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Summer 2011 Anime Thread of Idols, Penguins, and IKUHARA'S RETURN.
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Hitokage said:
That's not what Madoka or Evangelion do, though. Madoka doesn't show the "logical conclusion" of little girls gaining magical powers, it creates a very specific and contrived situation that transforms "being a magical girl" into a source of suffering; something like Narutaru, which doesn't force the subversion into the setting, would be a better fit for the word deconstruction. As for Evangelion, by the time it came out, there were no conventions left to "deconstruct" in the "super-robot" genre.
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7Th said:
There's deconstruction in philosophy and deconstruction in fictional narratives. These are both accepted usages of the word, even if they don't mean the same thing.
Hitokage said:
That's subversive, not deconstructive. Madoka didn't show the logical inconcistencies in the basic foundations of a premise, it just created a whole new premise by adding new foundations to it.
Jintor said:
What I'm saying is that Evangelion just took already existing premises without trying to show the logical inconsistencies in them.
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Utena 11:
Touga is actually really clever. He purposely put everybody up to dueling Utena first so he could figure out how it was that she could beat these people who've all been training in some form of swordsmanship all their lives. Then he also purposely set himself up as
so he could bypass the
which manifests inside of her as sudden spasms of Goku-class or Kenshiro-class swordsmanship. Utena really should listen to what he says, too. He obviously knows quite a bit more than he lets on about the dueling and the Rose Bride.
I wonder if eventually they will show blood. When
earlier in the arc, it's miraculously entirely bloodless. That seems strange in something like this.
Touga is actually really clever. He purposely put everybody up to dueling Utena first so he could figure out how it was that she could beat these people who've all been training in some form of swordsmanship all their lives. Then he also purposely set himself up as
Utena's childhood prince
Power of Dios
What's interesting is the undercurrent of darkness which runs not-so-subtly beneath this first arc. The show bursts into full darkness starting with the Black Rose arc but even here it's not all that subtle about letting the viewer know that there's a whole lot more going on here than meets the eye.
I wonder if eventually they will show blood. When
Saionji accidentally cuts into Touga's back
I can't comment on the Madoka talk because I haven't finished it yet unfortunately. However, even if Eva was (as seems likely) inspired by a work that had come before it, it doesn't invalidate the deconstrutive elements within it. Stuff like every kid pilot piloting a giant robot having severe psychological issues, or what it would be like to have a father who was completely dedicated to his mission - that's still legitimate deconstruction, whether or not those tropes had been done before.
I don't think deconstruction is about logical inconsistancy; in this sense that it is applied to Madoka and Evangelion, it's more about taking all the facets of a particular idea and applying them to a situation.
I don't think deconstruction is about logical inconsistancy; in this sense that it is applied to Madoka and Evangelion, it's more about taking all the facets of a particular idea and applying them to a situation.
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shintoki said:
For Ittoki
And for the songs, which are nice.
Unknown Soldier
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Utena 12:
How nice. Utena has a Geass Canceler. That sure comes in handy!
I don't think Utena realizes that
In that sense, Touga is actually the perfect person to possess the Rose Bride, because he doesn't actually care one way or the other about Anthy, he's only doing it for whatever The Power to Bring the World Revolution actually is. Saionji, Miki, Nanami, Juri, and yes, Utena herself all fail that simple criteria. It doesn't help that the Rose Bride is obviously
One more episode in this arc!
How nice. Utena has a Geass Canceler. That sure comes in handy!
I don't think Utena realizes that
Anthy's position as the Rose Bridge is an intentional one and that she manipulates everybody's emotions on purpose for a reason. It's not clear just yet what this reason is, because I've only finished episode 11 of 39 and they're saving that for the end.
pretty fucking evil and she's purposely fucking with people's emotions.
One more episode in this arc!
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Unknown Soldier said:
Your world view is about to change....
It's the most revealing recap episode ever.
hosannainexcelsis
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Gintama 30
That was a delicious parody of Conan and detective fiction in general. I wish I got more of the references, but I still enjoyed it immensely.
That was a delicious parody of Conan and detective fiction in general. I wish I got more of the references, but I still enjoyed it immensely.
The mystery shadow is the best culprit.
hosannainexcelsis
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Gintama 31
Excellent work by Tomokazu Sugita, as always.
Also, wow, I wasn't expecting them to take that as far as they did.
Excellent work by Tomokazu Sugita, as always.
Also, wow, I wasn't expecting them to take that as far as they did.
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DrForester said:
Utena 13:
Meanwhile, inside the Castle in the Sky...
Dios: Spanish noun. Derived from the Latin root word deum. Literal meaning: "God." In this sense, any or some god, not necessarily the God of the Abrahamic religions. The same Latin root word gave us 'Deity' in the English language.
It's not clear if Dios is or was actually a living person at one point, but it's pretty implied that Dios gave Utena his ring and that's why his immaterial spirit can descend from the castle and enter Utena, the bearer of his ring. It seems he's been in there a long time, since seven Student Council Presidents have come and gone since the beginning of the duels. Oh look, and the person chatting with Dios in the castle is Akio, who's the primary driver of the upcoming Black Rose arc. What exactly are Dios and Akio trying to accomplish? Why is Dios sleeping in the Castle in the Sky? Why did Dios give Utena his ring when she was in that coffin? What do Touga and Saionji know about this, since they met Utena that day too? What does Anthy and the Rose Bride have to do with the Castle in the Sky?
I guess it's time to start the second arc!
Hellsing321
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The show was given very little budget because Sunrise never thought it would do well. Fight choreography is very lacking in most episodes, and the animation in general show that they had very little time to work. It has lots of QUALITY faces that you would expect from a Shaft production and not Sunrise. Last week's episode was the exception where it had excellent choreography and animation but this week's was more in line with how the rest of the series is. The show has succeeded largely off its writing and the strength of its characters and not its production values.A Black Falcon said:
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I see a pony with a monocle, indeed, but I don't know if that makes it a monocle show... still though, amusing image.DrForester said:
That's true, about both Kino and Haibane. The world is there, the characters are in it; exposition explaining it isn't needed, and nor would it improve the shows. They're just about perfect as they are, and there's a lot of depth there too. Both shows have so many layers, in Haibane in the show as a whole and in Kino in each episode... I do like Haibane more than Kino overall, though. Some of Kino's episodes are more cliche than others, and I like the continuing narrative of Haibane as well. Still though, Kino's an amazing show, and some of those episodes are really interesting and surprising. The various places in the show often are quite imaginative. And both shows, of course, have great, deep, and complex characters, though again the different structures of the shows matters both casts are great.
I would say Spice and Wolf does things differently, but I guess it's true there though; however, there it's more because it's trying to be a bit more accurately medieval than most anime is, though, I think. And the show does explain many things at length, they're just mostly economics issues, not explanations for the whys of the world the show is in. Which, indeed, works well.
I agree, that first part is probably the explanation that makes the most sense to me as well. As for the children idea though, do you meant the other haibanes? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. I think all of the haibane are most likely troubled people... I don't know about the rest of the townsfolk though, are they just there for the haibane, or are they other types of people, or what? That's harder to figure out.
I do too, but it's looking less and less likely the longer it goes on with nothing happening, isn't it... I hope that that turns out to be wrong and it eventually airs... I hope that so much...
That picture is ridiculously cute... and it's good to see that the show's staying good, apparently.Articalys said:Ikoku 3
Claude has the best imagination. Also Oscar gave pretty much the worst/best description of sumo wrestling I've ever heard.
That was pretty neat how he used the "sound" kanji as inspiration for the sign. Also looks like we'll have the Japanophile girl making her full entrance next week as well.
Looks like someone used that screencap from episode 1 over in the Women's World Cup thread as well.
Setup? I don't know, maybe some parts might have funny stuff with that idea, but I don't think that part was very funny. The first episode and a half had plenty of funny parts though, sure... I will keep watching, for a while at least. It does have amusing parts.scy said:
Huh. I'd think, though, that with how successful it's been its budget would have gone up over time...Hellsing321 said:
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Jintor said:
Endurance run would probably be longer actually since it took them exactly 99 hours and 59 minutes. I had it on the background though, so yay for multitasking!
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cosmicblizzard said:
What's an endurance run? Play through the whole game from beginning to end without stopping?
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Unknown Soldier said:
I assume he means the Giant Bomb Endurance Run where Vinny and Jeff from Giant Bomb played through the whole game, but he might mean that.
Edit: Which thinking about it now should be physically impossible.
Sacred seven 3 - Man this show is really living up to my pre-season expectations.. if this is the kind of pacing we can expect from the rest of the series, I'm totally in for the long haul. The fight sequences and contrived trademark "sunrise' melodrama is oh so awesome.
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Trojita said:
They missed opportunity to throw in some filler. Unless they were given advance knowledge of the current place in the manga and its conclusion, any stopping point will be terrible to tide us over for a break to season 2, I think (I guess its getting a second season if its as popular as the manga).
Japan has voted and Idolmaster is the most disappointing new anime
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-07-17/biglobe-poll/most-disappointing-new-july-anime
Biglobe users have bad taste confirmed?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-07-17/biglobe-poll/most-disappointing-new-july-anime
Biglobe users have bad taste confirmed?
Hellsing321
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They actually played more than that because they died a few times without saving and lost a good chunk of time.cosmicblizzard said:
Jexhius said:
I was going to say "better than Spirited Away? Nah" until I realized Spirited Away was a whole decade ago. Now I feel old.
The direction was certainly great... that was a huge difference from something like Earthsea right there. The scene where Arrietty first sees the kitchen is great, and also an example of how subtle CG can be used to enhance traditional animation instead of just being distracting.
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Utena 14:
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED
I think I need a beer.
Because ANN sucks? At least Sankaku Complex tries to amuse you with all the ecchi images you can handle, ANN doesn't even have that going for it.
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED
Something about an evil high school genius, a morgue where 100 fallen Duelists are entombed, a story about 100 boys being buried alive, their rings turn black when they die but if you are an evil high school genius you can give these rings to random people to turn them into dueling machines. Also, the high school genius is evil.
I think I need a beer.
flawfuls said:
Because ANN sucks? At least Sankaku Complex tries to amuse you with all the ecchi images you can handle, ANN doesn't even have that going for it.
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Hellsing321 said:
Yeah I know, but that's what the clock was at which is pretty funny since there's no cap on it.
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