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Suda Goichi talks games/movies inspirations at Nordic Game Conference

We spoke with No More Heroes creator Goichi Suda (a.k.a. Suda 51) early on at the Nordic Game Conference in Malmö, Sweden, but when it came time for his scheduled presentation, titled "The Birth of No More Heroes," we made sure to be in attendance. Luckily, it didn't disappoint, as Suda delivered a multimedia presentation of the many diverse films that inspired some of his games -- most notably last year's No More Heroes.

Suda started by noting a couple of key films that inspired previous works. His 1999 import-only PSone adventure, The Silver Case (currently being remade for the DS), was inspired by Nouvelle Vague, a 1990 French film directed by Jean-Luc Godard about a female hitchhiker taken in by a rich man. He later took inspiration from the 1973 Japanese yakuza film Battles without Honor or Humanity: Hiroshima Deathmatch for one of his best-known titles, 2005's Killer 7.

When it came to No More Heroes, Suda showed clips from no fewer than six films that directly inspired some aspect of the game design; though some of the included flicks might surprise you. Suda played a clip from Jackass: The Movie of Johnny Knoxville being beaten up by pro boxer Butterbean in a Japanese clothing store first, and explained that Knoxville's antics helped provide a basis for NMH protagonist Travis Touchdown. Later, when discussing specific inspirations for several of the game's characters, he showed another clip from Jackass in which a baby alligator bites Knoxville's nipple for some time. Suda said he showed this particular clip to his team regularly, claiming, "I wanted my staff to understand the kind of person that Travis is."

Beyond Jackass: The Movie, Suda noted that Mel Brooks' sci-fi spoof Spaceballs -- not Star Wars -- provided inspiration for Travis' beam katana weapon, while Takashi Miike's Japanese cult film Gozu apparently provided the name Beef Head, the store owned by the Bishop character. Beyond that, Suda simply said, "[Gozu is] a great movie, so if you want to see it, please do," and also, "It's a shocking one." Additionally, the hotel setting of Christopher Nolan's Memento provided the basis for the hotel in No More Heroes, while the grander city setting of Santa Destroy was partially based on the version of San Diego depicted in the Clint Eastwood action classic, Dirty Harry. Grasshopper Manufacture developers even traveled to San Diego to capture elements of the area, though Suda said the film was very helpful for ideas, since the team was usually so far removed from the U.S. city. [Editor's note: Yes, we know that Dirty Harry takes place in San Francisco, but we checked our transcript, and yes, the conference translator, Suda's personal trainer, and even Suda himself said "San Diego." We're going to assume this is a minor gaffe, or maybe Grasshopper really did accidentally go to San Diego, thinking that's where Dirty Harry took place.] Finally, Suda said the bizarre, low-budget 1971 Spanish film El Topo provided the concept of having a set number of assassins to defeat -- though the movie and game vary widely in this respect (it's three in the film and 10 in the game).

But that's not all -- Suda also revealed which specific actors or athletes served as the basis for several of No More Heroes' supporting characters. While Travis is mainly based on Johnny Knoxville, he was also partially based on for UFC/Pride champ Josh Barnett, who also served as the primary basis for character Destroyman. Sylvia was modeled after actress Scarlett Johansson, Henry got his looks from late Joy Division singer Ian Curtis, assassin Dr. Peace was inspired by actor Charles Bronson, and character Thunder Ryu was modeled after Japanese pro wrestler Genichiro Tenryu.

Even the two fake anime series in the game were based on real-life ones, with "Glastonbury" inspired by the 1980 series Space Runaway Ideon, and "Bizarre Jelly" based on the 2004 series Pretty Cure. Suda also said that the work Grasshopper did on a pair of anime-based titles -- Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked and Blood: One Night Kiss (a Japan-only title) -- led towards the development of No More Heroes, and that the three games form a "sword action trilogy."

Assuming the upcoming No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle contains even half as many interesting new characters as the original, then we'll hopefully get an encore presentation from Suda in a year or two regarding the numerous disparate influences for that game.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174330

And for the lazy :

Games :

"The Silver Case" - "Nouvelle Vague"
"Killer 7" - "Battles without Honor or Humanity: Hiroshima Deathmatch"
"No More Heroes" - "Jackass: The Movie", "Spaceballs", "Gozu", "Memento", "Dirty Harry", "El Topo"

Characters :

Travis Touchdown : Johnny Knoxville
Destroyman : Josh Barnett (UFC fighter)
Sylvia : Scarlett Johansson
Henry : Ian Curtis (Joy Division singer)
Dr. Peace : Charles Bronson
Thunder Ryu : Genichiro Tenryu (Japanese pro-wrestler)
Glastonbury : Space Runaway Ideon
Bizarre Jelly : Pretty Cure



I'll be honest : I haven't watched half of these movies. However, I'd definitely be interested in learning more about these, or watch some of them to try to catch a glimpse of what in these movies inspired the games. "Gozu" for example could be a fun one to watch...
The Jingi Naki Tatakai/Battle Without Honor and Humanity Series (which inspired Killer 7) could also be interesting to watch especially since, IIRC, "BWHaH : Hiroshima Deathmatch" is also the main inspiration behind No More Heroes 2.

Oh, and regarding the article, I loved this bit by the way :

[Editor's note: Yes, we know that Dirty Harry takes place in San Francisco, but we checked our transcript, and yes, the conference translator, Suda's personal trainer, and even Suda himself said "San Diego." We're going to assume this is a minor gaffe, or maybe Grasshopper really did accidentally go to San Diego, thinking that's where Dirty Harry took place.]

Now that'd be "Oh, so Suda" :lol .
 

Dascu

Member
Guess I'll have to check out Gozu, Nouvelle Vague and Battles Without Honor and Humanity: Hiroshima Deathmatch. I was actually already planning on watching those last two. I believe he mentioned the French New Wave was also an inspiration for NMH.


But that's not all -- Suda also revealed which specific actors or athletes served as the basis for several of No More Heroes' supporting characters. While Travis is mainly based on Johnny Knoxville, he was also partially based on for UFC/Pride champ Josh Barnett, who also served as the primary basis for character Destroyman. Sylvia was modeled after actress Scarlett Johansson, Henry got his looks from late Joy Division singer Ian Curtis, assassin Dr. Peace was inspired by actor Charles Bronson, and character Thunder Ryu was modeled after Japanese pro wrestler Genichiro Tenryu.
:bow Suda :bow
 

twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
I think I said this once, but it bears repeating.

Is it sad that I never sat through the original Star Wars trilogy, yet I've seen Spaceballs at least two hundred times and can quote it at will?
 
Odd, I thought I saw more inspiration from Miike's acclaimed films in Killer 7 than in No More Heroes; still:

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Oh, so Suda.
 

Haruspex

Banned
He seems to take a lot of cues from the Japanese New Wave too, I mean if you play Flower, Sun and Rain an entire section of the gameis lifted straight from The Profound Desire of the Gods by Imamura Shohei. Not to mention the name and role of Toriko in FSR is taken from the film, and Sumio has a very similar role as the 'engineer' of the film Mr Kariya. I have the film The Sun's Burial by Nagisa Oshima on my shelf waiting to be watched and I'm sure he used elements from that in Killer7, just by reading about it.

He's certainly an intelligent guy.
 
Haruspex said:
He seems to take a lot of cues from the Japanese New Wave too, I mean if you play Flower, Sun and Rain an entire section of the gameis lifted straight from The Profound Desire of the Gods by Imamura Shohei. Not to mention the name and role of Toriko in FSR is taken from the film, and Sumio has a very similar role as the 'engineer' of the film Mr Kariya. I have the film The Sun's Burial by Nagisa Oshima on my shelf waiting to be watched and I'm sure he used elements from that in Killer7, just by reading about it.

He's certainly an intelligent guy.
Very smart man indeed.
By the way, given that I'll get my hands on Flower Sun and Rain for the first time in a few days, I think it will be interesting for me to see how I 'll manage to "get" this notoriously obscure game. For one, I'll probably miss most of the references such as the kind you mentioned here, though admittedly, this didn't stop me from enjoying every Suda/Grasshopper game I've played so far... Really looking forward to trying it out anyway.
 

Ridley327

Member
samratty said:
Suda likes El Topo eh? Cool! Make a film influenced by The Holy Mountain, Suda!

I'm fairly certain that if this were to happen, it'd get an AO rating and no publisher would ever want to work with Suda ever again.

On the other hand, lactating jaguar heads.
 
So it was not directly inspired by Star Wars but by its movie parody. Would have never thought of that. Good move Suda, good move.

And NMH 2 is an inspiration of Terminator 2, or so it seems seing the trailer.
 

Christine

Member
The San Diego/San Francisco confusion would definitely explain a lot about the feel of Santa Destroy... of course the Jersey plates are still a mystery.
 

Dascu

Member
Night_Trekker said:
Yeah, he's one of the only people working in the industry that really gives me hope for true creativity in gaming.
Indeed. He's one of the few game developers that I would actually deem "intelligent". His creativity goes beyond aping the latest Hollywood blockbuster.
 
I love Suda. I loved No More Heroes and Killer7 was a very unique and fun experience. I'm looking forward to picking up Flower, Sun, and Rain DS in June. His creativity and expression is something gaming really needs. It may not always be great, but it's something different and refreshing.
 
I'm surprised he didn't mention the 1967 movie Branded to Kill. Both Killer7 and No More Heroes reminded me a lot of it. Branded to Kill was about an assassin working up to being #1 assassin by killing other ranked assassins. Plus it was very weird in a Suda-esque fashion.
 

Flynn

Member
Perdew said:
Really? Gozu? Hmmmmm never made that connection.

I think the guy in the video shop actually mentions Miike (or alludes to one of his movies) at least once.

Also: The Battles Without Honor or Humanity series is fuck-awesome. I hate the game Yakuza because I want a video game about mobsters in Japan to be exactly like a Kinji Fukasaku movie. No exceptions. Sadly, only Rockstar from another universe where they have a team in Japan could pull it off.
 
The guy in the video store says something like "Don't tell me you're skipping the latest Miike?" a number of times. The first time he said it was kind of a "fuck yeah!" nerd validation moment. :lol

Gozu is a great film, and I guess I can see how Beef Head would come from it, but it's not something I would guess immediately.
 

Alts

Member
Gozu has its moments, but I wouldn't say its too good. I'm actually surprised he doesn't mentioned Branded to Kill.
Besides my ethical qualms with El Topo, I think that is a good movie. I don't know how those other films fit in with NMH, though.
 
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