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Streamer Harasses Girl Playing Pokemon Go (MASSIVE CRINGE ALERT)

Pau said:
If the girl you're bothering starts walking away please don't keep talking and for fucks sake don't follow her.

And of course a bunch of dudes bring out the whole: "We can't talk or hit on random women anymore?!" If you're gonna make comments like that actually yes, you're right, please don't interact with me on the street. I'm gonna guess many of the guys who have harassed me thought they were just having a conversation or simply trying to hit on a girl.
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So do you think that what is being shown here is actually harassment? What is your definition of harassment and what would you call someone who, for an extended period of time, after several direct pleds to leave you alone tries to annoy you, talk you down or feverishly hitting on you?
 
Onyar said:
This is harassment? Maybe in USA, but he is just a loser in all the other countries of the world.
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Harass can be used as a stronger synonym for bother.
That use is different than the legal sense though

(Can't watch the vid atm but thought I'd clarify since it seems to be a difference in language at times)
 
Yoshi said:
So do you think that what is being shown here is actually harassment? What is your definition of harassment and what would you call someone who, for an extended period of time, after several direct pleds to leave you alone tries to annoy you, talk you down or feverishly hitting on you?
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Honestly not interested a semantics game because that doesn't mean shit when I'm actually dealing with these guys. All I know is that he's exhibiting behavior that bothers me when I'm out on the street and makes me feel uncomfortable: guys not knowing when a woman is not interested in continuing a conversation. He got the message quicker than some of the guys I deal with but that's faint praise.
 
Pau said:
If you think this is about not interacting with strangers in general you're either misunderstanding what I'm saying or don't care at all about whether or not you're bothering people. Like I said, I don't mind having random people engage me in conversations. But I know what it looks like when someone doesn't want the conversation to keep going and when guys don't get the hint. Proper behavior is dropping it when it's clear that the person you're talking to wants nothing to do with you. I don't think I'm an outlier for thinking that.
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This was already covered. You initially said it was poor behavior because he talked to someone who then walked away. I said that's results oriented and in fact it's only improper if he continued to follow her in an attempt to engage.

I think the conversation lasted about 20 seconds judging from that clip. We could analyse this specific situation to death, but in the end everyone has a different personality and everyone reacts differently.
 
Mobius and pet octopus said:
This was already covered. You initially said it was poor behavior because he talked to someone who then walked away. I said that's results oriented and in fact it's only improper if he continued to follow her in an attempt to engage.

I think the conversation lasted about 20 seconds judging from that clip. We could analyse this specific situation to death, but in the end everyone has a different personality and everyone reacts differently.
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Dude I said it was poor behavior because he kept talking as she was already walking away. I really don't see what's so controversial about being like: "Hey if the person you're talking to won't look at you and is walking away from you, they probably don't want you to keep talking to them."
 
This is harassment? Basically saying "hi" and trying to have a conversation over a common interest? The girl was laughing and smiling through it, I don't see anything wrong here, at all.
 
Misha said:
Harass can be used as a stronger synonym for bother.
That use is different than the legal sense though

(Can't watch the vid atm but thought I'd clarify since it seems to be a difference in language at times)
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I think people must be cautious about using certain words, because saying that this is harassment can bring to consider a lot of situations like this one, that aren't harassment, to be considered like so, and that only could hide the real harassment or molesting situations.
 
Onyar said:
I think people must be cautious about using certain words, because saying that this is harassment can bring to consider a lot of situations like this one, that aren't harassment, to be considered like so, and that only could hide the real harassment or molesting situations.
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Well like I said this is one meaning to "harassment". We'd have to completely do away with that meaning to make that happen. I guess that mentioning that it's confusing is an attempt to change that but outright saying "that's not harassment" is incorrect and is off topic from whatever discussion it comes up in anyway
 
mcz117chief said:
This is harassment? Basically saying "hi" and trying to have a conversation over a common interest? The girl was laughing and smiling through it, I don't see anything wrong here, at all.
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you really think she was enjoying that? he was being a passive aggressive douche about her not being a true gamer while also being obnoxious in general.
 
Onyar said:
I think people must be cautious about using certain words, because saying that this is harassment can bring to consider a lot of situations like this one, that aren't harassment, to be considered like so, and that only could hide the real harassment or molesting situations.
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This is like arguing that you shouldn't learn how to walk because it will confuse you on running.
 
17 Seconds said:
you really think she was enjoying that? he was being a passive aggressive douche about her not being a true gamer while also being obnoxious in general.
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I'm not saying she "enjoyed" it but I also don't think like she felt threatened or anything. And where does he say anything about being a true gamer? He just asked her if she plays games.

The Omega Man said:
Holy shit, are you for real?
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Um, I don't get you, what are you trying to say?

He comes over and asks this lady if she plays games, then askes her why she started. She puts on a smile and leaves since she doesn't want to talk to a stranger, her friend laughs about it, over. I don't see anything here besides a person talking to another person who leaves. It was literally like two sentences.
 
So trying to flirt (terribly) is harrassing now? He understood pretty quickly that she wasn't into it.

I mean god forbid you approach someone you don't know in public.
 
mcz117chief said:
I'm not saying she "enjoyed" it but I also don't think like she felt threatened or anything. And where does he say anything about being a true gamer? He just asked her if she plays games.



Um, I don't get you, what are you trying to say?

He comes over and asks this lady if she plays games, then askes her why she started. She puts on a smile and leaves since she doesn't want to talk to a stranger, her friend laughs about it, over. I don't see anything here besides a person talking to another person who leaves. It was literally like two sentences.
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That's completely glossing over the weird part of the conversation, where he tells her he can get her Instagram followers and follows it up with "I bet you'd love that."

brawly said:
So trying to flirt (terribly) is harrassing now? He understood pretty quickly that she wasn't into it.

I mean god forbid you approach someone you don't know in public.
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How often do you flirt with someone holding a camera streaming to 6000+ viewers? I don't think he was harassing her, but he was definitely making her feel uncomfortable.
 
Contralto said:
That's completely glossing over the weird part of the conversation, where he tells her he can get her Instagram followers and follows it up with "I bet you'd love that."
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a lame joke, he knew she wasn't interested so he just tried to make some kind of closing act. I think you guys are reading into this way too much.
 
brawly said:
So trying to flirt (terribly) is harrassing now? He understood pretty quickly that she wasn't into it.

I mean god forbid you approach someone you don't know in public.
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I wouldn't call that flirting not even "flirting terribly".

It's more like heckling. Distinguishing that from harassment is splitting hairs, though.
 
JeffGrubb said:
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This is a good comparison, not just because of the similar actions, but also because of how similar the responses were when this video came out. Posters afraid of labeling something what it is by definition due to either associating the term harassment with far more sinister/possibly criminal behavior, thinking that applying said label to the actions means you are applying the label to the person forever like a brand, and/or relating to the behavior and not wanting to associate said behavior negatively for their own benefit. Regardless, it's ok to label the actions as they are. It doesn't mean anyone is outraged/wants to burn the guy at the stake/anyone thinks he's an evil person.
 
So let me check this out:

dude was filming the girl (so far we don't know if consentually or not), talking to her when she was clearly not into the conversation and then offers stuff for her so she can stop being so "shy".

And people don't see it as harassament...
 
I was watching this stream at one point and he did the same thing to 2 other girls except they did want instagram followers and they followed him around for an hour or more. Not sure if it was before or after this.
 
Pau said:
Dude I said it was poor behavior because he kept talking as she was already walking away. I really don't see what's so controversial about being like: "Hey if the person you're talking to won't look at you and is walking away from you, they probably don't want you to keep talking to them."
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What you originally said was only a preface to the comment I made in response. I was pointing out I had already stated what you later claimed I was ignoring or not caring about.

"Proper behavior is dropping it when it's clear that the person you're talking to wants nothing to do with you."

Again, I literally already said the person stopped talking to her when it was clear that she didn't want to engage in conversation.

Maybe you're painting the video in a negative light perhaps influenced by your own personal bias built off negative experiences. I am not so cynical as to presume she suffered more than a spot of momentary annoyance and that is a far cry from harassment.
 
Eh just seems like he's trying to talk to her and she doesn;t want to give him the time of day. I wouldn't say Cringe- this is pretty harmless. Go to a bar on Friday nights, MUCH WORSE.
 
mcz117chief said:
This is harassment? Basically saying "hi" and trying to have a conversation over a common interest? The girl was laughing and smiling through it, I don't see anything wrong here, at all.
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Her laughing and smiling had the look of get the fuck away from me you creep written all over her face. Do you say "hi" to people with your cell phone recording them as you do so? The video is 100% cringe and creepy.
 
I dunno, if a random guy came up to me and told he could get me a bunch of Instagram followers I would assume he meant "by doing something sexual" and I'd feel pretty uncomfortable

Edit: not to mention the whole sticking a phone/camera in my face part
 
Mobius and pet octopus said:
What you originally said was only a preface to the comment I made in response. I was pointing out I had already stated what you later claimed I was ignoring or not caring about.

"Proper behavior is dropping it when it's clear that the person you're talking to wants nothing to do with you."

Again, I literally already said the person stopped talking to her when it was clear that she didn't want to engage in conversation.

Maybe you're painting the video in a negative light perhaps influenced by your own personal bias built off negative experiences. I am not so cynical as to presume she suffered more than a spot of momentary annoyance and that is a far cry from harassment.
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We're talking past each other at this point. From my point of view, he kept going even when she already showed that she wasn't interested in talking to him. I don't see anything wrong with saying he should have seen that and not gone on to make stupid comments while she was walking away.

But hey, let's just right off women's own opinions and experiences as too biased.
 
Pau said:
We're talking past each other at this point. From my point of view, he kept going even when she already showed that she wasn't interested in talking to him. I don't see anything wrong with saying he should have seen that and not gone on to make stupid comments while she was walking away.

But hey, let's just right off women's own opinions and experiences as too biased.
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Basically the summary of this thread.
 
Sometimes people tell me I can be charming when I talk to girls. I laugh it off because anyone who knows me know how much of a doofus I really am. If this is how other guys are hitting on girls then I feel much better about myself.
 
saying this video was "harassment" and that he "followed" is a huge disservice to anyone who has ever been harassed or followed
 
Pau said:
We're talking past each other at this point. From my point of view, he kept going even when she already showed that she wasn't interested in talking to him. I don't see anything wrong with saying he should have seen that and not gone on to make stupid comments while she was walking away.

But hey, let's just right off women's own opinions and experiences as too biased.
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He stopped pursuing conversation after a reasonable amount of time had passed. Everyone has different personalities and everyone reacts differently. There is no harassment to try and coax someone to open up and start a dialogue. We've already covered that. What is a reasonable amount of time? 30 seconds is definitely within a reasonable amount of time. Yes, she had cues that added up to him realizing that he should stop and he did. I'd imagine had she said to stop speaking to her or made some other conspicuous indication (sooner than she had), I'd be on your side arguing he should have stopped sooner.

There has been no writing off of your opinion. I've read, considered, and responded to your posts and we've come to a disagreement.
 
OrbitalMatrix said:
You're completely misrepresenting my argument. Firstly, yes, people DO make presumptions of men all the time. Women are notorious for this as well. More to the point, if I saw a well-to-do middle aged man on his phone in the street, I would assume he's not a gamer as well, even though he very well could be.

Secondly, your whole argument reads like you're just expecting the worst out of him. I think it was pretty stupid generally, but I don't see this as sexist at all. Just some guy who's super awkward. I mean, let's face it, we live in a society where everyone is judged based on their looks. Anyone who acts like they don't do it is lying to themselves.

Does that make all of those presumptions misogynist? No. There's a difference between assuming a girl isn't a gamer because of the way she looks and outright contempt for women (which is what misogyny actually is). Also this nonsense about not being a woman. I can pose the exact same argument to the legions of male members of this forum and other message boards that are more militant feminists than most women (not that it's a bad thing). It works both ways. What's that got to do with anything? Does that somehow invalidate what I'm saying? Are all of the white people who crow foul of real racism irrelevant because they're not asian, black or hispanic?
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1. Men do not face active judgment and questioning and confrontation over their gamer status. Women are so often targeted by this, so much so that they do receive significant harassment in a lot of areas, such as in games stores. They can't be gamers, they have to be girlfriends being dragged there!

2. I'm telling you how annoying it is for men to tell women that they are doing feminism wrong or hurting the message of feminism, especially when it's usually men saying that. As for your comment on white people, yes, it is annoying when white people lecture non-white people on racism, because it is usually telling people who likely have been the subject of racism "this isn't real racism, why are you talking about this?" as if to suggest that the white person understands what "real racism" is better than non-white people.
 
A Link to the Past said:
1. Men do not face active judgment and questioning and confrontation over their gamer status. Women are so often targeted by this, so much so that they do receive significant harassment in a lot of areas, such as in games stores. They can't be gamers, they have to be girlfriends being dragged there!

2. I'm telling you how annoying it is for men to tell women that they are doing feminism wrong or hurting the message of feminism, especially when it's usually men saying that. As for your comment on white people, yes, it is annoying when white people lecture non-white people on racism, because it is usually telling people who likely have been the subject of racism "this isn't real racism, why are you talking about this?" as if to suggest that the white person understands what "real racism" is better than non-white people.
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this isn't at a gamer store or an internet forum, this is in the real world. and in the real world women play video games. they don't face "active judgment and questioning". like, what the fuck. don't push your primarily internet forum propagated misinformed stereotypes onto the masses. in the real world, most of the people you'd be surprised to see playing games are old men or women, or blue-collar workers. women play fuck tons of video games, and they have for a long, long time. it isn't a surprise to see a women playing a video game. jaws don't drop when you see a women playing a video game. and what happens in a game store is likely a relic of nerd culture. this guy in the video perpetuated those relics and looked like an idiot doing it, for good reason
 
Aren t you all a bit too hard ?
Looks and sounds like he s intentionally fooling around. He even laughs at the end at how pityful his lines are.
 
Darryl said:
this isn't at a gamer store or an internet forum, this is in the real world. and in the real world women play video games. they don't face "active judgment and questioning". like, what the fuck. don't push your primarily internet forum propagated misinformed stereotypes onto the masses. in the real world, most of the people you'd be surprised to see playing games are old men or women, or blue-collar workers. women play fuck tons of video games, and they have for a long, long time. it isn't a surprise to see a women playing a video game. jaws don't drop when you see a women playing a video game. and what happens in a game store is likely a relic of nerd culture. this guy in the video perpetuated those relics and looked like an idiot doing it, for good reason
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The real world? The guy was doing a Twitch stream and trying to find women. C'mon.
 
I feel the real cringe is the fact people watch randoms (in this case cringy randoms) on the internet who stream themselves playing Pokemon Go.

But that's not to say this guy isn't cringy as well. This is the sort of thing that draws Twitch viewers these days, sadly enough.
 
I remember when me and anyone I knew who played games was a loser.

Crawling in my skin. These wounds / they will not heal

That said don't fucking harass people Jesus Christ.
 
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