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Street Fighter X Tekken: Full Standard and Pre-Order Gems breakdown
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Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I also actually like this idea, so I'm going to run with it and give it a fair shake. But I agree it's still a problem for offline versus play in terms of time factor if they don't up their game. The Japanese teams (for Capcom at least) are stubborn about not streamlining interfaces. They just won't put select screen button check in. They COULD make some kind of select screen gem check screen, because to be fair, once you know your preferred gems, it can't take THAT long to select them.
This game cries out more than any other for a virtual player card system that saves your prefs and you can save on a USB stick to plug in when you sit down at the console. If they'd just take that one little leap in design...
zerokoolpsx
Member
Capcom should have went ALL OUT and put in pre-order dlc runes, and tack on a mastery page as well. Anyway, kinda lost on the gems too.
IronLich
Member
At the very least, I do like the idea that all gems are numbered. It makes it much simpler to roll through the index, and find numbers, rather then search for conditions and activations.
Well, the problem is that fighting game fundamentals are still fighting game fundamentals.
As powerful as MVC3 assists are, the top players would annihilate 99% of the people watching on the stream without having to call any.
Gems, *in theory* could lead to a pokemon collect them all frenzy to give casuals something else to do rather then getting destroyed...however it's DLC(not anything you have to work for) and kind of unfun since it needs to be balanced(wooo! 20% defense boost).
While I know some in the community would complain; it would be nice if the gems were wrapped around a great singleplayer idea. Or if it was implemented like the way Heroes and Heralds looks like it will be where the powerups are awarded by your performance (which would still be crappy for casuals initially, but at least it gives them a herring to shoot for and eventually cards would hopefully trickle down to their level with good matchmaking)
What we have left imho isn't unbalanced, but just like what other people have said...confusing
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
This looks familiar....
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
When a sucky player get's a 20% damage boost if they hit you, for a window of 10 seconds, in a slow-ish paced game where it is easier to not get opened up, is going to put them over the top to beating you?
Ban x-factor yo.
Ban x-factor yo.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
If they want to appeal to casuals I don't know why the fuck they'd make easy special inputs a gem with a specific target for activation as opposed to an option in the menu screen.
Especially after MvC3's simple mode was actually a success (I've seen it help a lot for little kids playing.)
APZonerunner
Member
Killian said they were looking at a reserve unit style thing for gems that you could take with you to tourneys (perhaps a USB key or something?)
http://www.thegamingvault.com/2011/11/interview-with-capcom-community-manager-seth-killian/
It's hilarious that most of those pictures are of people playing Melee.
It took the Brawl community an extremely long time to come up with the Unity ruleset, far longer than it took the Melee community to settle the east vs. west debate. There is a fair number of people still playing Brawl but the Melee scene -- of which I am still a part -- is debatably more active and interesting. Brawl is also the only fighting game that I can think of where, for a significant period of time, player-modified versions of the game were used instead of vanilla. It is not exactly a shining example of a competitive scene.
Professor Beef
Banned
Capcom...*sigh*
Really?
Really?
For once in my life I can finally say that I will officially be waiting for a revision, patch, or price drop. I was getting more and more excited for this game until we started hearing about gems. The only way I would even consider buying this day one is if there was a way to turn off gems in online lobbies. I don't want to use them, and I don't want to fight people that use them.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
All I can do is look at the OP and wonder "Who asked for this?"
I don't want to admit it but I am the same way.
But as for SFxT, no sir, I dont like it.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Comparing this stuff to things like CvS2 grooves is a joke, anyway.
Groove selection involved meaningful and fundamental strategic choices: do I want to be able to air block or parry? Dash or run? Which subsystems are more important to me: dodge rolls, alpha counters, just defense, etc?
Most of what I see in the OP are mundane number value tweaks. That's why Keits said this looks like a lot of effort and complication for something that has "basically no effect."
Groove selection involved meaningful and fundamental strategic choices: do I want to be able to air block or parry? Dash or run? Which subsystems are more important to me: dodge rolls, alpha counters, just defense, etc?
Most of what I see in the OP are mundane number value tweaks. That's why Keits said this looks like a lot of effort and complication for something that has "basically no effect."
Slamtastic
Member
Like I said, I'd be down for a more meaningful form of customization, where your actual move/system abilities are chosen by you, so it actually comes down to personal preference with playstyle.
Stat boosts are boring.
Stat boosts are boring.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
A reason I think the gem system wasn't devised as DLC originally. Also, I kind of suspect the special edition is someone's hack to ALMOST neuter the gems being DLC - it's basically $10 more than the regular game, but you get ALL the gems from every pack.
a.k.a if the other gem packs are gonna be DLC later, why wouldn't you just get the SE and be done with it?
Come on man. 10 piece bucket at Popeyes is $9.99 son. Gotta make every dollar count.
ThirtyPlus
Member
Damn. Way to spit in the tournament scene's face, Capcom.
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Parallax Scroll
Banned
better order it from all 3 retailers just to be safe
DR2K
Banned
Make sure it's the collectors edition or Capcom won't make Street Fighter anymore.
Gokurakumaru
Banned
So another Capcom game I will be boycotting then. First both versions of MvC3 and now this.
smh
smh
Flying Wonkey
Member
Always fun to see a guy toss a bear's salad.
www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/...ition_to_remove_Kumas_fart_move_from_SF_vs_TK
SolarPowered
Member
Blammo.
Professor Beef
Banned
Why wouldn't he?
But Guile is in the military and SF is in the early 90's. Don't tell me DADT was repealed in SF vs TK and that's what Guile is fighting for: His right to eat bear ass.
Seriously though: They need to make that at least not clip to where it looks dirty and completely different from what they're wanting it to be. Oh Japan~
CountAntonius
Member
I think once they see mostly all tournaments will run without gems they will release a no gems mode for online and local play. Capcom has been pretty good about adding features people wanted ...eventually.
Right off the bat I do feel they want the community to try and embrace gems(because there is obviously money in it). But when they see them universally rejected by tournaments I'm hoping they come around and add a barebones okay list.
They really should have just went the way UMvC3 went with heroes and heralds mode. Gems seem like they could be a fun and addictive diversion but it needs to be optional. Why not just make everyone happy.
Right off the bat I do feel they want the community to try and embrace gems(because there is obviously money in it). But when they see them universally rejected by tournaments I'm hoping they come around and add a barebones okay list.
They really should have just went the way UMvC3 went with heroes and heralds mode. Gems seem like they could be a fun and addictive diversion but it needs to be optional. Why not just make everyone happy.
sixteen-bit
Member
Ultimate SF x Tekken.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Dohoho but upon closer inspection, a lot of those "really good gems" take up multiple slots.
SolarPowered
Member
I like the super. It added a funnier tone to the game that made it look really enjoyable until Capcom took a shit all over it with gems.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Fart super is even more offensive to my sensibilities than Skullgirls.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Guile misses Charlie.