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[Remeard]

LOL. Assume I’m young and call me racist via a passive aggressive question you wonder about. Classic and expected. But no, Being against the Lynch mob mentality from any side is not endorsing abhorrent views. Believe it or not there are a ton of center of the road people who are sick of that crap from the far ends of both sides on the political spectrum. And who want to see things become normal again where people argue to no end but still keep things in proper perspective.

And suggesting someone is endorsing them when they absolutely are not are the signs of someone without legitimate arguments. Let’s spin this a different way though - are you in favor of children being evicted when their parents can’t afford rent, and in favor of said children becoming food stamp dependent for nutrition because their parent said something stupid on Twitter two years ago? And in favor of said children becoming taunted at school for their parent’s transgressions while all that is going on? Clearly you must be if you ever took into account t what life might be like for the kids of people who tell tastless jokes or say stupid crap. Right?

It's a legitimate question I have, especially seeing so many people having the same view point on a gaming forum. It's not mob mentality, it's common sense. Should they have gotten rid of the guy or spoken to him then? Absolutely, but they're not going to micromanage and follow each employee's twitter account or their every day moments in the work place. But when it comes out, you have to address it. This company chose to fire him.

Sure, it's never an ideal situation that someone gets fired for any reason. But it's also not an ideal situation to work with someone who is sexist/misogynistic/racist/etc. That's like saying it's never okay to fire anyone ever - surely you see the absurdity.

 

[InterMusketeer]

But it's also not an ideal situation to work with someone who is sexist/misogynistic/racist/etc.

If the only reason they found out about his views, was because some old tweets were found and brought to their attention, I don't think this person was awful to his co-workers or anything. I don't think anyone would have an issue if this guy acted like a racist/sexist asshole to his co-workers and got fired for that reason.

 

[NickFire]

It's a legitimate question I have, especially seeing so many people having the same view point on a gaming forum. It's not mob mentality, it's common sense. Should they have gotten rid of the guy or spoken to him then? Absolutely, but they're not going to micromanage and follow each employee's twitter account or their every day moments in the work place. But when it comes out, you have to address it. This company chose to fire him.

Sure, it's never an ideal situation that someone gets fired for any reason. But it's also not an ideal situation to work with someone who is sexist/misogynistic/racist/etc. That's like saying it's never okay to fire anyone ever - surely you see the absurdity.

How about an answer to the question? Are you ok with Twitter mobs making children homeless, dependent on welfare, and ridiculed because of a tweet from two years ago?

 

[A.Romero]

The problem I see with this is that the company didn't do it to promote a better work environment but for fear of the hyper sensitive mobs. As a society we need to grow some balls and understand that dissidence is not only healthy but necessary for us to grow.

Free speech is a basic need for humanity if we want to improve. We agree that discrimination, sexism and other stuff are not healthy and we should be careful about not falling in the same mistakes we made as a society in past years but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't tolerate people with different opinions. We have to keep in mind that if it wasn't because as a society we spoke about different issues, everything would still be the same. Some ideas that are taken as positive today were frowned upon a few decades back. The only reason that stuff is not seen as negative today it's because we talked about it and in some cases we even fought about it.

There is stuff that's obviously not cool but even in those cases, who are we as individuals to judge? Ideas need to flow freely, even if it's perceived as hateful. Otherwise we are taking the risk of shutting down progress right of the bat, just because the status quo doesn't like it (and as you probably know, the status quo doesn't like stuff changing).

I wish people would see that if we get use to censor stuff we don't like, tomorrow the majority could be place on the other side of the spectrum and because society will be used to crush dissidence no one will bat an eye when really important things are compromised.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Someone posting insensitive things can inadvertently lower the reputation of a company they work for and arguably represent. I can understand why they got fired.

This should more or less be a lesson about oversharing and being on social media too much. I'm sure if every single person used Twitter ad nauseum, we could dig through any given profile and find some insensitive, problematic posts.

This is where I am as well but I still think it's somewhat sad that someone can be fired for tweeting some unrelated and mild stuff (I can definitely see how it was offensive to some, but let's be honest here, it was pretty mild).

I do however deeply dislike witch hunts and the idiotic excuse that "it's just criticism" needs to get out of my house.

 

[ExpandKong]

I can see the problem with that in theory, yes. But lets not act like the things he said are chorus boy material either. Like why exactly should you or anybody yes be caping up for this fella?

Not for him, no. I haven’t played the game and I can’t say whether or not his contribution was worthwhile enough to be upset about as a fan (though his bosses must’ve thought he did good work, since they kept him around until the game was out of early-release).

I’m just worried about online lynch mobs having this kind of influence. They’ve already made it clear that they think doxing and harassment of people and their employers is reprehensible - but only if that person is on “their side.” So who’s to say what the criteria for being on their side is gonna be tomorrow, or a week from now, etc?

So really the only option is to stay off social media altogether, lest someone with too much free time two years from now combs through your post history, finds something to which they take offense, and decides to ruin your life over it.

 

[Remeard]

How about an answer to the question? Are you ok with Twitter mobs making children homeless, dependent on welfare, and ridiculed because of a tweet from two years ago?

I'm certainly fine with a business firing somebody for being sexist/racist/etc on a project. I don't see how my last post was any different than what I'm saying now.

 

[Moneal]

I'm wondering if the company had any social media policy in place when the tweets were made. If not, he could definitely sue for wrongful termination.

 

[PtM]

I just can't agree with that. No employer should have power over what you do in your free time. I won't accept that, because it's inherently wrong.

How about instead if caving to any vocal outrage on the internet, companies teach people that they're not entitled to telling companies who to fire?

And lastly, you claim that companies only fire people who post offensive stuff. That's not true. While I'm left-liberal myself, I'm not blind: most people who get fired are conservatives. When treatment is so one-side, it's just not right. The crazy left has the power to tell companies to fire right-leaning people. That's just wrong.

Someone gets fired over an innocuous posting, yet someone can post 'I've never met a white person that wasn't racist' and that's okay. :/

One can make the argument that Rapp got fired for being sexually progressive. That it's too much power in the hand of the crazy right, blah blah. Whatever fits the narrative.
In the end it was the guy who got himself fired, regardless of how bad some of you want to shoot the messenger.

 

[KevinKeene]

Because I believe that everybody deserves equal rights, no matter if I like him or not. Because I share the humanistic believe that every human being has worth, no matter the views. Because I think that everybody has the right to earn their living... and simply because I would do the same thing for you!

There is something inherently vile and vicious in going after someone's livelihood over a couple of tweets. What if he has a family that depends on him? I simply cannot fathom how anybody could gain pleasure from something like this. That person worked there for over a decade, if he'd really be such a horrible person, I'm sure he would have been fired much earlier.

I share the notion of restorative justice, where punishment is reasonable and measured. A measured response this is not. I also believe that if you truly want to change other people's perspectives, you have to educate, instead of being retributive. No amount of good came out of this, only more pain, suffering and hate and I'm not OK with that.

This is a great posting, thank you.

I, too, think that nobody deserves to be ruined just for his views. People don't seem to understand the consequences. It's easy to dye your hair turquoise and type outraged comments on the internet. But losing one's job over such comments? A job is most people'd center pillar in life. It's what everything else revolves around (which is sad, but that's for another discussion). And you keyboard warriors won't hesitate to crush this pillar, only because some random person you've never heard of before posted something offensive/mean on twitter or elsewhere. This is effed up.

It's especially gross when you think about the end game here. So you ruin someone's life for being a racist (at least that's what you assumed from one tweet). What now? What do you expect that person to do now? Do you expect him to have an epiphany now and become a better person ('better' in your eyes)? Because that's not what's going to happen. Instead this person will radicalize, will harbor deep rooted hatred against you. He will become someone that shouldn't be running around freely anymore. And that's ok. Because that's what you really want: Fuck those 'deplorables', get them 'away', we don't need them. Out of my sight! No empathy for them! An eye for an eye. And 20 years from now, these people are gathered in so-called concentration- eh, I mean, focus camps. And all the good people can finally live in peace.

:/

Step back. Realize the consequences. Show empathy. Be good towards everyone. That would be a much better attitude. Not 'off with his head!' over a mean tweet.

 

[Alx]

This is where you are just dead wrong. It's not only conservatives that get fired for things that they say and do on social media. People of ALL political or non-political persuasion get fired for those things.

I know that work laws differ from country to country, but I think it's morally wrong whatever the political orientation of the person. You're not supposed to fire someone for his political views, however despicable they can be.
The issue being of course "those views can hurt the image of the company", but that's where things need to be clear both on the company's end and the person's communication. In short it should be like with DVD audio commentaries, with a disclaimer "all comments are the actor's own opinion and don't reflect the publisher's" or something like that. On a private social account, an employee shouldn't be allowed to display his company's name, or do it with such a disclaimer "everything stated here is my own opinion and doesn't reflect etc.". On the other hand the company can have its professional account, and anything posted here would obviously have consequences if crossing the line.

What does this awesome song have anything to do with your post?

The singer, Bertrand Cantat, has been jailed for beating his wife/mistress to death. I suppose it was meant to be an example of "separate the artist from his work".

 

[Sakura]

I don't think he should be fired unless he had been talked to and continued doing it anyway.
But at the same time, I don't understand why people keep posting this shit on social media, even though you constantly hear stories of others getting in trouble or losing their job for the same thing.

 

[alken]

What does this awesome song have anything to do with your post? And seeing its music video almost makes me want to dislike the song.

nowdays in europe there is thi social warrior attentiont to "feminicide" ,.
I agree on topic that even shout loud to a woman is wrong.
BUT
the feminists are like attacking any related to feminicide like nazi burining any book related to jews.
the video is related because of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Cantat#Murder_of_Marie_Trintignant,_arrest,_and_imprisonment
the band and the song are very nice from a musical point of view, but since the facts they kinda put on a stop from airing from many media and radio.
till today still is difficult to hear this nice song .
this is way I posted it.

 

[llien]

I can't quite follow the "hide your opinion" camp.
It's either OK to have such opinion or it's not.

 

[llien]

It isn't only twitter and co, private conversations too, if heard by 3rd party:
(nobody got fired in this incident)



(two were fired in this one)
http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcom...onference-including-woman-who-complained.html

 

[ilfait]

expressing views that demonstrate an inability to treat people fairly & respectfully is enough justification to fire

the law allows people to say pretty much anything. using what the law allows as a barometer for appropriate behavior is completely worthless

it's comical to see people act like working on someone else's game is some kind of fundamental right

We use our own individual code of ethics, our own experience, morality and intellect and feeling, as a barometer for our own behaviour. And law, when it's just and good--as much as I wish it didn't need to exist--is there to protect our ability to exercise what it means to be human; to protect ourselves from being subject to unelected mob rule and might makes right. If you happen to find that your behaviour and thoughts always align with the whims of the SJW, or with the Q'uran, or with the company you work for; or if you don't have much strength of character or need of individuality to begin with; then that's well and good for you, but not everyone is that way.

 

[luxsol]

The singer, Bertrand Cantat, has been jailed for beating his wife/mistress to death. I suppose it was meant to be an example of "separate the artist from his work".

Oh geez, that's fuckawful.
Its been years since i actually paid much attention to who the singers are for the songs i like, and things like this is why i started avoiding even music videos.
Of course, it's almost impossible to avoid it completely because of how it's promoted, but here's me just learning about this even though i've had that song for about a year already... and i still don't knwo what he's singing about.
Thanks for tainting my enjoyment of that awesome song.

But yeah, I'm not going to boycott this band or the record label just because of what he did. What the hell is the point of attacking them when they're not even accomplices or accessories? It's about as dumb as boycotting ChikfilA or getting insulted for eating there, even when i disagree with murder or giving money to antigay stuff. even with horrible people like Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, people who feel they're above the law, it's hard to justify a boycott for their work. Much easier and better to keep seeking justice for their victims by spreading the word about their guilt.

I can't quite follow the "hide your opinion" camp.

Ever heard of tolerance?
If a guy can hate certain people but keeps his mouth shut and treat them fairly, would he be a bad person? Actions speak louder than words.
I've known some really racist as fuck people, like only speaking shit in private, but damn if he wasn't all sunshine to everyone in public. It's usually just strawmen that they hate, not the actual everyday people they meet. It's kinda like knowing a guy with a murder-fantasy, but he never actually does anything. You keep your eye on them, just in case.

 

[lensoftruth]

It's not free speech if there are consequences

Hahaha, what?

 

[Valdega]

I can't quite follow the "hide your opinion" camp.
It's either OK to have such opinion or it's not.

Who decides which opinions are okay? What happens to those that hold differing opinions? If sharing your opinion can get you fired because people disagree with you, that's a valid reason to hide your opinion. You aren't going to change your opinion just because some people think it isn't "OK."

 

[VertigoOA]

Do you have some receipts for this prostitution talk? Preferably not some guy on YouTube?

Her backpage escort ads for her and her boyfriend were shared when this was a thing. I saw them myself at the time. I doubt they were posted here. She was and perhaps still is an escort. I'm sure there are more dedicated folk that can still find them or have it archived somewhere. Totally understandable that she was fired from what is still generally perceived as being a children's toy company.

 

[VertigoOA]

PS - a simple google search on the issue will bring up a good amount of detective work on the issue. I won't post links...

However... she's kinda hot. I'm don't care if she moonlight as a hooker personally but it's easy to see the conflict of interest as an employee of Nintendo but slightly off topic ... I'd totally contemplate dropping two hundred bucks to nail her -- she has a pretty great ass.

 

[KevinKeene]

PS - a simple google search on the issue will bring up a good amount of detective work on the issue. I won't post links...

However... she's kinda hot. I'm don't care if she moonlight as a hooker personally but it's easy to see the conflict of interest as an employee of Nintendo but slightly off topic ... I'd totally contemplate dropping two hundred bucks to nail her -- she has a pretty great ass.

Lol

 

[bati]

PS - a simple google search on the issue will bring up a good amount of detective work on the issue. I won't post links...

However... she's kinda hot. I'm don't care if she moonlight as a hooker personally but it's easy to see the conflict of interest as an employee of Nintendo but slightly off topic ... I'd totally contemplate dropping two hundred bucks to nail her -- she has a pretty great ass.

Dude, what? I get that standards are a little more lax around here after the mod team shuffle but try to keep some tact, yeah?

 

[VertigoOA]

Pretty sure those images and advertisements were meant to solicit similar responses.

 

[Sarkozix le Gaulois]

Well, I was going to buy Subnautica, because some of my friends told me I would probably love it...not anymore I guess.

Im usually against boycotting games or movies, but not this time. This shit has gone too far.

And fuck RetardEra, fuck those Twitter keyboard warriors for ruining a man's career because they have nothing to do.

 

[drotahorror]

Who decides which opinions are okay? What happens to those that hold differing opinions? If sharing your opinion can get you fired because people disagree with you, that's a valid reason to hide your opinion. You aren't going to change your opinion just because some people think it isn't "OK."

Chylinski responded to this back in 2016, saying: "we need a 'diversity' slider in the options. It will make the character progessively [sic] whiter more manly [sic] and less sexy".

This opinion is ok. If it's joking or trashing white males then that's fine. It's strange, a lot of shit people say, if you change black > white, female > male, muslim > christian, you're fine.

That's the thing to me that's really fucked. "Racism" and being sexist only goes 1 way. You can't criticize a minority or a female without being labeled racist or sexist. Talk shit about white people and that's A-Ok. If you hold any sort of conservative opinion you're far-right and a white nationalist. It's literally insanity in this climate right now.

If I'm treading some sort of line around here with my thoughts on this, then feel free to tell me to tone it down @ mods. I'm not trying to get banned or anything. My entire time here has remained silent on all subjects regarding anything controversial.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

I think that if the witch hunting doesn't stop there needs to be laws preventing the firing of employees for legal behavior conducted on off hours. You might say that employers can then just invent some other reason to fire the employee, and that's true, but it would at least offer some protection by allowing businesses to respond to social media outrage by citing the law. Both small businesses and employees need protection if the PC police won't stop patrolling.

The last thing we need is the government forcing businesses to employ people who hurt their business. Madness.

 

[KevinKeene]

The last thing we need is the government forcing businesses to employ people who hurt their business. Madness.

Yeah, someone gotta protect those poor companies from ... people. !!1

:/

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Yeah, someone gotta protect those poor companies from ... people. !!1

:/

What a stupid response. Moar nanny state is not a solution to every problem, and most definitely not this one. The vast majority of businesses are small businesses and, yeah, we deserve the right to choose whom to employ. I have no idea what on earth makes you believe that my business should be forced by law to suffer if one of my employees were to ever do or say something stupid enough to cause that to happen. You're not thinking this through.

 

[NickFire]

I'm certainly fine with a business firing somebody for being sexist/racist/etc on a project. I don't see how my last post was any different than what I'm saying now.

It’s not and neither answers the actual question. You know well that I am not denying a business can fire someone, yet you attacked me and called me a racist. But My issue is with Twitter mobs essentially doxing people of the opposite political spectrum, and causing devastation to their victims and their spouses and children at the same time. Have some courage. You are brave enought o throw out the racist card, so please, tell us, are you ok with Twitter mobs doxing people so that their children suffer for such horrible transgressions of their parents as making poor comments? Are children of wrong thinkers worthy of a comfortable life or do we need to punish them for the sins of their parents?

 

[llien]

Who decides which opinions are okay? What happens to those that hold differing opinions? If sharing your opinion can get you fired because people disagree with you, that's a valid reason to hide your opinion. You aren't going to change your opinion just because some people think it isn't "OK."

Well, he was singled out for:

1) sarcastic comment on diversity in games ("progressive" slider)
2) opposing immigration from "third world" countries (this term originally meant "neither with commies nor with NATO")
3) joking about gender pay gap
4) used term "SJW logic"
UPDATE:
5) "helicopter" references (a way to mock transgender people, as far as I see, pardon my ignorance)

Now, some or all of these is, apparently, very dangerous for one's career.
It might be good to know which exactly, as, pay gap, for instance, is up for discussions on GAF 2.0.
Opposing immigration is not something unheard of in USA or UK either.

 

[MisterR]

Source: www.gamesindustry.biz

I don't want to comment on whether his firing was warranted or not, but it seems to me as if twitter is increasingly becoming a liability with many of its users being out for blood. Were the developer's tweets 'insensitive' enough to be fired? Maybe, but I certainly can't conclude to his whole personality just by a couple of silly tweets. What people say, what they really think and what they actually do are vastly different things sometimes. But nowadays a couple of tweets suffice to be quickly judged and condemned by the public eye.

It seems to me as if social-media is giving way too much power to public opinion. We're all aware of the fact that large groups of people tend to be vastly hysterical. While a vocal minority of power-tripping twitter-addicts cries outrage at every silly little thing and decides the fate of individuals, the silent majority has better things to do than browsing through other people's social-media accounts.

You are a representative of your company when you are posting on social media. If you chose to post they kind of messages he was posting, then it's highly likely your company will no longer want you to represent them.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Era was celebrating this like they were drunk with power. It was absolutely fucking vile.

 

[Petrae]

You are a representative of your company when you are posting on social media. If you chose to post they kind of messages he was posting, then it's highly likely your company will no longer want you to represent them.

I know that people don’t want to believe this, but it’s 100% accurate. Once you make the mistake of linking your social media identity to your employer, you’re no longer speaking on just your own behalf— foolish “these posts are my own and not my employer’s” disclaimers be damned.

You don’t have to be on the clock to do something that reflects on your employer in either a positive or negative way. That’s why it’s best to not make that link in your social media accounts. Don’t risk it; there’s too much at stake.

 

[MisterR]

It's not free speech if there are consequences. Otherwise I'd have to assume we also have 'free murder'. Sure, I have to go to jail, but I can murder you. Your definition of free speech is a very detached, philosophical one. One that's worthless for all practicalities.

You're definition of free speech is beyond ignorant. What free speech means is that you can't be stopped by the government from speaking freely by being put in jail or detained over speech. It doesn't mean there are no consequences for what you say.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I am trying to remember the last time I witnessed or participated in any discussion on free speech that did not involve disparaging remarks about women and minorities.

In other words and, it seems to me that discussions concerning Free Speech only take place in defense of asshattery in the private sector.

When's the last time we read a story about someone losing their job because they were to complimentary? Would not be overly critical or condescending? Always accommodating?

On the contrary, negativity breeds negative results.

 

[llien]

You are a representative of your company when you are posting on social media. If you chose to post they kind of messages he was posting, then it's highly likely your company will no longer want you to represent them.

I was rather undecided, but reading more into it, and given he linked to his company openly, I find that the decision was right.

What free speech means if that you can't be stopped by the government from speaking freely..

I keep hearing this, but free speech has nothing to do with nuances in US constitution.
It is a fundamental human right and is about ability to express yourself, without any references to who exactly is there who is not allowed to stop you from doing so.

 

[Beard of the Forest]

This opinion is ok. If it's joking or trashing white males then that's fine. It's strange, a lot of shit people say, if you change black > white, female > male, muslim > christian, you're fine.

That's the thing to me that's really fucked. "Racism" and being sexist only goes 1 way. You can't criticize a minority or a female without being labeled racist or sexist. Talk shit about white people and that's A-Ok. If you hold any sort of conservative opinion you're far-right and a white nationalist. It's literally insanity in this climate right now.

If I'm treading some sort of line around here with my thoughts on this, then feel free to tell me to tone it down @ mods. I'm not trying to get banned or anything. My entire time here has remained silent on all subjects regarding anything controversial.

Nothing bannable about what you're saying here. We're trying to help ensure more voices can be heard now on Neogaf.

Well, I was going to buy Subnautica, because some of my friends told me I would probably love it...not anymore I guess.

Im usually against boycotting games or movies, but not this time. This shit has gone too far.

And fuck RetardEra, fuck those Twitter keyboard warriors for ruining a man's career because they have nothing to do.

Era was celebrating this like they were drunk with power. It was absolutely fucking vile.

Let's try not to get too caught up in ERA stuff. They're gonna do what they're gonna do and we should just be thankful that they're done here.

 

[NickFire]

You're definition of free speech is beyond ignorant. What free speech means is that you can't be stopped by the government from speaking freely by being put in jail or detained over speech. It doesn't mean there are no consequences for what you say.

Accusing someone of being ignorant for believing the constitution means something different to them is awfully ironic. The constitution means different things to different people, including to different courts over the years. Show me where it says the government must pay for a lawyer. Or where it says a woman can have an abortion. You can’t because it doesn’t. Those provisions were added by implication because left leaning judges said it means those are required.

So tired of this line of attack on individual freedoms with such righteous indignation for anyone who feels differently. What people are saying is the spirit of the free speech protections are under attack by a segment of the country who has learned to replace government as oppressor with corporate employers. Considering how the left uses the argument there’s nothing wrong with employers forcing left wing views on employees, I find it hysterically hypocritical for them to also complain the corporations donate billions to campaigns.

 

[MisterR]

I keep hearing this, but free speech has nothing to do with nuances in US constitution.
It is a fundamental human right and is about ability to express yourself, without any references to who exactly is there who is not allowed to stop you from doing so.

It's nice that you have this as a personal philosophy, but it has nothing to do with US law. There is no law protecting your speech from consequences from private citizens and companies.

 

[MisterR]

So tired of this line of attack on individual freedoms with such righteous indignation for anyone who feels differently. What people are saying is the spirit of the free speech protections are under attack by a segment of the country who has learned to replace government as oppressor with corporate employers.

There is no spirit of free speech. There is, has been and always will be consequences for free speech.

 

[NickFire]

There is no spirit of free speech. There is, has been and always will be consequences for free speech.

That’s you’re opinion du jour and nothing else. The constitutional rights provided for by the bill of rights are open for interpretation as they always has been. At least until a Supreme Court consisting of people who believe in the exact text and nothing else come to sit on the bench.

 

[llien]

It's nice that you have this as a personal philosophy, but it has nothing to do with US law

It is, perhaps, US constitution that "protects from the government".

There is no reference like that in UN's Human Rights declaration.
Article 19:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Global platforms, such as twitter/FB/google being able to to censor (what you are trying to effectively justify) at will is against it.

 

[MisterR]

That’s you’re opinion du jour and nothing else. The constitutional rights provided for by the bill of rights are open for interpretation as they always has been. At least until a Supreme Court consisting of people who believe in the exact text and nothing else come to sit on the bench.

What the hell are you even talking about? There are clearly consequences for your speech. This very thread is pointing them out. You keep dreaming your pipe dream. Maybe one day you'll be able to say whatever you want with no consequences. But that will be a first.

 

[MisterR]

It is, perhaps, US constitution that "protects from the government".

There is no reference like that in UN's Human Rights declaration.
Article 19:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Global platforms, such as twitter/FB/google being able to to censor (what you are trying to effectively justify) at will is against it.

You still have that right. That UN Human Rights quote doesn't say you won't suffer any consequences for what you say. It says you have the freedom to this opinion and expression. That doesn't mean you won't suffer any consequences. It just means you won't have to go to jail for holding these opinions or expressing them. Twitter/FB/google are private companies. They can allow or not allow whatever they want on their platforms.

 

[llien]

It says you have the freedom to this opinion and expression. That doesn't mean you won't suffer any consequences.

It actually does, that is the whole point of it.

One could go out and state his opinion in Stalin's USSR, it's the consequences that was the problem.

PS
I can't believe we are seriously discussing it.

 

[MisterR]

It actually does, that is the whole point of it.

One could go out and state his opinion in Stalin's USSR, it's the consequences that was the problem.

PS
I can't believe we are seriously discussing it.

Yes, the consequences were the Government putting you in a concentration camp in Siberia. They weren't you losing your job. Free Speech protection, protects you from government action, not a company not wanting to be associated with your views. I can't believe we are seriously discussing this either, when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[llien]

Yes, the consequences were the Government putting you in a concentration camp in Siberia. They weren't you losing your job.

So, nowaday's Russia, someone says stuff Putin wouldn't like, get's fired by a private company. No problem?

Free Speech protection, protects you from government action

Citation needed.

 

[Moneal]

I am trying to remember the last time I witnessed or participated in any discussion on free speech that did not involve disparaging remarks about women and minorities.

In other words and, it seems to me that discussions concerning Free Speech only take place in defense of asshattery in the private sector.

When's the last time we read a story about someone losing their job because they were to complimentary? Would not be overly critical or condescending? Always accommodating?

On the contrary, negativity breeds negative results.

Because no one is getting fired for saying all whites are racist.

 

[grumpyGamer]

This is a great posting, thank you.

I, too, think that nobody deserves to be ruined just for his views. People don't seem to understand the consequences. It's easy to dye your hair turquoise and type outraged comments on the internet. But losing one's job over such comments? A job is most people'd center pillar in life. It's what everything else revolves around (which is sad, but that's for another discussion). And you keyboard warriors won't hesitate to crush this pillar, only because some random person you've never heard of before posted something offensive/mean on twitter or elsewhere. This is effed up.

It's especially gross when you think about the end game here. So you ruin someone's life for being a racist (at least that's what you assumed from one tweet). What now? What do you expect that person to do now? Do you expect him to have an epiphany now and become a better person ('better' in your eyes)? Because that's not what's going to happen. Instead this person will radicalize, will harbor deep rooted hatred against you. He will become someone that shouldn't be running around freely anymore. And that's ok. Because that's what you really want: Fuck those 'deplorables', get them 'away', we don't need them. Out of my sight! No empathy for them! An eye for an eye. And 20 years from now, these people are gathered in so-called concentration- eh, I mean, focus camps. And all the good people can finally live in peace.

:/

Step back. Realize the consequences. Show empathy. Be good towards everyone. That would be a much better attitude. Not 'off with his head!' over a mean tweet.

I would like to see those ignorant people do the stupid witch hunt in real life, while watching the consequences of their actions and showing theire face to the public.
They are lazy only do this shit because its at home on the keyboard, coward people.
Great Post man, really feel your anger