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Study links low bacteria levels in circumcised men with HIV resistance

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when you're uncut in the shower, you can pull your foreskin to catch water inside and then pinch it shut, so the tip of your penis is a water balloon. it's just the greatest thing.
 
The study is a joke, it doesn't actually look at HIV rates.

They've learned:

1) Circumcision may reduce the amount of some kinds of bacteria, which may reduce inflammation, which may reduce the chance of contracting HIV during unprotected sex.
2) Circumcision may increase the amount of some other kinds of bacteria...

I don't have access to the original paper, so I don't even know if they controlled for hygiene, risk profiles, etc.

depths20XX said:
See, this is the type of thing I'll never get to experience. why why why
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In the shower, I like to hold it closed, then piss, and watch it inflate. Then I let go and it's a big ol' splash of piss.
 
I can't help but imagine that those who try and pass off dick cheese or smegma as a reason being uncut is bad simply don't shower.
 
And here I was thinking I'd never get AIDS, never mind ay.

Mudkips said:
In the shower, I like to hold it closed, then piss, and watch it inflate. Then I let go and it's a big ol' splash of piss.
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This is how I'll contract AIDS I knew it was wrong but I needed something to do to pass the time.

Edit: HIV whatever, neither of them are on my xmas list.
 
Soriku said:
+Lower risk of HIV
+No dick cheese
+Looks better

#TeamCutWinsAgain
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*high five*


Mama Robotnik said:
"What if when the baby grows up, he wishes that his genitals had not been permanently optionally surgically altered at a young age? "

I've asked time and again in previous threads, and never received a response.
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I imagine it comes up alot, my gf and I had a conversation about this recently.
We still didn't come to an agreeable circumstance
 
railGUN said:
Does that often come up in conversation?
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Lol, ok that was funny.

Funny related story: I knew a lady who did a survey when she was pregnant with her son and asked a bunch of strangers whether they were cut or uncut and if they had ever regretted their parents doing it to them, and she got a near-unanimous response for pro-cut.

And gifs like the one above are the reason why I love gaf.
 
An uncut penis looks like a turtle protruding it's head out of its shell
 
Mudkips said:
The study is a joke, it doesn't actually look at HIV rates.

They've learned:

1) Circumcision may reduce the amount of some kinds of bacteria, which may reduce inflammation, which may reduce the chance of contracting HIV during unprotected sex.
2) Circumcision may increase the amount of some other kinds of bacteria...

I don't have access to the original paper, so I don't even know if they controlled for hygiene, risk profiles, etc.
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You misread it. The study never intended to look at HIV, it was just a relation that was established after they'd researched the levels of bacteria.

Previous studies have shown that circumcision decrease chances of contracting HIV by 60%, but weren't able to provide conclusive evidence to explain it. This study is just relating their result to those studies as a potential explanation.

In other words, circumcision has already been shown to decrease chances of contracting HIV, they're just not sure why that is.
 
There has been a number of studies for years now on this. It was even proposed that men in Africa should be circumcised to help prevent the spread of HIV.
 
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There may be some benefits to circumcision, strong enough to outweigh the downsides (medical short/long-term complications), but it is marginal at best - and does not outweigh bodily freedom to chose a circumcision for oneself.
I don't think banning the practice would work, as those that do it for cultural reasons would take it elsewhere (to unskilled butchers and such, for an example), but doctors should be legally obliged to strongly dissuade parents who want their child circumcised.
 
Cut or uncut, you guys are way too fixated on other dude's junk. Why not just let it ride with what you have? In the end you'll be the one making most use of it anyway.
 
Mama Robotnik said:
"What if when the baby grows up, he wishes that his genitals had not been permanently optionally surgically altered at a young age? "

I've asked time and again in previous threads, and never received a response.
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We have billions of plastic surgeons, I'm sure at least one out there can graft you some foreskin if you wanted it.
 
So we have less risk of contracting hiv and other infections, dont have to worry about garbage lining up on our dicks and it looks better, girls love the look of it.

Team cut number 1 as always.

You dont need religion or science to tell u

cut dicks>uncut dicks
 
Re: Looks, I remember watching some interracial porn with a guy who was uncut. While his BBC grew in size appropriately, you could tell his foreskin was under an immense strain and basically wanted no part of it. Watching the skin slowly and awkwardly roll back over his large head was just not doing it for me, and you could tell the woman was disinterested as well. It just took too long and killed the scene.

Compare this to a scene with Mr Marcus or Lex and how quickly they can get ready, I think the pros in circumcision are obvious.
 
macuser1of5 said:
Re: Looks, I remember watching some interracial porn with a guy who was uncut. While his BBC grew in size appropriately, you could tell his foreskin was under an immense strain and basically wanted no part of it. Watching the skin slowly and awkwardly roll back over his large head was just not doing it for me, and you could tell the woman was disinterested as well. It just took too long and killed the scene.

Compare this to a scene with Mr Marcus or Lex and how quickly they can get ready, I think the pros in circumcision are obvious.
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Eagerly awaiting PD's follow up.
 
macuser1of5 said:
While his BBC grew in size appropriately, you could tell his foreskin was under an immense strain and basically wanted no part of it. Watching the skin slowly and awkwardly roll back over his large head was just not doing it for me, and you could tell the woman was disinterested as well. It just took too long and killed the scene.
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His foreskin ain't got no business being that strained. Ugh I have seen some vids where that stuff looks painful. That is another subject though.
 
I remember being very surprised that circumcision wasn't just the done thing. I figured at a certain age it must just "pop out" and become normal.

Always something to learn.

Hard to argue that people should not have the right to choose, but I'm very glad I had it done.
 
Soriku said:
+Lower risk of HIV
+No dick cheese
+Looks better

#TeamCutWinsAgain
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LOL, Science! only justifies one of those three. You have like barely any argument at all besides all the proven health benefits.

thelatestmodel said:
+ Feels better

Team Uncut wins on that point alone.

Also, you don't get dick cheese if you just shower every morning.
edit... and, AND, masturbation is a piece of cake. No lube required.
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That point has as much anectodal evidence against it as it does for it.

Evan (I've used first names when given permission to do so) said that he started having sex using a condom over his foreskin and "felt very little." When he left condoms behind, he found sex painful. Three weeks after being circumcised, he had sex again. "It was like a revelation," he wrote. Similarly, Neville called his elective snip at 40 "the best thing that ever happened to me." He'd fulfilled a lifetime wish: "I always wanted to be circumcised and envied many of my friends at birth." Another man gave himself a circumcision for his 52nd birthday. "Even though I had a fairly normal foreskin, it was just a nuisance," he wrote. "With a circumcised penis I get more feeling/sensation." Daniel got snipped as a college sophomore to combat recurrent genital warts and premature ejaculation. "You can imagine my relief when I found that sex could last much longer," he wrote.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2006/02/or_not_to_snip.html

Some men say they have less sensation, some say more, and most say no change at all.
 
toddhunter said:
I remember being very surprised that circumcision wasn't just the done thing. I figured at a certain age it must just "pop out" and become normal.
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It took me a long time as a young one to even understand what circumcision was and whether I was or not. It's not exactly something you feel like going to your parents and asking about. "Yeah we chopped your foreskin off for you son"
 
dutchguyjack said:
You misread it. The study never intended to look at HIV, it was just a relation that was established after they'd researched the levels of bacteria.

Previous studies have shown that circumcision decrease chances of contracting HIV by 60%, but weren't able to provide conclusive evidence to explain it. This study is just relating their result to those studies as a potential explanation.

In other words, circumcision has already been shown to decrease chances of contracting HIV, they're just not sure why that is.
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It's a joke because it does absolutely nothing to study the thing they want to explain (HIV rates). They're finding a link to 3 levels of maybes.

And circumcision absolutely has not been shown to decrease transmission rates of HIV. To say that you need to define a causal relationship. It has only been shown that some populations have lower HIV rates for circumcised men vs. uncircumcised men. WHY the difference is there is the question. They've guessed at everything micro tears in the foreskin to shit getting trapped in the foreskin and resulting in a longer exposure time to now bacteria causing inflammation. The most likely reason is simply that circumcised men have a lower risk profile due to their behaviors due to the selection bias of circumcision being seen as the "healthy" thing to do by parents.

Of course, nobody has done an actual direct study on the matter. Take HIV negative circumcised and uncircumcised men and watch them have sex with HIV positive women for x length for y sessions and see if there's a difference in transmission rates over the course of a year.
 
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