It's really hard to judge those things while they're still happening, I feel that every show needs to reach it's conclusion so that we're certain they don't turn to crap around episode 17.
It's really hard to judge those things while they're still happening, I feel that every show needs to reach it's conclusion so that we're certain they don't turn to crap around episode 17.
I'm... intrigued. This show has the potential to be anything, so it could go either way. I will say it's already surpassed anything else Ikuhara has done.
Episode 23: The epic confrontation finally happens! It's nice to see Wang doesn't get exactly what he wants by the end but the way this episode plays out is great. Everything from the music chosen to the pacing. The set up of the clash and what it means. This is definitely one of my favorite episodes of the series as well and might even be better than Episode 20. I think this is an important episode because, to me, it actually shows Tylor's genius in pretty unambiguous way. Some people might ask if he really could read Dom or whether he was lucky. I think there was a mutual understanding here. That Dom chose to be the leader of the forces may have been an incredible turn of fortunes for Tylor but looking back, I could not have seen it happening any other way. It's still not black and white (that's not the show's style) but this is definitely a good indication that Tylor is a lot smarter than he lets on. Space opera buffs might scoff at the idea of this battle's "result" but that's also part of the comedy!
That scene was incredible wasn't it? So many things could've blown Tylors plan, especially with the admiral on board. I'm also certain that was srs business Tylor there. He's capable of it.
The result of the battle also played pretty heavily into the series satirical structure.
I'm... intrigued. This show has the potential to be anything, so it could go either way. I will say it's already surpassed anything else Ikuhara has done.
Utena TV, the Utena movie, various episodes of Sailor Moon including the finale, the primary arc of Sailor Moon R on through all of S and SuperS, and the Sailor Moon R movie.
... I'd ask if he'll ever do a fantasy series, but that'd require him to actually do another anime again, and with how Despera isn't going, I don't know about that... I hope he does! We need more ABe!
tiff said:
Haha, it was just goofy and ridiculous enough to be enjoyable. Love little things like the rich girl going to school in some weird gothic outfit because, y'know, 'cuz. And genderbending is always a plus in my book.
I doubt they'll ever strike midair-accidental-bare-breast-groping gold again, but I want to see where they go with this all the same.
Yeah, it definitely seemed like the bad harem show to watch. I wonder if they'll come up with anything to match that scene, it was pretty impressive and not easy to top...
Steroyd said:
Oh hells no, I can't wait to start on Sailormoon S after I've finished the Sailormoon R movie, I'm talking about the barrage of Mayo Chiki, No. 6, Nurarihyon no Mago and now this piece of dung, you'd think i'd learn not to go into anime's completely blind at this point but, noooooo.
Sure. I mean to say that the dialogue was very nonchalant, as if it was trying to softly induce characterization, giving you that glimpse into their everyday life--for foundation, I'm almost certain. But their way of inducing it... it wasn't exactly the ideal method for the structure that they've shown. Getting a glimpse into their everyday life could've, imo, been cut completely from this first episode, as the 'everday' aspect of it was abolished within minutes, taking that supposed foundation that is seems like they wanted the viewer to have with it.
It seems as if they wanted the viewer to share the surprise that the brothers did, which wasn't needed.
The whole production itself is already confusing/surprising as hell, I would have preferred that they went batshit insane. In character, and direction.
Just because it's amusing doesn't mean it's not trash, first episode had all the negative anime trappings including the most impressive "accidently raped by falling into her" I've ever seen.
The incest is not what I had a problem with. On the contrary, I'm actually a big fan of incest, it's just that I won't admit to it.
The implied NTR is what got me. I've been told (very adamantly) that there wasn't any, but it seemed obvious to me.
In any case, I didn't hate the episode, I just hated that particular part of it. It was not a bad episode, and the show is not bad, I just need to see more before I make a definitive judgement.
I normally like that kind of show for its mindlessness, but I dunno, maybe I'm just tiring of that formula finally. It seemed like it was just going through the fetish motions that others before it had already exhausted to death.
Sure. I mean to say that the dialogue was very nonchalant, as if it was trying to softly induce characterization, giving you that glimpse into their everyday life--for foundation, I'm almost certain. But their way of inducing it... it wasn't exactly the ideal method for the structure that they've shown. Getting a glimpse into their everyday life could've, imo, been cut completely from this first episode, as the 'everday' aspect of it was abolished within minutes, taking that supposed foundation that is seems like they wanted the viewer to have with it.
Don't try to introduce a 'normal' world if you're then going to introduce strange elements? I don't buy that argument at all.
For starters, we don't know that the show is going to be about or what the tone will be. It could be more normal activities interspersed with weird stuff, like Sailor Moon.
Secondly, introducing characters in an abnormal setting is inherently counter-productive. The whole point of introducing a character is so that the viewer can learn something about them, how they act, how they behave and so forth. Those are things you learn under normal circumstances, because how they act when strange things happen will be completely different.
Thirdly having 'weird stuff happen' often works best when it's counterbalanced with a regular normality. If you don't open with that normality you don't get to experience the shift with the characters and, also, you might believe that a state of abnormality is a frequent occurrence for these characters it you open your show in an abnormal fashion.
Miri said:
It seems as if they wanted the viewer to share the surprise that the brothers did, which wasn't needed.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes: My Conquest is the Sea of Stars
There was a bit of an internal debate over whether I should watch this or not. I had already become accustomed to the mystery surrounding how Yang became a "hero" and received his promotion to Rear Admiral, something oh-so-often mentioned by other characters in the show, an ambiguity which I quite liked. So I was pleasantly surprised when I watched it and realised the movie in fact does not cover that battle, but another in between!
Only 60 minutes long and while it's clearly designed as a "throw you in the deep end" introduction to Yang and Reinhard's tactical know-how and progression through the bureaucracy of either side, it still manages to be pretty satisfying. The increased budget is evident in some of the best "classical music while spaceships shoot at each other" scenes I've seen, and the battle set pieces provided a surprising amount of character development from the decisions made. It was definitely worth watching.
You're right, but what Infinite Ryvius did do was establish a main character right away, and proceed from there to slowly introduce and establish characters in an organic way. Idolmaster uses the opposite approach of an "artificial" introductory episode, which they cleverly lampshade, and that's not necessarily bad, but at the same time, there's no main character. Actually, I suppose the main character is the camera
/Producer
... which goes back into the whole creepy otaku thing again, I guess.
I'm quite tempted to say you should have watched Overture to a New War insted of the opening two episodes. It's essentially the exact same story and events, but presented in a superior manner.
Straight up fanservice is overtly creepy, implying that you, the viewer, are surrounded by cute girls who rush to fawn over you and then the show lingers for numerous seconds is actually more creepy, if you consider the ramifications.
I'm completely and totally out of the loop when it comes to what's going on in the anime scene right now... but based on those backgrounds, I'm interested in checking it out. Is there an English dub available? Sorry for the probably dumb question, I'm sure it's been asked to death but I didn't see anything.
Yeah, like I said, I've been informed that there wasn't any, but watch it again and look at how the younger brother interacts with her. It's pretty obvious he's in love with her, and not just the brotherly kind of love.
Branduil said:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12082922/210hvyq.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]
Lol, I was hoping someone would notice.
[quote=Branduil]Actually, I suppose the main character is the camera[SPOILER]/Producer[/SPOILER]... which goes back into the whole creepy otaku thing again, I guess.[/quote]
[quote=Jexhius]The creepiest part was where they all crowded around you/the cameraman at the end.[/quote]
Well, the way they seemed to handle it, I don't think that the producer is going to be the main character. He's just a player surrogate in the games, it's the girls who are the real main characters.
Well, the way they seemed to handle it, I don't think that the producer is going to be the main character. He's just a player surrogate in the games, it's the girls who are the real main characters.
I'm completely and totally out of the loop when it comes to what's going on in the anime scene right now... but based on those backgrounds, I'm interested in checking it out. Is there an English dub available? Sorry for the probably dumb question, I'm sure it's been asked to death but I didn't see anything.
That would be too amazingly incredible to ever happen, wouldn't it...
... I mean, it'd easily be one of the best animes ever. That... I want that... though ANYTHING from ABe would be great, he's amazing and needs to make more things. But that would be pretty incredible.
Steroyd said:
Just because it's amusing doesn't mean it's not trash, first episode had all the negative anime trappings including the most impressive "accidently raped by falling into her" I've ever seen.
It's bad, yes, but trash? Yeah, I also think that that's something that should be used for things which are bad, unwatchable, and/or have no redeeming values and aren't any fun to watch, not something amusingly bad like Mayo Chiki.
tiff said:
Are we talking trashy or just trash?
Because I don't think I'd consider some that's entertaining to be trash, even if it's entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
Trash would be something that's just completely boring imo.
I have no problems with the main characters being the girls. If the producer was the main character it would turn it into some kind of weird harem show, and judging by the tone they set in the first episode, that's not what they're shooting for.
Don't try to introduce a 'normal' world if you're then going to introduce strange elements? I don't buy that argument at all.
For starters, we don't know that the show is going to be about or what the tone will be. It could be more normal activities interspersed with weird stuff, like Sailor Moon.
Secondly, introducing characters in an abnormal setting is inherently counter-productive. The whole point of introducing a character is so that the viewer can learn something about them, how they act, how they behave and so forth. Those are things you learn under normal circumstances, because how they act when strange things happen will be completely different.
Thirdly having 'weird stuff happen' often works best when it's counterbalanced with a regular normality. If you don't open with that normality you don't get to experience the shift with the characters and, also, you might believe that a state of abnormality is a frequent occurrence for these characters it you open your show in an abnormal fashion.
But a state of abnormality will, quite obviously, be a frequent occurrence for these characters, jex.
I just don't think this episode was done as well as it could've been. Debuting from a climatic event and filling in the 'normal' as you progress works just as well, if not better in cases, than your typical 'normal-crazyclimax-reaction' structure, when dealing with a show that's obviously trying to shock with its pace. Besides, I got nothing from the brothers that helped me understand them any better than were they to not have initially gone over them at all. So they reacted to Himari
rising from the dead
in the most typical fashion possible, that's nice. I didn't need the exposition on them for that.
Himari is your typical sick girl that doesn't have much time to live, and is just happy to be alive, that's also nice. However, with stronger writing, that could've been delivered in a third of time, instead of the very 'slice-of-life' approach that they took initially--the date at the zoo. The visits to the doctor etc... etc...
The quick cuts tried to lead you to believe that the series was sporadic and unpredictable, but up until
Himari's rise from the dead
that just wasn't the case. It was just a badly paced, typical, completely predictable, slice of their life. And even after saying that, now that I think on it, the whole thing never really dropped its predictability.
It did, however, give the viewer a shell to fill in. The thinnest shell possible, but a shell nonetheless.
I'm well aware of what NTR is. What should be argued here is whether or not the little brother is in love with his sister or not, not if what happened was NTR. If he is in love, it's NTR. If not, it's not.