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[RurouniZel]

The song is great too!

Yeah, it really is stellar! Vocal and animation perfection!

 

[Branduil]

Record of Lodoss War TV is the classic example here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blICu7KsmyA

A show that lived up to this would certainly be awesome.

You must be talking about Tatami Galaxy!

Of all your opinions, this one is surely the craziest.

 

[Geneijin]

What kind of school would let him have his hair like that?

A school with an admirable student council president

he's the loliest

He's the shotaest.

Which is usually 90% accurate, so it works

Your first fault was conflating "moe - loli" together, so no, it doesn't. At least know your stuff first before you claim something.

Are we still absolutely sure it's her and not someone with the same name?

That's definitely a KugiShota. I know it's a rare occurrence, but it does indeed happen at times.

Dude I make hating K-On look good.

There have been many before you that make it look like art and they do it effortlessly. Don't flatter yourself.

When an Anime relies on boobs and fanservice, you know they don't even have the confident to get a good receptioin. Too bad Anime fans are a fickle group.

Or that's what the populous wanted.

HotD was okay in a horrified fascination kind of way

fuck me the mangaka was obsessed with boobs though

I saw torpedoes.

 

[Risette]

Of all your opinions, this one is surely the craziest.

Yeah, there was nothing good to ruin in Tatami.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Never judge a show by its intro.

Especially in this day and age. There is so much effort put into the OPs of shows which nobody would ever watch.

 

[Mortrialus]

There have been many before you that make it look like art and they do it effortlessly. Don't flatter yourself.

Trust me I haven't even gotten started on that animated abomination.

 

[Geneijin]

Trust me I haven't even gotten started on that animated abomination.

Then watch K-On!!

Your dislike for it lacks art and tact to it. The lack of hyperbole would help too.

 

[Femmeworth]

Oreimo episode seven - An episode about self-gratification. This is some meta shit.

 

[Mortrialus]

Then watch K-On!!

Your dislike for it lacks art and tact to it. The lack of hyperbole would help too.

Isn't there a movie as well? I've actually contemplated watching the second season because I'm curious just how much I'll hate it once its all said and done. Its part of my "Big three" most hated creative works with Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen and the God of War series.

 

[Branduil]

Yeah, there was nothing good to ruin in Tatami.

You don't get bonus points for trying to one-up his lunacy.

I should watch this show to see why you seem to hate it so much.

That's his secret plan.

 

[Geneijin]

Isn't there a movie as well? I've actually contemplated watching the second season because I'm curious just how much I'll hate it once its all said and done. Its part of my "Big three" most hated creative works with Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen and the God of War series.

There will be a movie, yes.

And go ahead and hate K-On. I don't really care much for it. But at least know what you're talking about if you're going to insult it like it's the "most shallowest" when you haven't even watched other shows like it to make such a claim.

 

[Hitokage]

And go ahead and hate K-On. I don't really care for it that much. But at least know what you're talking about if you're going to insult it like it's the "most shallowest" when you haven't even went past the starting point.

Well, if ABF has proven anything, it's that you don't need to actually watch a show to critique it in detail.

 

[sleepykyo]

The matrix boob clip should make you want to watch the show though

I remember seeing that clip and it was titled "why, Madhouse, why" or something. Seems like that was answered recently.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Blue Exorcist 5:
Fairly predictable, but not bad. The characters seem to mostly be sticking to type right now, and nothing particularly important has happened since the second episode. It's got enough to keep me watching, but not much more at the moment.

 

[Mortrialus]

There will be a movie, yes.

And go ahead and hate K-On. I don't really care for it that much. But at least know what you're talking about if you're going to insult it like it's the "most shallowest" when you haven't even watched other shows like it to make such a claim.

Generally speaking, unless its laughably bad, my general reaction to something artistically incompetent is indifference. The thing with those three I mentioned is that there is actual potential squandered which absolutely infuriates me.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Oreimo episode seven - An episode about self-gratification. This is some meta shit.

The whole show is vaguely to gratuitously meta. A lot of people don't seem to get that, though.

 

[Risette]

The whole show is vaguely to gratuitously meta. A lot of people don't seem to get that, though.

It's also shit as well!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Well, if ABF has proven anything, it's that you don't need to actually watch a show to critique it in detail.

Look, I don't hang out in the IRC, but seriously, what is it with you and ABF, anyways? Do I even really want to know?

 

[RurouniZel]

Oreimo episode seven - An episode about self-gratification. This is some meta shit.

They were totally making fun of themselves in that episode. I remember Kuroneko saying "Too many animès these days sexualize younger characters!" or something to that effect. It was like "O rly? Watching this show I couldn't tell!"

 

[Hitokage]

Look, I don't hang out in the IRC, but seriously, what is it with you and ABF, anyways? Do I even really want to know?

I saw the man behind the curtain.

 

[Ryuukan]

Look, I don't hang out in the IRC, but seriously, what is it with you and ABF, anyways? Do I even really want to know?

If you read this thread instead of making Iori gifs, you might find out.

 

[Geneijin]

Generally speaking, unless its laughably bad, my general reaction to something artistically incompetent is indifference. The thing with those three I mentioned is that there is actual potential squandered which absolutely infuriates me.

Sure, you can make such a claim. But know what you're talking about. You're still conflating what it should have been in your expectations than looking at it through its own merits. It's definitely not wholly as bad as you make it to be. Don't hyperbole. And I say this because you never retracted your hyperbole.

I can respectably agree it's not your thing. Just don't be pretentious about it like you're the de-facto analyst.

 

[Ezalc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blICu7KsmyA

A show that lived up to this would certainly be awesome.

Wow.

What's ABF?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

If you read this thread instead of making Iori gifs, you might find out.

Oh hey, you want a challenge huh? Okay, I'll bite. Please post a detailed summation of the delicious reading which I so obviously missed which demonstrates why Hito-chan has so much animosity for ABF. I will be expecting links to each relevant post. Thanks in advance.

 

[-Minsc-]

Speaking of loli, there's more than enough loli in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-spFztepYY

 

[Mortrialus]

Sure, you can make such a claim. But know what you're talking about. You're still conflating what it should have been in your expectations than looking at it through its own merits. It's definitely not wholly as bad as you make it to be. Don't hyperbole. And I say this because you never retracted your hyperbole.

I can respectably agree it's not your thing. Just don't be pretentious about it like you're the de-facto analyst.

I don't think I'm being hyperbolic by saying the only appeal of this show is that it's about moe girls. There really isn't anything of substance or value in it. It isn't funny. It isn't dramatic. It's simply moe girls doing fuck all. I personally doubt the second season remedies that.

I thought we clarified this in private messages?

 

[Risette]

I don't think I'm being hyperbolic by saying the only appeal of this show is that it's about moe girls. There really isn't anything of substance or value in it. It isn't funny. It isn't dramatic. It's simply moe girls doing fuck all. I personally doubt the second season remedies that.

I thought we clarified this in private messages?

K-ON is worth watching for the quality of animation and direction alone.

And I found it relaxing to watch.

 

[Femmeworth]

The whole show is vaguely to gratuitously meta. A lot of people don't seem to get that, though.

Yeah, episode eight, where

Spoiler

her "novel" is getting turned into an anime

, was meta as fuck. I think I'm done with the series, having probably seen all that is has to offer. The constant manipulation doesn't sit well with me, despite the nice production values.

 

[Mortrialus]

K-ON is worth watching for the quality of animation and direction alone.

And I found it relaxing to watch.

While I will admit that K-On's animation is very well done, I don't think it carries the show in the slightest.

 

[Branduil]

K-on has its good points, but I think other shows do the same thing much better. So it's hard to love if you prefer characterization over animation.

 

[Jex]

MtH is terrible and I felt insulted by it.

I don't agree at all.

I mean, even if I didn't like it (and I do think that it's pretty great) and thought it was 'average' I would have a hard time stretching that down to 'terrible'.

I completely disagree with your assessment about the ending as well. It was pretty good, as far as endings go. Everything the shows been working on thematically, storywise and characterwise wraps together neatly in a tone that is appropriate for the work as whole.

Your complaint about certain aspects being too 'stereotypical' didn't ring true either, but then again, just calling something 'stereotypical' isn't really a good indication of why you don't like it.

 

[Geneijin]

I don't think I'm being hyperbolic by saying the only appeal of this show is that it's about moe girls. There really isn't anything of substance or value in it. It isn't funny. It isn't dramatic. It's simply moe girls doing fuck all. I personally doubt the second season remedies that.

For example:

This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry. It's shallow, pandering, pointless, and unfunny. It's coldly calculated to sell as much merchandise as possible and I am going enjoy ripping it a new one.

Don't hyperbole. Just say it's crap and be done with it. If you have a limited perspective on the industry, don't be calling something one of the worse ever when you don't have such an insight or experience with which you're damning. That's all I ask. You don't know why it's as successful as it is to say that.

And you linked your old post as an answer, so I'm responding to it like it is as I did before.

Like I said, K-On!! still retains the complaints you had about the series. Doesn't mean K-On!! is exactly like K-On!'s saccharine filled moe moe kyun season however. There's actually less moe moe kyun in K-On!!. Not enough to sway your opinion of the series differently, but there's a reason why it's not as generic as any other "moe girl anime" let's say. The direction saves K-On!! from being wholly like K-On!

Edit: Also, K-On's been a slice of life show since K-On!. "Being dramatic" doesn't have to be a necessary criteria nor is it applicable in K-ON's case.

I thought we clarified this in private messages?

We did. But you're still communicating like you did before, which I have to call out on.

 

[Dynedom]

I really need to just check out series in spite of warnings by AnimeGAF of "horrible endings". It seems they're right maybe 1 out of the 8 times they point it out. I'll just keep my expectations low, that's all. That, at least, I can be grateful to AnimeGAF for.

 

[Jex]

Yuru Yuri - 7
The premise was a nice, tantalizing idea, but this episode was weaker than the last one.

On the Yuri Yuri scale of Yuri's to Yuri, how many Yuri's of out Yuri would rate Yuri Yuri's latest episodes?

 

[Mortrialus]

For example:

Don't hyperbole. Just say it's crap and be done with it. If you have a limited perspective on the industry, don't be calling something one of the worse ever when you don't have such an insight or experience with which you're damning. That's all I ask. You don't know why it's as successful as it is to say that.

And you linked your old post as an answer, so I'm responding to it like it is as I did before.

Excluding outright porn which I don't even consider as eligible, this show is pretty much bottom barrel when it comes to its actual merits. As I said, the only appeal this show has is that it has a cast of moe girls. This is why I used the harem metaphor. Its overall terrible quality is multiplied by how insanely successful it is. This is specifically why I said "This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry." The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful. Not only that but the influence it is going to have is depressing. I do not think I was being hyperbolic in that statement.

 

[Ryuukan]

I really need to just check out series in spite of warnings by AnimeGAF of "horrible endings". It seems they're right maybe 1 out of the 8 times they point it out. I'll just keep my expectations low, that's all. That, at least, I can be grateful to AnimeGAF for.

You should. Sometimes an ending is considered horrible because everything before it was highly entertaining.

 

[Master Milk]

Excluding outright porn which I don't even consider as eligible, this show is pretty much bottom barrel when it comes to its actual merits. As I said, the only appeal this show has is that it has a cast of moe girls. This is why I used the harem metaphor. Its overall terrible quality is multiplied by how insanely successful it is. This is specifically why I said "This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry." The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful. Not only that but the influence it is going to have is depressing. I do not think I was being hyperbolic in that statement.

Why isn't there a physical limit to how wrong about something a person can be?

 

[Ezalc]

I don't agree at all.

I mean, even if I didn't like it (and I do think that it's pretty great) and thought it was 'average' I would have a hard time stretching that down to 'terrible'.

I completely disagree with your assessment about the ending as well. It was pretty good, as far as endings go. Everything the shows been working on thematically, storywise and characterwise wraps together neatly in a tone that is appropriate for the work as whole.

Your complaint about certain aspects being too 'stereotypical' didn't ring true either, but then again, just calling something 'stereotypical' isn't really a good indication of why you don't like it.

Spoiler

The ending was terrible. Hiroshi turns out to just be some bum, Hatchin goes and gets pregnant later which basically completely throws what seemed like her maturity out the fucking window, and Michiko just disappears. I said stereotypes because that's what the show is filled with. I'm Brazilian, the show never outright says it but it's set in Brazil, however it just panders to the stereotypical views of the country. This shit insulted me in that what they think all there is here is violence, dark skinned women with big asses who act like two bit whores, and everybody is poor. Fuck that shit. The setting hit close to home in an incredibly negative way, they could have expanded and shown more positive aspects but they didn't. The ending showing that Hiroshi turns out to just be some deadbeat loser, Hatchin losing her common sense just worsens this.

That's why I think the show was terrible.

 

[Geneijin]

Excluding outright porn which I don't even consider as eligible, this show is pretty much bottom barrel when it comes to its actual merits. As I said, the only appeal this show has is that it has a cast of moe girls. This is why I used the harem metaphor. Its overall terrible quality is multiplied by how insanely successful it is. This is specifically why I said "This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry." The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful. Not only that but the influence it is going to have is depressing. I do not think I was being hyperbolic in that statement.

Just no. Like I said, you're extrapolating like you know the entire genre (for simplicity's sake, let's just say that) and trying to assume you know what you're talking about when what you're claiming is as shallow as your knowledge of the genre.

And yes, you are being hyperbolic in that statement because of what you just said in bold.

Edit: And this is disregarding your "bottom barrel" comment. Stop with the hyperbole.

 

[RurouniZel]

Excluding outright porn which I don't even consider as eligible, this show is pretty much bottom barrel when it comes to its actual merits. As I said, the only appeal this show has is that it has a cast of moe girls. This is why I used the harem metaphor. Its overall terrible quality is multiplied by how insanely successful it is. This is specifically why I said "This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry." The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful. Not only that but the influence it is going to have is depressing. I do not think I was being hyperbolic in that statement.

nobecauseno.jpg

 

[Geneijin]

You should. Sometimes an ending is considered horrible because everything before it was highly entertaining.

Journey > Ending.

 

[Risette]

The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful.

But K-ON has an extremely high level of artistry. Whether you like the show or not is one thing, but what I just said is objective fact.

 

[Mortrialus]

Why isn't there a physical limit to how wrong about something a person can be?

Alright, excluding animation which I will say is a legitimate point in the shows favor, what good does it have going for it? Aside from moe girls, what is the appeal?

nobecauseno.jpg

What a beautiful and profoundly worded rebuttal.

 

[Ryuukan]

Alright, excluding animation which I will say is a legitimate point in the shows favor, what good does it have going for it? Aside from moe girls, what is the appeal?

Let's positive thinking for a bit. What shows do you consider highly appealing, artistically speaking? I don't wish to degrade your choices, only to understand the benchmark you have created. (I'm not a K-ON fan)

 

[Dresden]

Alright, excluding animation which I will say is a legitimate point in the shows favor, what good does it have going for it? Aside from moe girls, what is the appeal?

Porn, pillows, hot glue.

 

[RurouniZel]

Alright, excluding animation which I will say is a legitimate point in the shows favor, what good does it have going for it? Aside from moe girls, what is the appeal?

Likable, if archetypal characters, good attention to directorial detail (poses/placements/objects/lighting etc are consistent between shots), cute dialogue. It's also very relaxing to watch. Slice-of-life that for the most part avoids stupid, forced drama.

 

[Risette]

Slice-of-life that for the most part avoids stupid, forced drama.

Anime needs sad characters and/or death to be HIGH ART, haven't you heard?

 

[RurouniZel]

Anime needs sad characters and/or death to be HIGH ART, haven't you heard?

;-P. But to clarify, I don't dislike drama. I dislike stupid, forced, poorly written drama. I'll take little-to-no drama over bad drama any day. (for VG reference, see Metroid: Other M)

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Excluding outright porn which I don't even consider as eligible, this show is pretty much bottom barrel when it comes to its actual merits. As I said, the only appeal this show has is that it has a cast of moe girls. This is why I used the harem metaphor. Its overall terrible quality is multiplied by how insanely successful it is. This is specifically why I said "This is one of the worst pieces of crap ever to blight the anime industry." The show is evidence of how little effort is needed in regards terms of actual artistry to make a show successful. Not only that but the influence it is going to have is depressing. I do not think I was being hyperbolic in that statement.

If you consider K-ON "bottom barrel", you haven't even gotten past the tip of the iceberg when it comes to bad anime. Infinite Stratos would be a much better candidate for your argument.

Journey > Ending.

A bad enough ending can retroactively ruin the journey though.

 

[Branduil]

My primary issue with K-on is that the characters feel so manufactured and forced, not that this isn't a problem pandemic to anime, but in this case, KyoAni's competence at manufacturing moe actually makes me detest it more. Yui and Mio I find particularly grating in their shallow, forcibly moe characterization. While watching it I cannot help but feel their attempts to pander to as wide of an audience as possible, and as such it feels like much more of a labor for money than a labor of love.