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[Sàmban]

Diversity for what purpose? They should hire whoever is most qualified to do the job, no matter what race, gender, creed, sexual orientation etc.

The issue is that today businesses want to be diverse for diversity sake -- as in, they don't want to be painted as racists because most of their team are white males. That is ridiculous. If there aren't enough women engineers at your studio, that is a question for the sociologists and philosophers not your HR department.

I do see Unknown Worlds point that by having a prominent critic in the media of certain beliefs (say, Islam) they could be closing doors of competent, exceptional potential employees that happen to be followers of Islam who may now see Unknown Worlds as a hostile environment for them. That's normal for businesses these days, but I think is problematic. If Chylinski is using the workplace (and I mean the actual workplace, not Twitter or personal social media accounts) as a podium or forum to discuss political beliefs, then that is unacceptable. But it is part of life to have your own views and be able to work with others with different views. A Muslim should not be turned off from working at a company because there are non-Muslims, or people there who are critical of Islam. For one, just because that person may be critical of your beliefs does not mean he may be someone problematic to work with in a professional, workplace environment. One may assume he may show bias against you, but we have to give people the benefit of the doubt. To suggest that a Muslim can't work in a workplace because there are individuals there who have private views that are opposite to their own is an insult to that Muslim. People do that everyday already. How many Christians have to work in a workplace with atheists? Or blacks in workplace with predominantly white people?

TL;DR - It still appears that Chylinski was fired because of his personal views expressed outside the company was making a segment of people online uncomfortable. In an ideal world, people would be able to express their opinions openly and not fear that someone will alert their employer. "I don't agree with that person's opinion on an issue they expressed outside the workplace that has nothing to do with the workplace" is NOT a justification to be fired, in my opinion. BUT, in a capitalistic system the company is there to make money. Anything to cause negative light on the company that could make it difficult to make money is a problem. Under that premise, I can understand why they fired him and why employees should not speak openly about their views in a public forum. And that is why this issue is an issue in the first place.

Actually, I would argue that the problem here is that people still think of social media as "outside the workplace" and "it has nothing to do with the workplace." THAT is the problem. People have not made the switch to thinking that social media essentially makes the world a giant "workplace" in some sense. Anything you put on there can be seen by anyone, including the people you work or do business with. You may only have a bunch of white dudes at your job, but what if you want to do business with someone who isn't? Because of social media, the non-white person now has doubts about you and your business and may choose to go somewhere else.

Congrats, you just lost money because John Dumbass couldn't resist posting his hot-take on where women truly belong in the workplace. We keep acting like this is some Einstein-level rocket science when this problem is quite easily solved:

1. Don't be a bigot (ideal)
2. If you can't not be a bigot, keep your bigoted shit to yourself and don't put it on social media

For some GODDAMN reason, certain people have real trouble not being stupid and instead want to cry "muh freeduhms" because they got fired. No. Shut the fuck up.

 

[PtM]

Nice projection there, does it come in Mens?

I don't get it.

 

[Sàmban]

These people are still verrified and have their job as a journalists of teenvogue. Even after some shitstorm and her deleting the tweets because after defending this the got again barraged with people criticizing her.

This is the hypocrisy I am against.

Yes, this is bullshit. But Teenvogue has every right to do whatever they want with her in terms of her job. They didn't fire her. In return, you can stop buying Teenvogue magazines.
If you want to argue hypocrisy from "the left" in this case, that is quite obviously beyond reasonable. But if she were to get fired for saying this, and someone from "the left" cried "freeduhms of speeech" then that would ALSO be bullshit.

 

[Lionel Richie]

lol "a joke"..." a bit insensitive"

The company is free to fire him or retain him based on what he said. In this case, they choose to fire him. It is their right. Whether you think this is fair or not does not fucking matter. You want to keep your job? Stop posting racist/sexist shit on social media where everyone can see it. It literally carries the same weight as saying that shit at work: everyone has access to social media and you probably work/do business with the very people that you are hating on. This. Affects. Business. I mean, how in the fuck is this not common sense in 2018? Stop posting dumb shit on social media. The end.

The first time I posted on this thread, I said that he should have seen it coming. He took the risk that he could get fired over what he tweeted. As such, yes, I do agree that the company is free to do just that. However, what I think is bad is that it essentially outcasts him and there's no process of learning here. When you're free to speak your mind, you absolutely take the risk of being wrong, which it's completely understandable if someone thinks he was wrong here. The problem is when you start doxing "bigots" and getting them fired, there's no possibility of being wrong, being wrong now means a punishment much more severe than it should be. It turns into an "or else..." scenario. Don't say anything we disagree, or else...

To me that kind of culture is worse than any helicopter jokes. You might think otherwise. Look how beautiful it is when we can disagree with something and neither of us are going to lose our completely unrelated jobs over it.

Dude "It was just a joke" argument is preschool level defences of doing something shitty. What he said was on a public platform and it was also directly linked to his job and he expected no blow back at all from anyone? The only reason why he would say the shit he said was to intentionally rile up others and we are the stage now where we all know that what we say on public apps like twitter will get the attention of your employees so there's no excuse to not to be professional and again his tweets were directly involving the game and therefore his employers and if nothing was done then it would give the appearance of them being fine with those views as a company.People are tired of ass hats being sexists and racists on twitter and putting their hands going "But what did I do wrong?". We live in a time where we know better and there's frankly no excuses anymore. If you want to make a sexist joke how about not making it on a platform that is viewed by billions.

Your example with the physical violence is nonsensical by the way.

I'm not defending him, he's a grown man, he doesn't need me or anyone to defend him. I am defending the idea that you shouldn't be doxed, fired and having your career suffer (which it probably will) for something you tweeted. I don't think I'm making myself clear here. Yes, the company is free to fire him. Yes, people are free to witch hunt him. Maybe he deserved, maybe he didn't, the problem is that this and other examples set out a precedent that you can't touch certain subjects unless you approach it from the direction one group desires. This is not "blow back", people aren't "criticizing" him, he lost his job. He might have a hard time finding another one because now he's "the bigot on twitter". If you think that's fine and dandy, great for you, I think it's a poor use of the information age when we have this constant paranoia over our political opinions influencing that much or professional or personal relationships.

My example is not nonsensical. It's an exaggerated response in an ideological debate, same thing that happened here.

 

[Dunki]

Yes, this is bullshit. But Teenvogue has every right to do whatever they want with her in terms of her job. They didn't fire her. In return, you can stop buying Teenvogue magazines.
If you want to argue hypocrisy from "the left" in this case, that is quite obviously beyond reasonable. But if she were to get fired for saying this, and someone from "the left" cried "freeduhms of speeech" then that would ALSO be bullshit.

No one should be fired for either of these. Espeially not because of the mobhunt online.

If even give them a warning for saying shit online done. And all these people wanted the subnautica dev fired nothing else. The company gave into some huge lynchmob. Hell I even have seen people huting someonedown because he did wear a trump hat in public. They tried to find his workplace and tried to get him fired.

 

[Sàmban]

No one should be fired for either of these. Espeially not because of the mobhunt online.

If even give them a warning for saying shit online done. And all these people wanted the subnautica dev fired nothing else. The company gave into some huge lynchmob.

That is none of your business though. Like, the company that is actually taking the hit for their employee's stupid shit decides who gets fired or not. Is not like this guy was saying dumb shit in a vacuum. He was saying all this dumb shit even when discussing his own work product, thereby involving his job/coworkers in a shitstorm they probably wanted no part of.

As a professional, I'd be fucking livid if I was working with a moron like that. This shit can affect other people too. It probably doesn't matter as much for a videogame company, but imagine no one wanting to hire you because on your resume you were a part of "that company that works with racists" or whatever. Then you have to start thinking about whether to list the job on your resume or not, how you are going to handle it if asked at an interview, etc.

This is wildly inappropriate and beyond unprofessional conduct. Especially given that, again, he said all this stuff while discussing company product.

The fuck are some of you smoking?

 

[Lionel Richie]

As a professional, I'd be fucking livid if I was working with a moron like that. This shit can affect other people too. It probably doesn't matter as much for a videogame company, but imagine no one wanting to hire you because on your resume you were a part of "that company that works with racists" or whatever. Then you have to start thinking about whether to list the job on your resume or not, how you are going to handle it if asked at an interview, etc.

Alright, then what should we do with people that think differently than we do? Should we just kill them? Because lord knows if other companies think like you (which luckily they still don't), then he's not getting another job. What should happen to him?

 

[Sàmban]

The first time I posted on this thread, I said that he should have seen it coming. He took the risk that he could get fired over what he tweeted. As such, yes, I do agree that the company is free to do just that. However, what I think is bad is that it essentially outcasts him and there's no process of learning here. When you're free to speak your mind, you absolutely take the risk of being wrong, which it's completely understandable if someone thinks he was wrong here. The problem is when you start doxing "bigots" and getting them fired, there's no possibility of being wrong, being wrong now means a punishment much more severe than it should be. It turns into an "or else..." scenario. Don't say anything we disagree, or else...

To me that kind of culture is worse than any helicopter jokes. You might think otherwise. Look how beautiful it is when we can disagree with something and neither of us are going to lose our completely unrelated jobs over it.



I'm not defending him, he's a grown man, he doesn't need me or anyone to defend him. I am defending the idea that you shouldn't be doxed, fired and having your career suffer (which it probably will) for something you tweeted. I don't think I'm making myself clear here. Yes, the company is free to fire him. Yes, people are free to witch hunt him. Maybe he deserved, maybe he didn't, the problem is that this and other examples set out a precedent that you can't touch certain subjects unless you approach it from the direction one group desires. This is not "blow back", people aren't "criticizing" him, he lost his job. He might have a hard time finding another one because now he's "the bigot on twitter". If you think that's fine and dandy, great for you, I think it's a poor use of the information age when we have this constant paranoia over our political opinions influencing that much or professional or personal relationships.

My example is not nonsensical. It's an exaggerated response in an ideological debate, same thing that happened here.

I don't think there is a problem with certain subjects being off-limits or unacceptable. In fact, we already do that. For example, no one thinks we should be debating if watching child porn is ok because it is being approached from the direction only one group desires. This is obviously a borderline strawman, but just pointing out that there is nothing wrong with the concept itself.

The argument now is this:

Is saying sexist/racist dumb shit bad enough to warrant a similar treatment? YES, IT FUCKING IS.

Society is becoming increasingly diverse and interconnected. You can't be a bigoted piece of shit and expect your company to put up with it. Keep it to yourself, or go work for breitbart or fox news or something where saying stuff like that doesn't affect the business/target demographic. This is pretty fucking logical.

Alright, then what should we do with people that think differently than we do? Should we just kill them? Because lord knows if other companies think like you (which luckily they still don't), then he's not getting another job. What should happen to him?

You are using the phrase "people that think differently" to mask the fact that he essentially got fired for being stupid. This isn't some brave fighter-pilot who got fired for conservative beliefs. People lose their jobs for doing dumb shit all the time. Stop this fucking nonsense.

What happens to him is not my problem. Maybe he can start his own studio or this might blow over and he'll land a gig somewhere in the future. Then he'd have learned a lesson and will keep his bigoted views to himself.

 

[Dunki]

I don't think there is a problem with certain subjects being off-limits or unacceptable. In fact, we already do that. For example, no one thinks we should be debating if watching child porn is ok because it is being approached from the direction only one group desires. This is obviously a borderline strawman, but just pointing out that there is nothing wrong with the concept itself.

The argument now is this:

Ss saying sexist/racist dumb shit bad enough to warrant a similar treatment? YES, IT FUCKING IS.

Society is becoming increasingly diverse and interconnected. You can't be a bigoted piece of shit and expect your company to put up with it. Keep it to yourself, or go work for breitbart or fox news or something where saying stuff like that doesn't affect the business/target demographic. This is pretty fucking logical.

Or got to teenvogue when you hate white people and men got it.

As for company enviroments it should make to rule no religion or poitical talks allowed. As for outisde you should get protected by law as long you do not openly suggest or encourage violence against people. Also I think companies should state it in their contracts with not allowing them to say something outisde. If not they should not get fired for something like that.

Again they were basically lynched by a hateful mob and the company could have not done anything else except to surender. For me they are done for since I will never support censorship but I guess thats it.

 

[KevinKeene]

Alright, then what should we do with people that think differently than we do? Should we just kill them? Because lord knows if other companies think like you (which luckily they still don't), then he's not getting another job. What should happen to him?

That's exactly what it comes down to, yet the people calling for firings refuse to think that far.

I agree that social media as is somewhat makes the work place environment all-encompassing. Which is why I'm strongly in favor of laws that protect employees from being fired for social media comments made with non-company accounts.

I've seen the internet from it's mainstream beginning and I greatly enjoyed the anonymity back then. Sure, it brings idiors with it, but it also allowed you to feel so nicely free, like having an alternate world for yourself that's detached from real life. This changed when EVERONE started spending most of rheir day online, not just nerds. Which also caused the internet to be much more tightly regulated - something I criticize.

I've often wished for an 'Internet 2.0' to be created, another internet that you can use without being watched by the authorities (lol, I had no intention to quote Person of Interest here). The dark net probably isn't that, as it's way too unsafe.

 

[Sàmban]

Or got to teenvogue when you hate white people and men got it.

As for company enviroments it should make to rule no religion or poitical talks allowed. As for outisde you should get protected by law as long you do not openly suggest or encourage violence against people. Also I think companies should state it in their contracts with not allowing them to say something outisde. If not they should not get fired for something like that.

Again they were basically lynched by a hateful mob and the company could have not done anything else except to surender. For me they are done for since I will never support censorship but I guess thats it.

I guess? I mean, I don't know much about Teenvogue but they seem like trash that attracts people that are racists/sexist based on the tweets you posted. People still work there. Just like people still work for breitbart and fox news. We are talking about two separate things here. If you have these kinds of views, breitbart is probably a place where you'd say stuff like this and not get fired. Just like the Teenvogue person said all that shit and they still kept her.

I wouldn't touch Teenvogue with a ten-foot pole based on those tweets. Doesn't change anything I'm saying itt.

 

[Sàmban]

That's exactly what it comes down to, yet the people calling for firings refuse to think that far.

I agree that social media as is somewhat makes the work place environment all-encompassing. Which is why I'm strongly in favor of laws that protect employees from being fired for social media comments made with non-company accounts.

I've seen the internet from it's mainstream beginning and I greatly enjoyed the anonymity back then. Sure, it brings idiors with it, but it also allowed you to feel so nicely free, like having an alternate world for yourself that's detached from real life. This changed when EVERONE started spending most of rheir day online, not just nerds. Which also caused the internet to be much more tightly regulated - something I criticize.

I've often wished for an 'Internet 2.0' to be created, another internet that you can use without being watched by the authorities (lol, I had no intention to quote Person of Interest here). The dark net probably isn't that, as it's way too unsafe.

What should a company do if you post racist stuff on social media, and the stuff you posted is affecting your relationships with employees and clients? Productivity goes down because no one trusts you and you have created a hostile work environment. They should keep you around because...why? Give me a good reason that isn't some appeal to emotion.

 

[KevinKeene]

What should a company do if you post racist stuff on social media, and the stuff you posted is affecting your relationships with employees and clients? Productivity goes down because no one trusts you and you have created a hostile work environment. They should keep you around because...why? Give me a good reason that isn't some appeal to emotion.

Do you do a good job? Then they should keep you. Make it clear that your company doesn't support the private ideas of each of your employees. Business is business, free time is free time. If enough companies did that, it'd be commonly accepted and we wouldn't have the current problems.

 

[Dunki]

What should a company do if you post racist stuff on social media, and the stuff you posted is affecting your relationships with employees and clients? Productivity goes down because no one trusts you and you have created a hostile work environment. They should keep you around because...why? Give me a good reason that isn't some appeal to emotion.

Ok why should they keep you around if you are muslim? These kind of argumentation does not mean anything when Social media has become the easiest and fastest way to get rid of some people you do not like. Social media has become a silencing and censoring place. Why do you think a country like Turkey fears Social media like twitter so much?

And it did not effect any employess it only did effect a social jsutice mob no one sould honestly care about. In this case there was not a reasonable voice they all wanted his head nothing else. So yes a company should protect their employess in these case.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Do you do a good job? Then they should keep you. Make it clear that your company doesn't support the private ideas of each of your employees. Business is business, free time is free time. If enough companies did that, it'd be commonly accepted and we wouldn't have the current problems.

You're missing the impact it does to your business. "Did you do a good job" ain't enough.

A forklift driver does a great job for 10 years, and then one day he fucks up and destroys a million dollars worth of inventory. He's done.

It's the same situation here but for lost reputation and internal cohesion.

People should not tie your social media to your job if your opinions are bad for company business. People haven't adapted enough to social media. I know that our job "defines us", so you gotta represent in and out.

 

[Sàmban]

Do you do a good job? Then they should keep you. Make it clear that your company doesn't support the private ideas of each of your employees. Business is business, free time is free time. If enough companies did that, it'd be commonly accepted and we wouldn't have the current problems.

You are missing the point that "do you do a good job?" involves not posting racist shit on twitter because you realize that doing so will make clients not trust you and is antithetical to creating a good working environment. People are human. When you post racist shit on twitter and you get into a conflict with an employee that happens to be a minority, people will question whether it is your beliefs driving the conflict or it is something else. This is just human nature and nothing will change that. Anything you say on social media affects you and anyone you work with because social media interconnects people. If you wouldn't say/do it at work, don't put it on social media. Keep it between your friends/family or whoever tolerates it. Or even better, stop being a bigot.

Ok why should they keep you around if you are muslim? These kind of argumentation does not mean anything when Social media has become the easiest and fastest way to get rid of some people you do not like. Social media has become a silencing and censoring place. Why do you think a country like Turkey fears Social media like twitter so much?

And it did not effect any employess it only did effect a social jsutice mob no one sould honestly care about. In this case there was not a reasonable voice they all wanted his head nothing else. So yes a company should protect their employess in these case.

This is a fucking puzzling comment Dunki. I'm not even sure what you mean by it. You're gonna have to break it down for me.

 

[Petrae]

Ok why should they keep you around if you are muslim? These kind of argumentation does not mean anything when Social media has become the easiest and fastest way to get rid of some people you do not like. Social media has become a silencing and censoring place. Why do you think a country like Turkey fears Social media like twitter so much?

And it did not effect any employess it only did effect a social jsutice mob no one sould honestly care about. In this case there was not a reasonable voice they all wanted his head nothing else. So yes a company should protect their employess in these case.

The problem is that the "mob no one should care about" also represents potential revenue, either directly or indirectly— and very few employees are worth lost revenue because of their own willful actions.

No employer really wants to protect an employee that brings bad publicity and/or lower revenue production on board. And, again, the employee willfully posted the offending thing on a public forum. The "mob" didn't do this; it simply reacted to something that the employee decided to post to millions of eyes around the world— and the more eyes you get on something, the better a chance you have at having someone react badly to it.

Times change, and so do expectations of behavior. If you can't adapt to these changes, the world becomes an exceptionally difficult place to live in.

 

[bigedole]

Ok why should they keep you around if you are muslim? These kind of argumentation does not mean anything when Social media has become the easiest and fastest way to get rid of some people you do not like. Social media has become a silencing and censoring place. Why do you think a country like Turkey fears Social media like twitter so much?

And it did not effect any employess it only did effect a social jsutice mob no one sould honestly care about. In this case there was not a reasonable voice they all wanted his head nothing else. So yes a company should protect their employess in these case.

This is a bad argument, and Samban is completely right. I work at a very large company that hires a lot of engineers from the middle-east. india and asia. I work with a lot of muslims, buddhists, atheists and christians. We're all on facebook and a lot of us are friends with one another. If a muslim started posting support for islamic jihad and hate for America, I gauruntee you there would be repercussions for them. Just as if one of the christians did the opposite. The simple fact is we no longer live in a world where a privately held view that is expressed somewhere on the internet (be it twitter, facebook, some random message board that can be linked to your real identity) is still private. You are now talking to the world, and the world can go back in time to see what you've said at any point in the last few years. It is highly illogical and simply unreasonable to expect multi-national companies to say "Well, it's ok for you to openly say how terrible a human being you are since you didn't say it at the workplace." No, everything you say on the internet is a matter of the public record, so don't say stupid and inflammatory things.

That said, the witch hunting is deplorable. Based on what I know, I wish the company had a little more back bone in this case, but the dude was stupid. Keep the obviously insensitive remarks in actually private spaces, which is plain common sense.

 

[Lionel Richie]

You are using the phrase "people that think differently" to mask the fact that he essentially got fired for being stupid. This isn't some brave fighter-pilot who got fired for conservative beliefs. People lose their jobs for doing dumb shit all the time. Stop this fucking nonsense.

What happens to him is not my problem. Maybe he can start his own studio or this might blow over and he'll land a gig somewhere in the future. Then he'd have learned a lesson and will keep his bigoted views to himself.

Not sure why I'm having to explain this, but being stupid is subjective. You might think he was, some might think he wasn't. Personally I don't think he posted anything particularly great but it wasn't anything to warrant this commotion, I'd rate it an "eh..."

Of course what happens to him is not your problem. It's not the problem of the fine folks at ResetERA either. You and them will just move on to the next target of your outrage. But the guy's career will remain fucked because he said something bad. So yes, you have freedom of speech, but don't go against us or else...

 

[Dunki]

You are missing the point that "do you do a good job?" involves not posting racist shit on twitter because you realize that doing so will make clients not trust you and is antithetical to creating a good working environment. People are human. When you post racist shit on twitter and you get into a conflict with an employee that happens to be a minority, people will question whether it is your beliefs driving the conflict or it is something else. This is just human nature and nothing will change that. Anything you say on social media affects you and anyone you work with because social media interconnects people. If you would say/do it at work, don't put it on social media. Keep it between your friends/family or whoever tolerates it. Or even better, stop being a bigot.



This is a fucking puzzling comment Dunki. I'm not even sure what you mean by it. You're gonna have to break it down for me.

Because this is the same argumentation. Religion is highly controversial if you want it or not. So if a right wing group targets a muslim for this kind of stuff. He/she will be protected. If you do this not agreeing with the extreme left tumblr fraction they will find you and try to destroy your life. And it does not even matter if you are using your real name or company they will doxx you no matter what. As I said before the example with the guy wearing a Trump hat.

If the company is it so important they should state it clear in their contract. Otherwise this kind of statement should not be conclude in this. If its hate speech sure but otherwise no. IT should be protected by law IMO.ANd this goes for left or rightwing. Since I belive in equality even in these cases.

 

[Sàmban]

Not sure why I'm having to explain this, but being stupid is subjective. You might think he was, some might think he wasn't. Personally I don't think he posted anything particularly great but it wasn't anything to warrant this commotion, I'd rate it an "eh..."

Of course what happens to him is not your problem. It's not the problem of the fine folks at ResetERA either. You and them will just move on to the next target of your outrage. But the guy's career will remain fucked because he said something bad. So yes, you have freedom of speech, but don't go against us or else...

"Guy posts racist/sexist shit when discussing company property on social media. Gets fired."

There is nothing to argue about here. This is as logical as is gets. You have nothing. Nothing but garbage "dem SJWs herp derp" platitudes.

 

[Dunki]

"Guy posts racist/sexist shit when discussing company property on social media. Gets fired."

There is nothing to argue about here. This is as logical as is gets. You have nothing. Nothing but garbage "dem SJWs herp derp" platitudes.

that decry immigration from third-world countries, make light of pay inequalities between genders and reference "SJW logic."

I do not know about immigration part but the rest is totally fine and SJW needs to be made fun of to be honest.

But yeah be happy he now get to be a victim and is invited to Milo Yiannopoulos it seems Good job to silence or change his views.

 

[Sàmban]

Because this is the same argumentation. Religion is highly controversial if you want it or not. So if a right wing group targets a muslim for this kind of stuff. He/she will be protected. If you do this not agreeing with the extreme left tumblr fraction they will find you and try to destroy your life. And it does not even matter if you are using your real name or company they will doxx you no matter what. As I said before the example with the guy wearing a Trump hat.

If the company is it so important they should state it clear in their contract. Otherwise this kind of statement should not be conclude in this. If its hate speech sure but otherwise no. IT should be protected by law IMO.ANd this goes for left or rightwing. Since I belive in equality even in these cases.

I'm not following you. Are you saying that if a rightwing group targets a Muslim for being Muslim and is protected by the company then that is a problem? Because that's absurd. The muslim person did nothing and the rightwing groups are just being racist.

However, if the Muslim posts dumb shit like "fuck all white people/christians" or something racist like that and gets fired, then of course they should expect to get fired and anyone claiming "muh freeduhms!!!" is just full of shit. Their comment is affecting the company despite being on social media.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with the Muslim comment to be honest.

 

[WowzerILove]

Not sure why I'm having to explain this, but being stupid is subjective. You might think he was, some might think he wasn't. Personally I don't think he posted anything particularly great but it wasn't anything to warrant this commotion, I'd rate it an "eh..."

Of course what happens to him is not your problem. It's not the problem of the fine folks at ResetERA either. You and them will just move on to the next target of your outrage. But the guy's career will remain fucked because he said something bad. So yes, you have freedom of speech, but don't go against us or else...

No, stupid is not as subjective as you make it seem. He went on twitter to post some, apparently, racist things. By doing that, he has expressed that he has idiotic views and now has laid it out there for millions of people to see. He doomed himself by putting it on social media as it was a ticking time bomb on who would find it. Since he publicly did this and he was connected to a company, people reported his tweets to the company. No one is trying to make people loose their job but if people are fine with comfortably putting racist ideology on the internet, they have to be fine with the repercussions

You don't seem to understand what freedom of speech is. He had freedom of speech by posting what he said on the internet but it's not freedom of speech without consequences. Every action has consequences and since he worked for a public company that came under backlash because of his tweets, he faced the consequence of being fired from his job. I know you're going to reply to this with something about then how is that freedom of speech, this is literally how "free speech" has always worked in america

 

[Dunki]

I'm not following you. Are you saying that if a rightwing group targets a Muslim for being Muslim and is protected by the company then that is a problem? Because that's absurd. The muslim person did nothing and the rightwing groups are just being racist.

However, if the Muslim posts dumb shit like "fuck all white people/christians" or something racist like that and gets fired, then of course they should expect to get fired and anyone claiming "muh freeduhms!!!" is just full of shit. Their comment is affecting the company despite being on social media.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with the Muslim comment to be honest.

Let me present you Linda Sarasour.Role model feminist, idol and leader of the Women's march 2018.

These tweets only matter if you are on the wrong side.

 

[KevinKeene]

You're missing the impact it does to your business. "Did you do a good job" ain't enough.

A forklift driver does a great job for 10 years, and then one day he fucks up and destroys a million dollars worth of inventory. He's done.

It's the same situation here but for lost reputation and internal cohesion.

People should not tie your social media to your job if your opinions are bad for company business. People haven't adapted enough to social media. I know that our job "defines us", so you gotta represent in and out.

To you and Samban:

The point is that keeping an employee employed who posted dumb stuff is only hurting business, because companies have nurtured that kind of environment. They choose to budge to the dumbest outrage, and now we're at a point where Nintendo gets vilified for not having a female Link in Zelda, something that never was even hinted at. But it became big because gameing websites chose to make it big and Nintendo chose to react.

When an employee does stupid shit, tell your customer 'that's not our company, just this person. Ask him.'. And if they then choose to cancel business with your company, the next company should tell the same customer 'we wouldn't have fired him either'. Keep this up long enough and the industry would regain the powet to make their own decisions.

Of course, that requires companies not being opportunistic, greedy assholes that use the first chance to publically announce 'come buy from us, we wouldn't keep someone like that enployed!'. Because money is more important than granting a human being a secure job. Off with his head!

 

[Lionel Richie]

"Guy posts racist/sexist shit when discussing company property on social media. Gets fired."

There is nothing to argue about here. This is as logical as is gets. You have nothing. Nothing but garbage "dem SJWs herp derp" platitudes.

He posted a dumb joke on the diversity slider, his other tweets were unrelated to the game unless I'm really missing something here. I don't think that should get him fired, it wasn't a funny joke and it should earn him a reprehension from his boss and then he should apologize. The other tweets were unrelated to his work and the company. You're reaching by saying it was all "discussing company property".

And you know, a discussion doesn't work like that, you can't end the discussion with "nothing to argue here". Yes, there is plenty of stuff to argue here and at no point I came close to saying anything resembling "dem SJWs herp derp". Quit grandstanding.

You don't seem to understand what freedom of speech is. He had freedom of speech by posting what he said on the internet but it's not freedom of speech without consequences. Every action has consequences and since he worked for a public company that came under backlash because of his tweets, he faced the consequence of being fired from his job. I know you're going to reply to this with something about then how is that freedom of speech, this is literally how "free speech" has always worked in america

So let me "understand what freedom of speech is": You're free to speak your mind, unless you speak something wrong at which point a crowd of people should gather and proceed to witch hunt you out of your job, one that doesn't even involve your personal opinions on that controversial matter. You're a fucking sound designer, not a social commentator. That's freedom of speech? Let me ask you something, do you think he would have been fired if people weren't pressuring the company to do so?

 

[WowzerILove]

To you and Samban:

The point is that keeping an employee employed who posted dumb stuff is only hurting business, because companies have nurtured that kind of environment. They choose to budge to the dumbest outrage, and now we're at a point where Nintendo gets vilified for not having a female Link in Zelda, something that never was even hinted at. But it became big because gameing websites chose to make it big and Nintendo chose to react.

When an employee does stupid shit, tell your customer 'that's not our company, just this person. Ask him.'. And if they then choose to cancel business with your company, the next company should tell the same customer 'we wouldn't have fired him either'. Keep this up long enough and the industry would regain the powet to make their own decisions.

Of course, that requires companies not being opportunistic, greedy assholes that use the first chance to publically announce 'come buy from us, we wouldn't keep someone like that enployed!'. Because money is more important than granting a human being a secure job. Off with his head!

That's just naive. A company would rather get rid of a bad employee than lose a customer. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Basically you're saying that if someone that works for a company says racist things, the company should protect that person/the next company downplay what that employee said.

 

[WowzerILove]

He posted a dumb joke on the diversity slider, his other tweets were unrelated to the game unless I'm really missing something here. I don't think that should get him fired, it wasn't a funny joke and it should earn him a reprehension from his boss and then he should apologize. The other tweets were unrelated to his work and the company. You're reaching by saying it was all "discussing company property".

And you know, a discussion doesn't work like that, you can't end the discussion with "nothing to argue here". Yes, there is plenty of stuff to argue here and at no point I came close to saying anything resembling "dem SJWs herp derp". Quit grandstanding.

It doesn't matter if the tweets related to the game at all. He worked there and he said some dumb things. It was his employer that fired him, not the "outrage mob"

 

[Sàmban]

Let me present you Linda Sarasour.Role model feminist, idol and leader of the Women's march 2018.

These tweets only matter if you are on the wrong side.

Please provide some context. This seems like you just pulled some tweets from some radical because "reasons". What the fuck am I even looking at? And what does this have to do with people getting fired from actual jobs for posting dumb shit like we were discussing?

To you and Samban:

The point is that keeping an employee employed who posted dumb stuff is only hurting business, because companies have nurtured that kind of environment. They choose to budge to the dumbest outrage, and now we're at a point where Nintendo gets vilified for not having a female Link in Zelda, something that never was even hinted at. But it became big because gameing websites chose to make it big and Nintendo chose to react.

When an employee does stupid shit, tell your customer 'that's not our company, just this person. Ask him.'. And if they then choose to cancel business with your company, the next company should tell the same customer 'we wouldn't have fired him either'. Keep this up long enough and the industry would regain the powet to make their own decisions.

Of course, that requires companies not being opportunistic, greedy assholes that use the first chance to publically announce 'come buy from us, we wouldn't keep someone like that enployed!'. Because money is more important than granting a human being a secure job. Off with his head!

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Let's assume that this does happen, and any employee can post all sorts of shit on twitter. Do you think that might have an effect in the workplace? Do you think it is possible that just because some asshole gets to keep his job, it might make work more stressful for others? Don't you think it would be much easier to just not be an asshole?

 

[Lionel Richie]

It doesn't matter if the tweets related to the game at all. He worked there and he said some dumb things. It was his employer that fired him, not the "outrage mob"

If I go to a bar with you and use the n-word repeatedly, should I be fired from my job? Even though that's unrelated to my work? Why?

Edit: so it wasn't the mob that fired him, it's just a coincidence that it happened right afterwards that embarrassing Resetera thread. Right...

 

[WowzerILove]

If I go to a bar with you and use the n-word repeatedly, should I be fired from my job? Even though that's unrelated to my work? Why?

Since i'm black, I would have left after the first time you said it. If someone recorded you saying that and sent it to your work, it's on them to decide whether to fire you or not. I don't know why you're placing it on the mob that got him fired when it was the company that decided to let him go. If the negative blowback is too strong, chances are that you would get fired as they do not want bad publicity losing them potential customers.

It's also telling on you that you what kind of person you are by saying that word repeatedly

 

[Dunki]

Please provide some context. This seems like you just pulled some tweets from some radical because "reasons". What the fuck am I even looking at? And what does this have to do with people getting fired from actual jobs for posting dumb shit like we were discussing?

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Let's assume that this does happen, and any employee can post all sorts of shit on twitter. Do you think that might have an effect in the workplace? Do you think it is possible that just because some asshole gets to keep his job, it might make work more stressful for others? Don't you think it would be much easier to just not be an asshole?

I think it is much more easier to not give a fuck what a andom person said. I do not need to be everyones friend. This was not a person in power at all unlike the ones I showed you. This victimhood mentality really needs to stop. You are not a victim when someone totally unimportant says insensitive stuff about something...

Hate speech yeah this no.

And the dev clearly stated that they only reacted on the outrage so yes it was the mob who fired him.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

If I go to a bar with you and use the n-word repeatedly, should I be fired from my job? Even though that's unrelated to my work? Why?

If someone makes a viral internet video of the incident, yes. It will look extremely bad for your work place to keep a racist employed.

 

[d4emon]

Please provide some context. This seems like you just pulled some tweets from some radical because "reasons". What the fuck am I even looking at? And what does this have to do with people getting fired from actual jobs for posting dumb shit like we were discussing?

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Let's assume that this does happen, and any employee can post all sorts of shit on twitter. Do you think that might have an effect in the workplace? Do you think it is possible that just because some asshole gets to keep his job, it might make work more stressful for others? Don't you think it would be much easier to just not be an asshole?

Shouldn't it be up to the coworkers then? What if they unanimously said: let him stay? what message would that give to the world, that everyone on the company is racist?

 

[Lionel Richie]

If someone makes a viral internet video of the incident, yes. It will look extremely bad for your work place to keep a racist employed.

Regardless of the context? At the end of this video Yahtzee makes a blatant racially charged joke, should he be fired if that happened today? And why wasn't he 6-7 years ago?

 

[KevinKeene]

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Let's assume that this does happen, and any employee can post all sorts of shit on twitter. Do you think that might have an effect in the workplace? Do you think it is possible that just because some asshole gets to keep his job, it might make work more stressful for others? Don't you think it would be much easier to just not be an asshole?

1.) Being an asshole shouldn't get you fired.
2.) What constitutes of 'being an asshole' is the problem here.

I'm also in Germany where hate speech is forbidden, so the whole 'so employees should be allowed to spread racist shit?' doesn't apply to me. But that's not what this is about. I'd have little sympathy with some tweeting 'all black (or white) people should be shot!'. That's both racist and violent. What we're talking about is people tweeting 'I'm against abortion, it should be forbidden' and get fired. Or someone refusing to adress a trans woman with 'she' and getting fired. Stuff that should be well within reason and one's own choice.

If you want to discuss the firing of blatant, full-on racists then screw them. Because in Germany they'd be screwed by the police for such shit, which is what should happen instead of companies doing vigilante justice.

 

[Sàmban]

He posted a dumb joke on the diversity slider, his other tweets were unrelated to the game unless I'm really missing something here. I don't think that should get him fired, it wasn't a funny joke and it should earn him a reprehension from his boss and then he should apologize. The other tweets were unrelated to his work and the company. You're reaching by saying it was all "discussing company property".

And you know, a discussion doesn't work like that, you can't end the discussion with "nothing to argue here". Yes, there is plenty of stuff to argue here and at no point I came close to saying anything resembling "dem SJWs herp derp". Quit grandstanding.

So let me "understand what freedom of speech is": You're free to speak your mind, unless you speak something wrong at which point a crowd of people should gather and proceed to witch hunt you out of your job, one that doesn't even involve your personal opinions on that controversial matter. You're a fucking sound designer, not a social commentator. That's freedom of speech? Let me ask you something, do you think he would have been fired if people weren't pressuring the company to do so?

Fine, let's assume that I am "reaching" with the diversity slider comment. Had it only been limited to that single incident, then perhaps the company might have decided to keep him (actually, I believe another dev from the same team had made a comment a poll about having female characters vs making a good game which also got some attention but they did not fire them, so there you go). My point still stands when you take everything he said as a whole (transphobic comments, stuff about non-europeans having low IQs, etc). It created an image of someone with bigoted views. It is up to the company to keep him or fire him. They are entirely justified in firing him. Forgive me for looking like I am trying to grandstand, but I find it pretty absurd that we are equating a guy who lost his job for posting dumb shit on twitter with the eradication of free speech.

Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences from society. Again, there is nothing to argue here. We wouldn't be debating this if he had some common sense and didn't post this stuff on twitter. He was free to post this on tweeter. People were free to voice their complaints about it. Employer was free to fire him.

You complain about limited freedom but I'm seeing a lot of it, actually.

 

[Dunki]

Fine, let's assume that I am "reaching" with the diversity slider comment. My point still stands when you take everything he said as a whole (transphobic comments, stuff about non-europeans having low IQs, etc). It created an image of someone with bigoted views. It is up to the company to keep him or fire him. They are entirely justified in firing him. Forgive me for looking like I am trying to grandstand, but I find it pretty absurd that we are equating a guy who lost his job for posting dumb shit on twitter with the eradication of free speech.

Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences from society. Again, there is nothing to argue here. We wouldn't be debating this if he had some common sense and didn't post this stuff on twitter. He was free to post this on tweeter. People were free to voice their complaints about it. Employer was free to fire him.

You complain about limited freedom but I'm seeing a lot of it, actually.

People are also free to call sjw stupid and when you do like in Anita S case for example she cited it as hatespeech. She even argued in front of the UN that it was hatespeech to disagree with her. There are so many double standards in play here....

And I love how you defend lynchmobs and what they are causing. Are you also in support of Antifa?

 

[Hamster Plugin]

I'm also in Germany where hate speech is forbidden, so the whole 'so employees should be allowed to spread racist shit?' doesn't apply to me. But that's not what this is about. I'd have little sympathy with some tweeting 'all black (or white) people should be shot!'. That's both racist and violent.

Funny that you say that. In Germany you have a politician that said that immigrants should be shot. He belongs to AfD, the party that Trump supporters love a lot for some reason. Totally not racist!! The excuses for it are the same as we see here: "it's just my political views", "you are persecuting conservative viewpoints". When stuff like this is simply called "conservative", there should be no question why the right gets called Nazis so often.

People are also free to call sjw stupid and when you do like in Anita S case for example she cited it as hatespeech. She even argued in front of the UN that it was hatespeech to disagree with her. There are so many double standards in play here....

Anita Sarkeesian would be a literal nobody if it wasn't for right wing reactionaries sending her death threats in response to a kickstarter that asked for 6k dollars for a bunch of videos. Prior videos had view counts that barely reached 10k views (and without all the right wing outrage she's actually at around those numbers today lol). The right made her what she became - the kickstarter only gained traction after the threats and harassment started flooding in.

 

[Dunki]

Funny that you say that. In Germany you have a politician that said that immigrants should be shot. He belongs to AfD, the party that Trump supporters love a lot for some reason. Totally not racist!! The excuses for it are the same as we see here: "it's just my political views", "you are persecuting conservative viewpoints". When stuff like this is simply called "conservative", there should be no question why the right gets called Nazis so often.


Anita Sarkeesian would be a literal nobody if it wasn't for right wing reactionaries sending her death threats in response to a kickstarter that asked for 6k dollars for a bunch of videos. Prior videos had view counts that barely reached 10k views (and without all the right wing outrage she's actually at around those numbers today lol). The right made her what she became - the kickstarter only gained traction after the threats and harassment started flooding in.

Same goes for Milo.

As for the AFD thing: He was talking about the illegal tresspassing the border. And he also get criticized for it anyway. And this was at a time when people overrun borderpatrols to get into this country. So what would you do after several warnings? And the AFD just like Milo just like Anita only became so big here because they tried to silence them in the same way. Now they in the parlament and they have to deal with them. But this is also what democracy means. DEal with unpleasant things and act like adults.

 

[Sàmban]

1.) Being an asshole shouldn't get you fired.
2.) What constitutes of 'being an asshole' is the problem here.

I'm also in Germany where hate speech is forbidden, so the whole 'so employees should be allowed to spread racist shit?' doesn't apply to me. But that's not what this is about. I'd have little sympathy with some tweeting 'all black (or white) people should be shot!'. That's both racist and violent. What we're talking about is people tweeting 'I'm against abortion, it should be forbidden' and get fired. Or someone refusing to adress a trans woman with 'she' and getting fired. Stuff that should be well within reason and one's own choice.

If you want to discuss the firing of blatant, full-on racists then screw them. Because in Germany they'd be screwed by the police for such shit, which is what should happen instead of companies doing vigilante justice.

I've got news for you: being an asshole WILL ABSOLUTELY get you fired. It happens ALL THE TIME. Most companies will rather hire someone with decent experience who has great people-skills over an expert with is a complete asshole. How well you do your job doesn't matter if people can't work with you.

I won't disagree that it can be a complex issue. I think "I'm against abortion, it should be forbidden" is much more reasonable than saying stuff like people from third-world countries are dysfunctional/have low IQs though (which is one of the things he said). I think the abortion debate can have arguments on both sides that aren't entirely driven by hate/ignorance which I think is what makes it fairly ok in the "controversial" space.

I think refusing to address a trans person by their correct gender might also be a problem though. I mean, it's kind of like I tell you "hey my name is John" and you go "no, I'll call you Sue because I don't want to call you John." Kind of an unnecessary dick move. What if a client of your is trans? Are you going to risk losing that client because you don't want to address the trans person by their correct gender? In that case I can see the company firing you for being a dick.

 

[David___]

Funny that you say that. In Germany you have a politician that said that immigrants should be shot. He belongs to AfD, the party that Trump supporters love a lot for some reason. Totally not racist!! The excuses for it are the same as we see here: "it's just my political views", "you are persecuting conservative viewpoints". When stuff like this is simply called "conservative", there should be no question why the right gets called Nazis so often.

Racism is weird. Everybody knows it totally exists, but when you look at any specific situation, racism is never involved. You can know that it exists, but when you look for it, it turns into something else.




Racism is quantum locked. It doesn't exist when it's being observed. The moment it is seen by any living creature, it freezes into a coincidence.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Fine, let's assume that I am "reaching" with the diversity slider comment. Had it only been limited to that single incident, then perhaps the company might have decided to keep him (actually, I believe another dev from the same team had made a comment a poll about having female characters vs making a good game which also got some attention but they did not fire them, so there you go). My point still stands when you take everything he said as a whole (transphobic comments, stuff about non-europeans having low IQs, etc). It created an image of someone with bigoted views. It is up to the company to keep him or fire him. They are entirely justified in firing him. Forgive me for looking like I am trying to grandstand, but I find it pretty absurd that we are equating a guy who lost his job for posting dumb shit on twitter with the eradication of free speech.

Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences from society. Again, there is nothing to argue here. We wouldn't be debating this if he had some common sense and didn't post this stuff on twitter. He was free to post this on tweeter. People were free to voice their complaints about it. Employer was free to fire him.

You complain about limited freedom but I'm seeing a lot of it, actually.

You're not reaching with the diversity slider comment by itself. I said you're reaching because that's the only comment that was done, as you put it, "when discussing company property on social media". That was indeed replying to that poll you mentioned. The other tweets do not have anything to do with the company or his work, they're unrelated. So I said you're reaching because you implied it was all relative to the company, which isn't true.

I agree that he shouldn't have tweeted that, he should have known better. But that to me is like going to a very dark street in a dangerous neighborhood, you know you're going to get mugged or raped. It happens, but it shouldn't. He posted some opinions that are controversial, but those are opinions and are not related to the job he was doing. The punishment he receives shouldn't be losing his job, there's no connection there. And he lost the job not because the "employer was free to fire him", he lost it because the biggest gaming Forum on the internet really wanted him to. Freedom of speech involves debate, involves people calling you out for being wrong, it involves conversations. There's none of that here, what is here is people getting fired over political opinions.

Let me ask you, do you think Alison Rapp deserved to be fired as well? Would she deserve the harassment this guy is undoubtedly getting or the kind of posts directed at him at that ridiculous Resetera thread? Because the same crowd that was screaming bloody murder when she got fired is the one behind this dude being fired.

 

[Sàmban]

People are also free to call sjw stupid and when you do like in Anita S case for example she cited it as hatespeech. She even argued in front of the UN that it was hatespeech to disagree with her. There are so many double standards in play here....

And I love how you defend lynchmobs and what they are causing. Are you also in support of Antifa?

Stay on topic Dunki. I never said anything about defending lynchmobs or supporting Antifa. People are free to call SJWs whatever they want. What I think is dumb is that when people post racist shit on twitter and get fired, it is not suppression of free speech. The poster is excercising his free speech to post it, the SJWs are exercising their free speech to react to his post, and the company has every right to fire him.

Don't post dumb shit on twitter. This is what we are talking about. I don't give a flying fuck about Anita or Antifa.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

As for the AFD thing: He was talking about the illegal tresspassing the border. And he also get criticized for it anyway. And this was at a time when people overrun borderpatrols to get into this country. So what would you do after several warnings? And the AFD just like Milo just like Anita only became so big here because they tried to silence them in the same way. Now they in the parlament and they have to deal with them. But this is also what democracy means. DEal with unpleasant things and act like adults.

How were they silenced? Nobody silenced them, they got their point across quite well. They want to kill immigrants. That makes them quite racist.

You're advocating violence now.

 

[Vicetrailia]

It feels like this is a: freedom of speech AND consequences, yes or no, situation.

But the only answer right now is no, unless you want the government to make companies issue training regimes as an attempt of effort the first couples times around.

 

[Dunki]

How were they silenced? Nobody silenced them, they got their point across quite well. They want to kill immigrants. That makes them quite racist.

You're advocating violence now.

Just like ou guys in America we do election speeches and talks in TV. The AFD is a totally normal party but The other big ones did not wanted to debate with them in public TV. They threatend not to show up if the AFD would be there. Even though the AFD was one of the 4th biggest parties at that time. Normally its the first 5. This sparked a ton of censorship discussions and the AFD gained a ton of folllowers afterwards. And I amnot advocating for violence at all. They have the right to speak even If i do not agree with them is almost every aspect.

 

[Sàmban]

You're not reaching with the diversity slider comment by itself. I said you're reaching because that's the only comment that was done, as you put it, "when discussing company property on social media". That was indeed replying to that poll you mentioned. The other tweets do not have anything to do with the company or his work, they're unrelated. So I said you're reaching because you implied it was all relative to the company, which isn't true.

I agree that he shouldn't have tweeted that, he should have known better. But that to me is like going to a very dark street in a dangerous neighborhood, you know you're going to get mugged or raped. It happens, but it shouldn't. He posted some opinions that are controversial, but those are opinions and are not related to the job he was doing. The punishment he receives shouldn't be losing his job, there's no connection there. And he lost the job not because the "employer was free to fire him", he lost it because the biggest gaming Forum on the internet really wanted him to. Freedom of speech involves debate, involves people calling you out for being wrong, it involves conversations. There's none of that here, what is here is people getting fired over political opinions.

Let me ask you, do you think Alison Rapp deserved to be fired as well? Would she deserve the harassment this guy is undoubtedly getting or the kind of posts directed at him at that ridiculous Resetera thread? Because the same crowd that was screaming bloody murder when she got fired is the one behind this dude being fired.

Jesus fuck of course Alison Rapp deserved to be fired. She's an advocate for child porn. The call-girl stuff I don't care about personally but I can understand a kid-centric company like Nintendo not wanting any of that. No fucking business would want to touch her with the child porn stuff though. I'm pretty sure when that story broke I posted as much on this board. Not sure why you'd bring that up as some sort of "gatcha" when it is pretty clear cut.

The stuff about resetERA is a separate issue and much bigger issue overall concerning the formation of echo-chambers. There is a lot of hypocrisy on resetERA (see the al-franken thread and the Hillary abuser cover-up thread) but there is also hypocrisy here. It is not unique to the left or to "SJWs". The right does the same thing, and if we aren't careful, GAF will become the resetERA of the right -except with less moderation.

 

[Dunki]

Jesus fuck of course Alison Rapp deserved to be fired. She's an advocate for child porn. The call-girl stuff I don't care about personally but I can understand a kid-centric company like Nintendo not wanting any of that. No fucking business would want to touch her with the child porn stuff though. I'm pretty sure when that story broke I posted as much on this board. Not sure why you'd bring that up as some sort of "gatcha" when it is pretty clear cut.

The stuff about resetERA is a separate issue and much bigger issue overall concerning the formation of echo-chambers. There is a lot of hypocrisy on resetERA (see the al-franken thread and the Hillary abuser cover-up thread) but there is also hypocrisy here. It is not unique to the left or to "SJWs". The right does the same thing, and if we aren't careful, GAF will become the resetERA of the right.

See I do not agree that she deserved to be fired for the pedophile stuff because she said something that normal psychology profs are saying as well. But I guess the public see it differently then actually well educated professors at universities...

The thing she did wrong however was working beside her actual job. And while i do not care about the hostess part I guess its not good for Nintendo as well.