond agreed with rose and sacrificed herself for the war in some weird gem way? And then yellow diamond lied and spread propaganda that she shattered pink diamond?

 

[Black-Wind]

Steven Universe Season 4 |OT| A Diamond in the Rose

Back to the Moon

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That gem placement can't be a coincidence right?

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Also, anyone else hoping the rubies become Crystal Gems? They're so adorable.

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I think Gem placement can symbolize a gem's nature.
Tis also why I think PD was the Diamond in charge of gem production/ growth, nurturing and such. Every time we see a gem with a gem there they seem more emphatic and emotionally open. Even the Rubies show this, the "Navy" one seems much more laid back, kind, open and sensitive.

And I REALLY want Jasper uncorrupted and redeemed, a part of the team and leading her lil army of adoring Rubies :3

 

[Pachinko]

This confirms that pink diamond was a newbie

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This all makes me wonder if diamonds only exist on accident , like perhaps white diamond was the original (I picture the gems origin something like transformers or something , it doesn't really matter where they came from though) and perhaps after a few millenia , Yellow diamond came to be or was even created by white diamond to watch over a new corner of the galaxy. Then Yellow created Blue diamond after many thousands of years and Blue Diamond much more recently (in gem time) created Pink Diamond to farm out the outer arms of the galaxy. Pink Diamond went to work , using earth and it's moon for her first attempt at building her own servants (of all types) and eventually generated Rose Quartz (perhaps rose is the only such quartz of all the gems, something that earth was uniquely able to create) but maybe earth made gems are also more prone to free will ? like all the crystal gems were slightly defective but perhaps they don't feel that's ok until they get to earth ? I'm starting to ramble here but maybe Pink Diamond wasn't a bad guy , perhaps she was made an example of and Rose was coerced into doing the deed or something ? either way whatever happens in SU , I'm looking foward to future seasons explaining everything.

 

[TheFlow]

Maybe pink diamond agreed with rose and sacrificed herself for the war in some weird gem way? And then yellow diamond lied and spread propaganda that she shattered pink diamond?

This far and are there are still so many possible theories.

 

[Chezzymann]

This far and are there are still so many possible theories.

That would set up a pretty easy jasper redemption arc, once she finds out that yellow diamond lied about rose shattering pink diamond shell have no reason to serve home world anymore

 

[KiN0]

So, after this episode, I really want to see sapphire fuse with one of the other rubies. just to see what kind of garnet we would get. And while I'm at it, I'll put down some other fusions id like to see

Pearlxperi
pearlxlapis
Sapphirexlapis
Amyxruby
Amyxperi
Stevenxperi

 

[TheGreatDirector]

Maybe pink diamond agreed with rose and sacrificed herself for the war in some weird gem way? And then yellow diamond lied and spread propaganda that she shattered pink diamond?

Eyeball said she saw the shattering happen with her own eye.

 

[MartyStu]

One thing that doesn't make sense

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if rose shattered pink diamond then why is she holding the diamond against white diamond on the mural

I don't think things are as as simple as we are being told

To be fair, all this seems to be propped in a way ripe for subversion.

 

[Matsukaze]

Maybe pink diamond agreed with rose and sacrificed herself for the war in some weird gem way? And then yellow diamond lied and spread propaganda that she shattered pink diamond?

I'm curious about Blue Diamond, personally. An entire court full of Sapphires and not a single one beheld a potential disaster of that magnitude looming on the horizon?

I'm not usually one for wild theories but it would be interesting if Blue Diamond got wind of the mayhem ahead of time and ordered the knowledge be contained.

 

[User 73706]

One thing that doesn't make sense

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if rose shattered pink diamond then why is she holding the diamond against white diamond on the mural

I don't think things are as as simple as we are being told

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That's actually Blue Diamond. Well, maybe. "White Diamond" may actually be a far-flung vision of Peridot taking the drill to the Cluster, so everything's kind of up in the air in that regard.

 

[TheFlow]

Yea Jaspers redemption is definitely going to involve the truth about rose/pink diamond

 

[Chezzymann]

Eyeball said she saw the shattering happen with her own eye.

Maybe whatever the heck rose is doing in that mural looked like shattering, when it was actually pink diamond giving up her energy for a really cool attack or whatever (just spit balling lol)

 

[Maximo]

Maaaaaaan so many theories and lore dump, the eventual end of Summer of Steven to September is going to be a extremely painful wait for the next episodes..I assume mid next year?

 

[KiN0]

Maybe whatever the heck rose is doing in that mural looked like shattering, when it was actually pink diamond giving up her energy for a really cool attack or whatever (just spit balling lol)

That would actually make pretty good sense. The newbie diamond in charge of breeding life realizes colonization is wiping out another ecosystem, so she decides to collude with one of her soldiers to end the process and save her planet.

 

[Htown]

I mean this is a huge, star-spanning empire. It would have had to be something of that magnitude to get them to decide that completely abandoning the planet was the best strategic option.

And yeah, Rose totally did it. Did you see Pearl's reaction?

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Eyeball said she saw the shattering happen with her own eye.

And Pearl was visibly crying. It happened

 

[KibblesBits]

I'm still not convinced of any of this until it is actually shown on screen. There's way too much misdirection and omission in this show lol.

 

[Black-Wind]

One thing that doesn't make sense

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if rose shattered pink diamond then why is she holding the diamond against white diamond on the mural

I don't think things are as as simple as we are being told

Uhhh, we don't know what she was holding in the mural.
People assumed it was a diamond a long time ago but sense then another theory surfaced.

 

[Violet_0]

wonder when they start with the boss fights already

Jasper is just the mid-boss that challenges you again and again

 

[KibblesBits]

wonder when they start with the boss fights already

Jasper is just the mid-boss that challenges you again and again

S.U. should have a side scrolling beat em up type game after all is said and done.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

S.U. should have a side scrolling beat em up type game after all is said and done.

It needs songs with lyrics that kick in during boss fights like Metal Gear Rising though.

 

[User 73706]

wonder when they start with the boss fights already

Jasper is just the mid-boss that challenges you again and again

Malachite and the Cluster both seemed like pretty major bosses to me.

 

[Black-Wind]

As for Rose

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Shattering PD ... I see no reason to doubt it.
1. The Breaking Point was NOT destroyed after Rose poofed and bubbled Bism. In fact, it was left in the same place. Why was that? So that if needed she could find it but no one else would come across it IMO.
2. There's no reason for Eyeball to lie. She says she saw it with her own eye and if the only 2 gems there who could refute it didn't speak up I'm sure they can't think of something that would say otherwise.
3. Look at Garnet's and Pearl's reaction. Now, I'm not saying they knew it to be the case. If anything i think that they are taken aback by the fact that it could very well be the case. Like, maybe Rose told them that the diamonds killed PD but after recent events they can't refute this claim by a Ruby that she saw Rose do it first hand.

I read that expression on Pearl's face as shock and terror more than regret that the secret is out.

 

[rrs]

Yeah, I think Rose

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killed pink diamond, not for a cool attack but out of pure blood(gem?)lust. Consider rose is just like jasper, but with a loyal army of those rejected by the diamonds wanting to crush everything related to the diamonds. The kind of quartz that would have an operation at beta to create the "defective" gems needed to fight a war. The kind of quartz that would claim to be innocent and never shatter a gem to do just that to a diamond. The kind of quartz that would tell half truths and lies to get power and secure it. Then, the bomb went off and took the rebellion out, or so it seemed.

 

[Psxphile]

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COME ON AND SLAM
AND WELCOME TO THE JAM

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Eyeball said she saw the shattering happen with her own eye.

She also spent the entire episode thinking a giant purple morphed Amethyst was really Jasper.

The rubies are not very bright, is what I'm saying here.

That doesn't mean what she's saying DIDN'T happen, but it does mean that the writers have an out if things didn't go down exactly the way that the rubies are claiming.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

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I still think PD is Lion

 

[Panthalassic]

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LOOK AT HER GEM PLACEMENT. NOW LOOK AT ROSES'. MAKES YOU THINK.


Also does this mean that the CG's/Rose shattered all of PD's imagery around Earth? Maybe that's how Rose started? By breaking all imagery of PD? Hmm


EDIT: PD only has one planet in her mural. It's Earth. What does it all mean?

 

[rhandino]

I thought tha it was very clear that

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the Ruby was telling the truth since Pearl reaction is of one that is reminded of a terrible thing that happened in the past.

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I can totally see Pearl being Pink Diamond personal Pearl and after PD being shattered Rose Quartz offered freedom to her and thats why Pearl is so attached to her.

Hell, it would be cool if Pearl fought against Rose Quartz because of that until Rose convinced her that Pink Diamond being her owner was not good for her or the rest of Earth gems

 

[Infinite Justice]

once again another another account from someone who doesn't seem all that reliable.

Will be interesting to see what the writing team ultimately does with this (stick to this narrative or make a swerve)

 

[User 73706]

Kind of out there, but given Rose's whole empathy and wanting-to-experience-Earth thing, maybe

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Pink Diamond is bubbled away in the basement, but Lion is acting as sort of a remote vessel for her to still experience the Earth, albeit in a limited / not entirely sapient fashion. So, not exactly PD = Lion, but close enough.

 

[TheOGB]

I'm with MartyStu. The way they set this up makes it wayyyyyy too easy to subvert expectations. This is some top tier high level shenanigans right here.

Also OT4 gotta be "Every Rose Has Its Thorns" at this point

 

[Alcoremortis]

Eyeball said she saw the shattering happen with her own eye.

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Eyeball also thought Amethyst was Jasper. Eyeball's eye isn't a super reliable witness.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Does anyone remember that Gem Steven found in the episode in which Ronaldo tries to murder Lars? Are they ever going to back to it?

 

[Puruzi]

Rose killed Pink Diamond. Even if you don't believe Eyeball, Pearl and Garnet's reaction seals it.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I've been spoiled by leaks. I want Bubbled now!

 

[Raxus]

I've been spoiled by leaks. I want Bubbled now!

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[SparksterMeta0]

The more answers we get about Rose, the more questions that follow.
And now THIS?! What's going on?

 

[NEO0MJ]

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That's actually Blue Diamond. Well, maybe. "White Diamond" may actually be a far-flung vision of Peridot taking the drill to the Cluster, so everything's kind of up in the air in that regard.

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Based on the gem placement yeah it might be blue. White has her's on her forehead while Blue's was on her chest.

 

[Opto]

So possible timeline (?): Rebellion starts -> Jasper is made -> Rose shatters PD -> Evac/Corruption

 

[KenzinFive]

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Im starting to wonder if Earth was Pinks (Rose?) first colony. All the other diamonds had several planets in their murals while Pink only has one with a moon.

Look at all those planets around White Diamond. She's pretty much guaranteed to be the final "big bad" of the series, unless they have to cut things short and just end it with Yellow Diamond being defeated (followed by an Earth-Homeworld peace treaty).

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

Everyone on the show has varying degrees of problems, hopefully Rose is revealed to be not perfect.

 

[Htown]

So possible timeline (?): Rebellion starts -> Jasper is made -> Rose shatters PD -> Evac/Corruption

yep, that's what it looks like

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

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Im starting to wonder if Earth was Pinks (Rose?) first colony. All the other diamonds had several planets in their murals while Pink only has one with a moon.

Is it just me or does that vaguely look like Connie on the right?

 

[Opto]

Everyone on the show has varying degrees of problems, hopefully Rose is revealed to be not perfect.

I mean, she never was. She totally mishandled the Bismuth situation, she never set Pearl straight (heyo), she led a lot of gems to their deaths and committed acts of war that Jasper respected.

I'm going to be real disappointed if Rose didn't actually shatter PD and it was just a misunderstanding from everyone's perspective/nefarious trick by the other diamonds

 

[NEO0MJ]

Maybe Rose gained her powers after snorting Pink Diamond's shattered shards?

Is it just me or does that vaguely look like Connie on the right?

Nah, we already saw Blue Diamond and she looked similar to that. Chalk it up to style.

 

[The_Kid]

I think Rose shattering Pink Diamond was probably the point she vowed never to shatter again.

Either that or it became Lion. I mean Lion existing is a weird anomaly in the show. Where did he come from?

Maybe Rose gained her powers after snorting Pink Diamond's shattered shards?



Nah, we already saw Blue Diamond and she looked similar to that. Chalk it up to style.

Well there is the theory that Connie is actually descendant from a diamond relationship like Steven, like generations and generations removed.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

Man, "Back to The Moon" was great!
This episode really gives us a look into how Jasper might be regarded on homeworld; the ruby squad, especially Eyeball- the era 1 veteran of the group-, are absolutely enamored with her and basically treat her like a legendary war hero.
Doc even wanted her/jaspamethyst to fly the ship!
Maybe some of the homeworld elites view her as one of the best things to come out of the shoddy beta kindergarten/failed earth colony in the same way that the CGs feel that Amy is the best thing to come out of the destructive prime kindergarten.

As for Rose shattering PD:
I see absolutely no reason to disbelieve Eyeball's eyewitness- no pun intended- account; she has no reason to lie to anybody there and it's not far-fetched that's she be in the presence of a diamond (possibly protecting an aristocratic gem), plus Garnet and (especially) Pearl all but confirmed her testimony with their distraught body language and stunned silence on that matter- they clearly didn't want Steven to know this information-.
I imagine if what Eyeball was saying wasn't true Pearl and Garnet would have denied it right then and there.

Whether or not Rose did it on purpose or accident is a different story though; we've seen that her shield can absorb an enemy's blow and send out a powerful shock wave that destroys them.
Maybe PD suffered the same fate that befell Lapis' water clones.

 

[MartyStu]

Steven Universe S4 |OT|

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The Assassination of Pink Diamond by the Coward Rose Quartz

Holy shit, I cannot believe I missed this one.

It is soooooooo good.

Maybe Rose gained her powers after snorting Pink Diamond's shattered shards?

This possibility has been floating in my mind for quite some time.

I...like it as an option: Rose did not become ridiculous until after having shattered PD.