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Street Fighter X Tekken: No disc based updates

SolarPowered said:
Not everyone on GAF is a hardcore gamer. There are probably tons of casual fighting game fans that only buy something if they really like it and I can imagine that a lot of folks feel(subjective stuff here) burnt after the whole MvC3 thing.
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I'm a casual fighting fan. I was happy MvC3 was going to have character DLC because then I could just buy the characters I wanted. And then the only 2 DLCs were characters on the disk (maybe I'm wrong about that) and they're releasing a sequel IN THE SAME YEAR THE GAME CAME OUT. That's why I'm mad. I was going to spend maybe $20 on DLC. Now Capcom is getting $0 from me.
 
SolarPowered said:
Not everyone on GAF is a hardcore gamer. There are probably tons of casual fighting game fans that only buy something if they really like it and I can imagine that a lot of folks feel(subjective stuff here) burnt after the whole MvC3 thing.

Have you christened the UMvC3 thread yet? Folks were asking if you would drop by haha.
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If that's the case, then I don't see how waiting for the Super version of a Capcom fighter needs to be stated since this is Capcom and fighters, afterall.

Just seems like people want to complain just to complain.
 
Billychu said:
I'm a casual fighting fan. I was happy MvC3 was going to have character DLC because then I could just buy the characters I wanted. And then the only 2 DLCs were characters on the disk (maybe I'm wrong about that) and they're releasing a sequel IN THE SAME YEAR THE GAME CAME OUT. That's why I'm mad. I was going to spend maybe $20 on DLC. Now Capcom is getting $0 from me.
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Yeah, it sucks if you were hoping for DLC. The wait in the main thread was pretty grueling. You've got the right approach if you don't want to deal with their silliness though.

It is a shame, but there are other fighters out there that look like fun.
Skilletor said:
Just seems like people want to complain just to complain.
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Well... Capcom gives people a lot of ammo. It is what it is, I guess.
 
Probably not.

If they want to release another updated version of the game via retail, they will. What they say pre-release means nothing IMO.
 
I bought SF4 and SSF4 with no qualms.

Didn't buy MvC3 as I knew MvC3 would get an upgrade and I didn't like the series enough to buy the 1st.

I''ll be buying SF V Tekken though!
 
_dementia said:
$60 - $25 + $15 = $50
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After the initial purchase of course....which I did get quite a a bit of use out of.

I guess this stuff doesn't bother much because of how much time I get out of Capcom fighters. I would obviously prefer the all DLC route but if it isn't I don't ever feel ripped off after sinking a few hundred hours into a game.
 
So Capcom basically confirms they will release at least 2 retail only updated versions of the game, in addition to DLC that is already included in the disc.
 
It's not like they would admit they're going to do it. I firmly believe we'll see a super sf x tekken in time for christmas 2012.
 
LiK said:
read this: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/a-gem...kken-announcement-draws-predictable-ire/3781/
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I think this part of the article sums the whole thing up nicely :-


"The problem with systems like Gems in Street Fighter x Tekken is that they tend to achieve the opposite affects that designers are seeking," he said, "As they tend to overly complicate the process of punching another dude in the face. While it's not a genuine comeback mechanic, we've seen this situation before with Ultra Combos (Street Fighter IV) and X-Factor (Marvel vs Capcom 3), where a new gameplay system is introduced with the intent of making the game more accessible to newer or lesser skilled players, but really all it does is reset the gap on a larger scale and the rich tend to get richer."

"Gameplay mechanics like Gems are a lot like giving a civilian a sniper rifle," he added. "Yeah, they might shoot someone's eye out but they lack the tools to maximize its potential. Put it in the hand of a trained soldier, however, and the damage that weapon can inflict is far more significant. So while you can argue that a Gem like auto-block or some sort of massive power buff may make things easier for a new player to mount a convincing offensive; just imagine when you give those same tools to the likes of Justin Wong or Daigo Umehara."
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What id add to like to add to that when you have two players of equal skills, things like gems lead to wins based on randomness, not who played/read the opponent better.

The whole thing just becomes pointless.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
I think this part of the article sums the whole thing up nicely :-




What id add to like to add to that when you have two players of equal skills, things like gems lead to wins based on randomness, not who played/read the opponent better.

The whole thing just becomes pointless.
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Gems don't activate randomly. That would be like calling Xfactor random.
 
My problem with gems is their distribution. Had they said "these are the gems in the game and that's all there is gonna be" I would have believed that they were more serious about them being a vital part of the game's strategy. How it's being done instead (LE/Pre Order exclusives, DLC) Makes me think it was shoehorned to add more dlc revenue.

Why couldn't they just make gems like "Hats" like in TF2. Skin colors, shoryuken colors, costume pieces etc. That way they can just be completely ignored.

I know a lot of people complained about costume DLC for IV but I was fine with it cause it was all just vanity Item's nobody really needed. This is something else all together. Wen you start putting a price on the games balance it's very worrisome.
 
Gez said:
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It's Crapcom x Scamco, of course a Super version is coming out.
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Super Street Fighter X Tekken: Arcade Edition is already on the disc, you just need to buy a $30 key to unlock it.
 
I don't see what so unbelievable about the no disc statement. They'll just sell a bunch of DLC that you'll need to buy to keep up with the community. So they'll get your money anyway.
 
yeah no disc based updates because the disc based update will be called sf x tekken 2 so its a WHOLE NEW GAME but not really
ArjanN said:
I don't see what so unbelievable about the no disc statement. They'll just sell a bunch of DLC that you'll need to buy to keep up with the community. So they'll get your money anyway.
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a bunch of dlc that won't work on sf x tekken 2 so that they can resell it all over again
 
polyh3dron said:
yeah no disc based updates because the disc based update will be called sf x tekken 2 so its a WHOLE NEW GAME but not really
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Seems like a really really easy way to devalue a series/franchise quickly. The magic in the numbered releases that it tells people they are in for a major overhaul. Messing with the traditional numbered titles is probably the worst possible thing they could do besides DLC stat upgrades(Worst case scenario for gems) for fighters.

They'll stick to the whole AE/Ultimate/Super styled upgrades. The key to strong sales lies in characters, features, balance and mechanics. Most people feel they are only hitting 2/4 right now. Their balance is out of whack and the mechanics are kinda stale in my own opinion(opinion, not stating fact).
 
Ok, great. Everyone just stop buying 2D fighting games from Capcom, because that will make things better. Then we can all go back to playing the same game for five or ten years because no one else will be making any 2D fighting games worth a damn. Capcom needs to make money, (apparently a lot of money) on their fighters, or they just won't produce them anymore. Is that what everyone wants? We can go back to the good ol' days of maybe having one good Mortal Kombat game per decade, and hope that ASW doesn't go out of business. If you want new 2D fighters to play, then you need to support the few companies that are still making them.
 
wastedyears said:
Ok, great. Everyone just stop buying 2D fighting games from Capcom, because that will make things better. Then we can all go back to playing the same game for five or ten years because no one else will be making any 2D fighting games worth a damn. Capcom needs to make money, (apparently a lot of money) on their fighters, or they just won't produce them anymore. Is that what everyone wants? We can go back to the good ol' days of maybe having one good Mortal Kombat game per decade, and hope that ASW doesn't go out of business. If you want new 2D fighters to play, then you need to support the few companies that are still making them.
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WHOOSH goes the point over your head of people bitching and you having to white knight this business practice.

Protip: It's 2011. Not 1990. Since it's 2011, we have consoles that are able to download patches and additional content if hooks are placed in the engine for them. There is NO EXCUSE for Capcom not having hooks in place for Marvel vs Capcom 3. NONE. And the slap in the face to buyers that paid $60 day one in hope of having DLC and patch/revision hooks put in the game stings.

It's not 2000 anymore: There is no reason to buy into the "we need to print another copy of the game because we can't push the changes to your copy, sorry" spiel anymore.

Just like I'm going to skip on Blazblue: Continuum Shift Plus because Arc System Works is back pedaling because they saw the money Capcom's set to make with UAvB3:Fate of Rebuying the same goddamn game nine months later with Specatator mode that should've been there day one, I can live without having Carl Clover's dad being a fighter in BB. Just like I can survive without Marvel 3. I lose Nemesis and Phoenix, but I already have Chris/Jill (LOL DLC)/Wesker teams that I wanted since Marvel 2, so frankly I can avoid the re-release with no issues.
 
wastedyears said:
Ok, great. Everyone just stop buying 2D fighting games from Capcom, because that will make things better. Then we can all go back to playing the same game for five or ten years because no one else will be making any 2D fighting games worth a damn. Capcom needs to make money, (apparently a lot of money) on their fighters, or they just won't produce them anymore. Is that what everyone wants? We can go back to the good ol' days of maybe having one good Mortal Kombat game per decade, and hope that ASW doesn't go out of business. If you want new 2D fighters to play, then you need to support the few companies that are still making them.
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I don't owe capcom anything. If they're not giving me what I want, why should I give them money for it?
 
They can rerelease MVC3 as many times as they want, if it means I get a better game each time then hey go nuts. I'll buy them all. It is kind of ridiculous that they've made the 'no more revisions' promise in the past and broken it, but if you ask me if I'd prefer 4 characters for 15 bucks or 12 + spectator mode etc for 40, I'll take the latter.

For a game that I'm not all that interested in like SF x Tekken though, yeah I'm cautious. I avoided the last release of Blazblue because I didn't want to have to pay for the game, then like 8 bucks a DLC character, only to see them put out another version (which they are, now).
 
If we decide to create a new version of the game, we will go with the Street Fighter IV series route, by providing online update patches for the game.
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what the fuck is this shit

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Providing a disc-based update after the DLC has been out a while (like with the GOTY additions for other games) would be fine.
 
So.. Gem Thread Part IV go?

But, if I am making the correct assumptions, wasn't this always going to have DLC-only updates because its a single game/release deal with Namco?
 
If we decide to create a new version of the game, we will go with the Street Fighter IV series route
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hahaha

Can't believe you guys can take seriously any comment from Capcom ( especially Ono or Nitsuma )
 
I'm hype for this game, Capcom, but not even I believe you're going to just make the one retail copy of a crossover game, and be done with it. Unless there's some big IP scrutiny that says you can't.

yet I'd still be totally fine if the update adds characters I like
 
Still shaking my head when I see that SF4 quote

They never should've mentioned that game (the series, at that) and tried to prove that customers "don't really need to worry" in the same paragraph

And then they specifically mention AE, which got a disc version that was obviously a cheaper deal to start with than SSF4+DLC. Lol we troll hard
 
wastedyears said:
Ok, great. Everyone just stop buying 2D fighting games from Capcom, because that will make things better. Then we can all go back to playing the same game for five or ten years because no one else will be making any 2D fighting games worth a damn. Capcom needs to make money, (apparently a lot of money) on their fighters, or they just won't produce them anymore. Is that what everyone wants? We can go back to the good ol' days of maybe having one good Mortal Kombat game per decade, and hope that ASW doesn't go out of business. If you want new 2D fighters to play, then you need to support the few companies that are still making them.
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Last time I checked, my wallet is not owned by Capcom. It says "Steam Sales/Blizzard." IF this is all fighters can muster, retreading the same methods it did in the past, then perhaps another 10 years without fighters is what we need. The industry will not even blink an eye at it. Only Capcom will suffer. Since fighters are the only thing Capcom has left that is of any interest to fans (after fucking up it's IPs, Megaman and god knows what else), it would behoove Capcom to step its game up.
 
wastedyears said:
Ok, great. Everyone just stop buying 2D fighting games from Capcom, because that will make things better. Then we can all go back to playing the same game for five or ten years because no one else will be making any 2D fighting games worth a damn. Capcom needs to make money, (apparently a lot of money) on their fighters, or they just won't produce them anymore. Is that what everyone wants? We can go back to the good ol' days of maybe having one good Mortal Kombat game per decade, and hope that ASW doesn't go out of business. If you want new 2D fighters to play, then you need to support the few companies that are still making them.
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I can give other, better companies money for their fighters instead.

I am passing on UMVC3. I am spending that money on KOF instead. Even after KOFXII, I'd trust SNK to make a good game before I'd trust Capcom. That's how bad Capcom's 2011 has been.

If Capcom quits making fighters it opens the door for someone new.
 
Brera said:
I bought SF4 and SSF4 with no qualms.

Didn't buy MvC3 as I knew MvC3 would get an upgrade and I didn't like the series enough to buy the 1st.

I''ll be buying SF V Tekken though!
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Are you ...me ?

I guess it depends on the feelign you have toward a game ( to motivate your purchase )
 
R_thanatos said:
I guess it depends on the feelign you have toward a game ( to motivate your purchase )
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Exactly. I had no problems upgrading to SSFIV because it had more ultras and a lot of my favorite characters were added. AE I didn't care for because the characters didn't interest me and none of the Super cast got major changes besides balancing. I'll buy SF×T if it gets my favorite characters and if not, I'll wait for the next version or until character DLC is confirmed.
 
alstein said:
I can give other, better companies money for their fighters instead.

I am passing on UMVC3. I am spending that money on KOF instead. Even after KOFXII, I'd trust SNK to make a good game before I'd trust Capcom. That's how bad Capcom's 2011 has been.

If Capcom quits making fighters it opens the door for someone new.
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In essence, ^this^.

But in short, it needs to emphasized again and again: Capcom's definitely not the only "game" in town. We got Namco, ASW, Sega, SNK, Tecmo, the Skullgirls crew and so many others coming out with other feasible options this year and the next, that I think it's sad that many people still overlook all that.

If you really aren't pleased with Capcom's way of doing business, by all means! Vote with your wallet and support somebody else. Otherwise, you really don't have a right to complain, if you're just going to give Capcom your cash, anyway...
 
Eh, Its just PR speak, the guy is just doing his job.

If the game is successful, there will be more, easy as that. I just hope the UI isnt a dysfunctional mess like the MvC3 one.
 
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