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[Petrae]

Not even three strikes huh? Just straight to maximum sentence.

It often only takes one "strike" to adversely affect the bottom line of a business when boycotts and bad publicity lead customers away because of something that an employee decided to say publicly in front of the world's loudest microphone.

Each case may have different levels of severity, but again: Companies don't want to have to spend the time and money necessary to fight off angry internetizens when it's far simpler and cost effective to shitcan the person who was dumb enough to say something publicly to rile people up.

It sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[Typhares]

I think a business should be able to fire someone if they believe that he/she deserves it. I also think a business firing someone only because they are caving to pressure from some loud people and it is the easy way out is wrong.
I think it was stupid to make these comments online in the first place for sure but at the time of making them (more than a year ago apparently) nobody gave a crap. Now the game gets a bit more exposure and people go dig dirt and that also rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

 

[Wunray]

I think everyone should be given second chances, well depending on what you did of course. In this case I think this person didn't need to be fired.

 

[drotahorror]

Think before you tweet. In today's climate, if you think what you're saying is even slightly controversial, best to just keep it to yourself. Especially if you're on your public profile that can be linked directly to you.

Throwing an 11 years long employee under the bus for some tweets that might hurt some feelings is a bit harsh though.

 

[ilfait]

On one hand, I think it's silly to be fired over off-the-cuff remarks made online. On the other hand, I can attest personally to how easy it is to just not make those comments on social media for everyone to see, or at all. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Great solution. The only public opinions will be of the SJW-sanctioned variety. Boy howdy, this perfectly describes the world in which I'd like to live.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

What makes this particular case 'interesting' is the he/she was fired directly because of harassment from resetera-users. They made themselves heard over twitter, wrote stark condemnations on the forum, and then ... fired.

They did exactly what they always accuse evil GamerGate of. But apparently it's ok when they do it.

As for my opinion: didn't deserve getting fired. People say stupid things on twitter. As long as it's not illegal hate speech, let them be. Only making a fool out of themselves.

This is an American developer. There is no such thing as illegal hate speech in America. Hate speech has no legal definition whatsoever.

It's not free speech if there are consequences. Otherwise I'd have to assume we also have 'free murder'. Sure, I have to go to jail, but I can murder you. Your definition of free speech is a very detached, philosophical one. One that's worthless for all practicalities.

We have the right to freedom from prosecution by the government for exercising our right to free speech. We don't necessarily have the right not to be fired from our job for saying something they don't like.

 

[ilfait]

Think before you tweet. In today's climate, if you think what you're saying is even slightly controversial, best to just keep it to yourself. Especially if you're on your public profile that can be linked directly to you.

Throwing an 11 years long employee under the bus for some tweets that might hurt some feelings is a bit harsh though.

A bit harsh? It's disgusting. And no controversial opinions sounds neat!

 

[Petrae]

Think before you tweet. In today's climate, if you think what you're saying is even slightly controversial, best to just keep it to yourself. Especially if you're on your public profile that can be linked directly to you.

Throwing an 11 years long employee under the bus for some tweets that might hurt some feelings is a bit harsh though.

Exactly. No hot take or controversial comment is worth risking my job over. I'll just mutter it to myself. I also don't list my employer on any of my social media accounts.

Termination isn't really the best way to deal with these situations, but if the angry mob gains steam or becomes influential (as Resetera is with its power players in and around the biz)? Damage control often takes precedence over length of service or loyalty.

 

[StrategyFan]

funny to see the "free speech" crowd review bombing the game

game developers aren't the government

creating a decent working environment isn't censoring free speech

 

[KevinKeene]

So there should be absolutely no consequences to what people say? If someone in a company harasses an individual, says racist, misogynistic, hateful things the employer should just shrug and say "Hey that's perfectly acceptable buddy!"

k.

Law defines what constitutes as hate speech. Hate speech is illegal. Someone who breaks the law deserves punishment.

Anything other than that shouldn't be of consequence, outside of individuals shunning you for personal disagreement.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

"Over the weekend we discovered that one of our team members had made many hateful statements online that are against our company values. After discussing the matter with him, we decided to stop working with him immediately."

Though the topic title says he was fired over "Insensitive Tweets," it would appear to me that he was given an opportunity to explain his douchebaggery and failed.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Law defines what constitutes as hate speech. Hate speech is illegal. Someone who breaks the law deserves punishment.

Anything other than that shouldn't be of consequence, outside of individuals shunning you for personal disagreement.

Again, hate speech is not illegal in America. Hate speech has no legal definition.

 

[ilfait]

Though the topic title says he was fired over "Insensitive Tweets," it would appear to me that he was given an opportunity to explain his douchebaggery and failed.

Maybe. To me it sounds like he was given a chance to lie and decided not to.

 

[KevinKeene]

We have the right to freedom from prosecution by the government for exercising our right to free speech. We don't necessarily have the right not to be fired from our job for saying something they don't like.

So what worth has this kind of 'free speech', when nobody with a functioning brain dares making use of it? Pretty crappy 'free speech' if you ask me.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

So what worth has this kind of 'free speech', when nobody with a functioning brain dares making use of it? Pretty crappy 'free speech' if you ask me.

Would it really make a whole lot of sense to you for you and your fellow co-workers to be able to walk around at work, saying whatever you want to each other / customers / clients, with zero consequences? You can't be fined or put in jail for your speech, and your employer can't be forced to employ shitty employees. You are free to say what you want. Other people are free to not pay you to do that on their time or in a manner that paints them in a poor light.

 

[Moneal]

Law defines what constitutes as hate speech. Hate speech is illegal. Someone who breaks the law deserves punishment.

Anything other than that shouldn't be of consequence, outside of individuals shunning you for personal disagreement.

The only speech that is illegal in the US is inciting violence. Thats why the kkk can march and spout what ever nonsense they want. just because they are practicing hate speech they aren't calling for violence.

 

[drotahorror]

Law defines what constitutes as hate speech. Hate speech is illegal. Someone who breaks the law deserves punishment.

Anything other than that shouldn't be of consequence, outside of individuals shunning you for personal disagreement.

I'm confused. Are you saying the Subnautica dev used hate speech?

 

[KevinKeene]

Would it really make a whole lot of sense to you for you and your fellow co-workers to be able to walk around at work, saying whatever you want to each other / customers / clients, with zero consequences? You can't be fined or put in jail for your speech, and your employer can't be forced to employ shitty employees. You are free to say what you want. Other people are free to not pay you to do that on their time.

No, why would it be without consequences how you speak to costumers? But we're talking about private twitter-accounts. The company shouldn't have any say about what I do in my free time. Forget about speech for a moment. Would you be okay with getting fired because your employer finds out that you're member in a s/m-club? That you collect figures of anime girls? That you're cheating on your gf? That you like to sniff on dog poo? Etc etc.

The company can set the rules during work hours. Outside of those, the company should have no right to fire you for whatever legal activity you do.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

No, why would it be without consequences how you speak to costumers? But we're talking about private twitter-accounts. The company shouldn't have any say about what I do in my free time. Forget about speech for a moment. Would you be okay with getting fired because your employer finds out that you're member in a s/m-club? That you collect figures of anime girls? That you're cheating on your gf? That you like to sniff on dog poo? Etc etc.

The company can set the rules during work hours. Outside of those, the company should have no right to fire you for whatever legal activity you do.

I'm not saying employers always make the right call in these situations. I have run across many instances where I haven't agreed with actions that employers have taken in regard to social media. In general, though, I agree with employers having the right to make those calls. As a business owner, I have no obligation to take a PR hit or lose clients because of some stupid thing an employee has said or done just because it happened on their own time.

 

[Pejo]

Great solution. The only public opinions will be of the SJW-sanctioned variety. Boy howdy, this perfectly describes the world in which I'd like to live.

I actually agree with your (snarky) point that we should be able to voice our opinions without fear of legislated repercussion, but there's also such a thing as picking your battles and finding the hill you're going to die on. If I can avoid the drama created by online vigilantes and social media just by not posting a controversial opinion on my Facebook, you can bet your ass I'm just going to skip it and move on. I mean you don't see most people going online and questioning their boss's recent decisions about other stuff on linkedin, which would basically be the same thing.

 

[DanielJr82]

I like to pretend that anything I write on social media is like saying something at work; you're going to get called out for it, so it's best to just zip it.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Do you have some receipts for this prostitution talk? Preferably not some guy on YouTube?

The evidence is out there. But if you're curious, compare the escort Maria Mint to the nude photos on Rapp's Patreon.

 

[mckmas8808]

Source: www.gamesindustry.biz

I don't want to comment on whether his firing was warranted or not, but it seems to me as if twitter is increasingly becoming a liability with many of its users being out for blood. Were the developer's tweets 'insensitive' enough to be fired? Maybe, but I certainly can't conclude to his whole personality just by a couple of silly tweets. What people say, what they really think and what they actually do are vastly different things sometimes. But nowadays a couple of tweets suffice to be quickly judged and condemned by the public eye.

It seems to me as if social-media is giving way too much power to public opinion. We're all aware of the fact that large groups of people tend to be vastly hysterical. While a vocal minority of power-tripping twitter-addicts cries outrage at every silly little thing and decides the fate of individuals, the silent majority has better things to do than browsing through other people's social-media accounts.

It's very easy to assume that what people say, is what they mean/think. It's not fair that you don't want people to believe someone when they type it on Twitter.

 

[mckmas8808]

No one is contesting the company's right to fire their employee. The issue is that the hypersensitive masses of the internet have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner for badthink, and that these companies are going along with it.

Why are you acting as if Twitter fired this dev? The gaming company did so stop blaming the so called "hypersensitive masses of the internet".

 

[Lord Radik]

It's not free speech if there are consequences. Otherwise I'd have to assume we also have 'free murder'. Sure, I have to go to jail, but I can murder you. Your definition of free speech is a very detached, philosophical one. One that's worthless for all practicalities.

I think the 1st amendment protects your right to free speech. You won't have your head on the chopping block if you tell Beyonce she looks like Steve Buchemi. The same does not hold true in every part of the world, even in 2018. Also, I hate myself for getting into these obviously lightning rod topics online. I'll just finish up by suggesting that there are far more important conversations about freedoms, our democracy and injustices here and abroad to put too much thought power into dumb things people say on social media.

 

[Senua]

Seems a bit strong.

 

[NickFire]

Jesus Christ do you argue online for a living? A guy posts something about a project that the company was working that contains comments that are misogynistic. Said company fires guy for doing so. I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics you want me to jump through, but in - again - the real world a decent company doesn't stand for that.
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Rather than pigeon hole cool phrases into your posts like "mental gymnastics," you should instead actually read the OP for the context of the the discussion next time. The thread centered around a post from 2016 that just "resurfaced" last weekend thanks to a segment of the population looking to burn the 2018 version of witches, and the OP's purpose in making it was to discuss how social media is being used for that purpose. He or she specifically avoided going into the justification or lack thereof for the firing in the OP, as did I when participating in the actual thread's intended discussion.

Insult me all you want, but I stand behind everything I said. And to answer your question, no, I am not a professional poster. Just bored on a slow day.

 

[CRON]

Someone posting insensitive things can inadvertently lower the reputation of a company they work for and arguably represent. I can understand why they got fired.

This should more or less be a lesson about oversharing and being on social media too much. I'm sure if every single person used Twitter ad nauseum, we could dig through any given profile and find some insensitive, problematic posts.

 

[mckmas8808]

Someone posting insensitive things can inadvertently lower the reputation of a company they work for and arguably represent. I can understand why they got fired.

This should more or less be a lesson about oversharing and being on social media too much. I'm sure if every single person used Twitter ad nauseum, we could dig through any given profile and find some insensitive, problematic posts.

I have no idea why more people here don't seem to understand this. You can't just say and do anything you want in public and think you deserve to keep your jobs. That's being called entitled.

 

[ilfait]

Someone posting insensitive things can inadvertently lower the reputation of a company they work for and arguably represent. I can understand why they got fired.

This should more or less be a lesson about oversharing and being on social media too much. I'm sure if every single person used Twitter ad nauseum, we could dig through any given profile and find some insensitive, problematic posts.

"Problematic" is problematic.

 

[NickFire]

I have no idea why more people here don't seem to understand this. You can't just say and do anything you want in public and think you deserve to keep your jobs. That's being called entitled.

I understand that and think most people agree with you myself included. But digging up posts from 2016, and sending them to someone's job in 2018 to get them fired, is the work of sick individuals in my opinion. They succeeded in their goal to burn the witch though, so props to them for destroying someone over stupid posts from two years ago. I am sure that made their lives massively better.

 

[mckmas8808]

I understand that and think most people agree with you myself included. But digging up posts from 2016, and sending them to someone's job in 2018 to get them fired, is the work of sick individuals in my opinion. They succeeded in their goal to burn the witch though, so props to them for destroying someone over stupid posts from two years ago. I am sure that made their lives massively better.

I do agree its super stupid for people to do that given the person's job. If they were a govt offical I'd understand, but a gaming dev? Come on people.

 

[ilfait]

I have no idea why more people here don't seem to understand this. You can't just say and do anything you want in public and think you deserve to keep your jobs. That's being called entitled.

It's called a reasonable amount of freedom that any human deserves. It's wrong that anyone should be chained to his job to the degree that he can't behave in any way he fucking well pleases on his off hours. People already devote the majority of their waking existence to their employers, but that's not enough; now their few hours away from work aren't to be their own either.

Supporting this kind of thing is very wrong.

 

[PtM]

The evidence is out there. But if you're curious, compare the escort Maria Mint to the nude photos on Rapp's Patreon.

Apologies, the finer details of the escort profession have been going over my head all this time.

 

[ExpandKong]

Why are you acting as if Twitter fired this dev? The gaming company did so stop blaming the so called "hypersensitive masses of the internet".

Are we pretending the members of resetera et al didn't spam the company twitter account pointing out this guy's old tweets now? Yes I understand that Twitter didn't hand the guy his pink slip. I'm not thick.

The fact is, if this guy had said something misogynistic in the office and a female coworker overheard him, he'd probably get a meeting with HR and maybe a written warning.

Ultimately yes, it is his fault for sharing his opinions publicly (how dare he!) - it's akin to flipping someone off while you're driving a car with your company's logo printed on the side - but you don't see the hypocrisy or the problem with this group of people weaponizing social media to ruin someone's life because they don't agree with what he thinks?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Apologies, the finer details of the escort profession have been going over my head all this time.

Thats what I'm here for

 

[NahaNago]

Since it is only coming to light 2 years later , I kinda feel firing was a little extreme. A talk in the office concerning his tweets plus a suspension for a week and for the sjw/public a response to the steps taken since hearing about his actions. I do understand firing to ward off bad press.

 

[mckmas8808]

Are we pretending the members of resetera et al didn't spam the company twitter account pointing out this guy's old tweets now? Yes I understand that Twitter didn't hand the guy his pink slip. I'm not thick.

The fact is, if this guy had said something misogynistic in the office and a female coworker overheard him, he'd probably get a meeting with HR and maybe a written warning.

Ultimately yes, it is his fault for sharing his opinions publicly (how dare he!) - it's akin to flipping someone off while you're driving a car with your company's logo printed on the side - but you don't see the hypocrisy or the problem with this group of people weaponizing social media to ruin someone's life because they don't agree with what he thinks?

I can see the problem with that in theory, yes. But lets not act like the things he said are chorus boy material either. Like why exactly should you or anybody yes be caping up for this fella?

No company should be hand-cuffed to keep an associate they don't want to be employing after this public embarrassment if they don't want to.

 

[KevinKeene]

I have no idea why more people here don't seem to understand this. You can't just say and do anything you want in public and think you deserve to keep your jobs. That's being called entitled.

I just can't agree with that. No employer should have power over what you do in your free time. I won't accept that, because it's inherently wrong.

How about instead if caving to any vocal outrage on the internet, companies teach people that they're not entitled to telling companies who to fire?

And lastly, you claim that companies only fire people who post offensive stuff. That's not true. While I'm left-liberal myself, I'm not blind: most people who get fired are conservatives. When treatment is so one-side, it's just not right. The crazy left has the power to tell companies to fire right-leaning people. That's just wrong.

Someone gets fired over an innocuous posting, yet someone can post 'I've never met a white person that wasn't racist' and that's okay. :/

 

[JP]

Irrelevant of what people think of the actual comment that they made and what followed, they should really have known better than to post something like that. Even when it's a personal opinion and may only have been a poorly thought out joke, you have to understand that you are representing the company who employs and you do need to think before posting.

I imagine the Tweet was posted without any maliciousness intended but it's still something that you need to be vary careful about as you could be talking to millions of people and have to consider how you'd feel saying it in real life to that many people that you don't know, don't understand and who also don't know or understand you.

 

[mckmas8808]

I just can't agree with that. No employer should have power over what you do in your free time. I won't accept that, because it's inherently wrong.

How about instead if caving to any vocal outrage on the internet, companies teach people that they're not entitled to telling companies who to fire?

And lastly, you claim that companies only fire people who post offensive stuff. That's not true. While I'm left-liberal myself, I'm not blind: most people who get fired are conservatives. When treatment is so one-side, it's just not right. The crazy left has the power to tell companies to fire right-leaning people. That's just wrong.

Someone gets fired over an innocuous posting, yet someone can post 'I've never met a white person that wasn't racist' and that's okay. :/

This is where you are just dead wrong. It's not only conservatives that get fired for things that they say and do on social media. People of ALL political or non-political persuasion get fired for those things.

 

[ilfait]

I can see the problem with that in theory, yes. But lets not act like the things he said are chorus boy material either. Like why exactly should you or anybody yes be caping up for this fella?

No company should be hand-cuffed to keep an associate they don't want to be employing after this public embarrassment if they don't want to.

I think that if the witch hunting doesn't stop there needs to be laws preventing the firing of employees for legal behavior conducted on off hours. You might say that employers can then just invent some other reason to fire the employee, and that's true, but it would at least offer some protection by allowing businesses to respond to social media outrage by citing the law. Both small businesses and employees need protection if the PC police won't stop patrolling.

 

[Alebrije]

Another one bites the dust , internet is a risky place to place that stuff.

 

[Metzhara]

I think this is a great post.
This is a conversation we should start having in schools for kids coming into the digital age. The conversation that ownership and responsibility have changed and we need to be aware that Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, all social media forms going forward, are snapshots in a vacuum that do not get the benefit of explanation. I think if we were to talk about this as individuals, unheated and reasonably, we would agree that while some situations just like this have unearthed a hidden personality trait in an individual, we are also lynching persons for ridiculous statements with much less heinous intentions than we fear.
The answer to me doesn't seem to be "Hey, re-envision free speech" or "We should condemn all violations" but rather we should take this time to discuss personal responsibility and reason when using such tools.

We may disagree with such comments we deem sexist, racist, bigoted, insensitive, etc, but I will note we do so through slighted lenses (people still say "retarded" derrogatorily but condemn the use of the word "gay" which is in no small part hypocritical.) Instead, we should use these moments to openly discuss, without close-mindedness to further our own growth.

More on-topic... I really dig SubNautica so it is unfortunate to see this sort of thing. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to let this guy go, but the world we live in placed them in that difficult place. A world where we cannot be sure if what we say will haunt us, whether we feel these things in our core or or merely express a random passing thought.

 

[Remeard]

Dunno what happened here but the post you're quoting here isn't mine (well one of them is, but not this particular one).

Sorry, still not used to the new system.

The thread centered around a post from 2016 that just "resurfaced" last weekend thanks to a segment of the population looking to burn the 2018 version of witches, and the OP's purpose in making it was to discuss how social media is being used for that purpose. He or she specifically avoided going into the justification or lack thereof for the firing in the OP, as did I when participating in the actual thread's intended discussion.

2016 was just barely two years ago, and it's involved on the project that is still not fully released. This isn't something that somebody said back in the 90s, this is the same project, same employers. I mean, clearly you understand that being racist/homophobic/misogynistic is wrong, right? That's a super basic question that I wonder about many people in this thread.


There's something about the younger generation of gamers that grew up around the time of the Breitbart/Gamergate fiasco that lost the basic idea of respect for one another.

 

[strange headache]

But lets not act like the things he said are chorus boy material either. Like why exactly should you or anybody yes be caping up for this fella?

Because I believe that everybody deserves equal rights, no matter if I like him or not. Because I share the humanistic believe that every human being has worth, no matter the views. Because I think that everybody has the right to earn their living... and simply because I would do the same thing for you!

There is something inherently vile and vicious in going after someone's livelihood over a couple of tweets. What if he has a family that depends on him? I simply cannot fathom how anybody could gain pleasure from something like this. That person worked there for over a decade, if he'd really be such a horrible person, I'm sure he would have been fired much earlier.

I share the notion of restorative justice, where punishment is reasonable and measured. A measured response this is not. I also believe that if you truly want to change other people's perspectives, you have to educate, instead of being retributive. No amount of good came out of this, only more pain, suffering and hate and I'm not OK with that.

 

[deadscreensky]

I don't want to comment on whether his firing was warranted or not

Followed by you going on for a couple paragraphs on how he shouldn't have been fired. Okay.

People want freedom of speech but don't want the consequences that come from it. A company is well within their legal right for firing somebody for something like that. I mean, as a business do you want to be tied to someone like that?

Yeah, he posted racist and sexist shit online. Some of these comments were directly related to the game he was working on. His company doesn't want their (explicitly political and arguably liberal) product to be associated with racism or sexism so they got rid of him. Duh. What kind of fragile snowflake thinks they need to be allowed to troll online with zero consequences? This isn't a teenager being dumb here, he was a professional trying to get the world to buy his game while attacking women and non-white people, AKA most of his potential market. Super dumb.

He would have faced similar consequences if he did this on television or in a traditional interview. There's nothing new about speech having consequences. That's part of the reason we have the First Amendment in the first place, it's a recognition of just how powerful speech is and why it needs to be protected from government censorship.

(It's slightly frightening so many people here are downplaying his comments as "silly" but oh well.)

 

[StrategyFan]

I think that if the witch hunting doesn't stop there needs to be laws preventing the firing of employees for legal behavior conducted on off hours. You might say that employers can then just invent some other reason to fire the employee, and that's true, but it would at least offer some protection by allowing businesses to respond to social media outrage by citing the law. Both small businesses and employees need protection if the PC police won't stop patrolling.

expressing views that demonstrate an inability to treat people fairly & respectfully is enough justification to fire

the law allows people to say pretty much anything. using what the law allows as a barometer for appropriate behavior is completely worthless

it's comical to see people act like working on someone else's game is some kind of fundamental right

 

[luxsol]

any social basic rules:

Many great musicians were racist by modern term, and many actors or directors were even criminal (Roman Polansky example), but really we should link their personal life mistakes to their artistic productions?

What does this awesome song have anything to do with your post? And seeing its music video almost makes me want to dislike the song.

And yeah, the guy's dumb. A business has every right to fire someone if they make any remarks that makes them look bad or makes other employees uncomfortable. At the very least, he could have gotten a warning, but maybe they already did.

As for people attacking the company and the fact that they had to dig out an oldass comment? WHY. People doing shit like that are awful.


I don't get why people feel the need to link everything that they say to their real life identity. I used to be really open about who i was, what i did, and where i lived (and thankfully I've never said anything horrible, except maybe not to hang around blown up shit), but i never bothered to fill out the forms again or make new stuff public, because i started noticing that people were starting to get harassed for just really really stupid shit, like not liking the same shit as them. Seeing people dig up comments like this is just as bad.
The new internet is scary and awful.

Also, i like eating at Chik-fil-A.

 

[NickFire]

Sorry, still not used to the new system.



2016 was just barely two years ago, and it's involved on the project that is still not fully released. This isn't something that somebody said back in the 90s, this is the same project, same employers. I mean, clearly you understand that being racist/homophobic/misogynistic is wrong, right? That's a super basic question that I wonder about many people in this thread.


There's something about the younger generation of gamers that grew up around the time of the Breitbart/Gamergate fiasco that lost the basic idea of respect for one another.

LOL. Assume I'm young and call me racist via a passive aggressive question you wonder about. Classic and expected. But no, Being against the Lynch mob mentality from any side is not endorsing abhorrent views. Believe it or not there are a ton of center of the road people who are sick of that crap from the far ends of both sides on the political spectrum. And who want to see things become normal again where people argue to no end but still keep things in proper perspective.

And suggesting someone is endorsing them when they absolutely are not are the signs of someone without legitimate arguments. Let's spin this a different way though - are you in favor of children being evicted when their parents can't afford rent, and in favor of said children becoming food stamp dependent for nutrition because their parent said something stupid on Twitter two years ago? And in favor of said children becoming taunted at school for their parent's transgressions while all that is going on? Clearly you must be if you ever took into account t what life might be like for the kids of people who tell tastless jokes or say stupid crap. Right?