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Summer 2011 Anime Thread of Idols, Penguins, and IKUHARA'S RETURN.

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Jintor said:
Anyone insulting Avatar The Last Airbender or insinuating it should get out of this thread: I will cut you.

Why would I want to watch some dodgy American cartoon based on a crappy Shyamalan movie pretending to be all mystical and eastern like Last Samurai or some shit?
 
Jintor said:
Anyone insulting Avatar The Last Airbender or insinuating it should get out of this thread: I will cut you.
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Thundercats reboot is so awesome, great animation and voice, interesting world and lore. simply awesome.

it counts as anime right? there's twin loli, animal mascot, mecha, and all.
 
Callibretto said:
Thundercats reboot is so awesome, great animation and voice, interesting world and lore. simply awesome.

it counts as anime right? there's twin loli, animal mascot, mecha, and all.

Thundercats is about as anime as Batman Beyond.
 
iDOLM@STER - 04: Decent episode. I liked how instead of showing Chihaya's empty lonely house life in the episode proper, it was just some nicely drawn stills during the credit role at the end.

Ep. 5 preview. *sees Azusa in a bikini* Instant classic confirmed! :-P
 
duckroll said:
Thundercats is about as anime as Batman Beyond.

Isn't the new Thundercats anime fully animated by 4°C? I'm sure only the OP and a few episodes of Beyond were by TMS/Sunrise.
 
EmmanuelMunoz said:
Batman Beyond wasn't anime???
Batman Beyond was anime???
7Th said:
Isn't the new Thundercats anime fully animated by 4°C? I'm sure only the OP and a few episodes of Beyond were by TMS/Sunrise.
wait! some episodes of Batman Beyond is by Sunrise?

I don't know what to think anymore.
 
Hitokage said:
However, because it has become a loanword twice over, "anime" in English is not "anime" in Japanese, like how "salsa" in English is not the same as "salsa" in Spanish. Your claims of incorrectness have little bearing or relevance.
Both types of salsa in English are the same as both types of salsa in Spanish.
Jintor said:
So it's super anime is what you're saying

I call it mango.
 
Heh, I usually refer to shows like Avatar as "Western anime" and everything else I watch as "Japanese anime". I don't think it's right not to call it anime at all, considering the visual style is obviously lifted from Japan. I feel like it's not giving credit where credit is due, so to speak.
However, whenever people ask me about what "anime" to watch, I instinctively go with Japanese stuff.
 
Talking about Avatar in this thread is pretty weird. That's a show animated in Korea (though, basically all anime is at least partially at this point), and written by Americans. How that fits into a thread about Japanese animation is a mystery to me.
 
Jintor said:
Anyone insulting Avatar The Last Airbender or insinuating it should get out of this thread: I will cut you.
No one has insulted it, just pointed out that it's not a piece of fine Japanimation.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
I would say it's more like Gotham Knight than Beyond.

No, it's nothing like Gotham Knight. Thundercats is a series produced, directed, and written by Americans. The only part of it which is made in Japan is the animation, because it is much cheaper to animate in Korea and Japan than in the US.

Would it surprise you if I said that Transformers, GI Joe, and most of the US cartoons in the 80s and 90s were produced this way? Would it surprise you if I also said that most modern US cartoons today are also produced this way? Because it is. The only difference is that you now have internet, and you have access to so much more information that you think it is actually unique that a Japanese studio which you now happen to know the name of, is doing animation for a US cartoon.

Stuff like Animatrix, Gotham Knight, and Halo Legends are specifically meant to tap on Japanese anime industry talent to provide their specific take on US properties. Each short is produced, directed, and animated by a specific Japanese team put together to work on it to express a deliberate Japanese taste on the property.

Stuff like Thundercats and Batman Beyond are meant to be US cartoons made by Americans for Americans. They are just animated by Japanese animators.


Jexhius said:
No one has insulted it, just pointed out that it's not a piece of fine Japanimation.

Says you! I just insulted it earlier! And I would do it again! It's so easy to insult something which I have never seen, in a thread which has nothing at all to do with that! :D
 
Jexhius said:
[Steins;Gate 17]
In my previous complaints about this show I have been quick to cite poor direction as this shows major problem and this episode really drove home how sketchy this show can be. Poor editing, bad cinematography and awkward camera work coupled with rather lacklustre animation really helped to remind me of the earlier episodes in this series. It had gotten a bit more consistent as of late, but this episode was really phoned.
It probably didn't help matters that about 60% (according to those who played the game) of the original story was cut, for this episode... Seems like they're running a bit short overall.

Spoilers for this episode:
Why doesn't Okarin send a D-mail back to before he sent any of the original D-mails?
"No mails to the past or Mayuri dies"? If it's sent to a time when Okabe would see what's it all about (instead of simply dismissing that as a horrible joke), I guess it might be enough to dissuade him from investigating the matter further...
But if the problem is that the first (accidental) D-mail was detected by the bad guys, maybe that wouldn't solve the issue? I dunno...

How does he always manage to get back to his time machine and activate it even when they burst through the door of his apartment?
I wouldn't be surprised if they handwaved that one: "it's because, just like Mayuri's death, that's fate for this attractor field (or region of the attractor field)!"

How is Okarin so slow about this, on general? I also don't buy it that Feryis would allow her father to be killed again
Seems like an awfully quick and convenient resolution to what should have been an awful dilemma, right?
It bothered me a lot during the episode... but then again, if Faris can see that she basically traded her friend's life for her father's in the first place... I don't think it's unthinkable that some would see that as plain wrong.

and it's awfully convenient that she demonstrated the ability to remember previous world lines at a crucial point in the shows story.
Indeed. And a new convenient variety, too, where she has memories of both pasts.
I've seen some "oh-I-guess-it's-not-so-bad-after-all-then" theories (or maybe they were spoilers...? damnit) about that one, so I'll reserve my judgment for now, but... Yeah. I was hyped about that title tackling time travel in a meticulous manner, but after all of Kurisu's attempts to make sense of what was happening with science and logic, I'm seeing what appears to be a whole lot of contrivances and handwaving... Shobo~n...
 
Dynedom said:
Heh, I usually refer to shows like Avatar as "Western anime" and everything else I watch as "Japanese anime". I don't think it's right not to call it anime at all, considering the visual style is obviously lifted from Japan. I feel like it's not giving credit where credit is due, so to speak.
Anime is animation animated, produced, directed etc in Japan. Particular elements of visual style do not define anime, even if they are nearly omnipresent.

If an American movie heavily borrowed from Japanese film style we wouldn't call it "kind of a Japanese film". It's a wholly American movie that happens to be borrowing one particular set of styles or techniques.
duckroll said:
Says you! I just insulted it earlier! And I would do it again! It's so easy to insult something which I have never seen, in a thread which has nothing at all to do with that! :D
He was mad before you knocked it!
 
A Black Falcon said:
What do you mean? She's already proclaimed herself to be his girlfriend at least once, if partially in jest... :)

Remember episode 1 though, she's still a sadist inside, I'm sure part of why she's around him is just because she finds his "I get nosebleeds when females touch me" thing entertaining. Of course though this is a harem show, even if we haven't met the whole harem yet. Whether or not she actually likes him now she probably will eventually.

Right, I'm waiting for the inevitable primary love-love rival. I actually hadn't seen episode 4 (until now) so
it looks like she's down that route "officially" now, though possibly still half-troll
. Kind of wish he wouldn't go full blown harem and leave it between Kanade and Subaru in the end but, hey, new girl coming up so that idea is shot most likely. Oh well.

mAcOdIn said:
So all that in mind if there's one person who has good intentions it's the rich girl.

Basically, this. She's half-trolling, half-lolzing but she's well intentioned and just happens to get her laughs at screwing with people. Everything thus far has been rather well-orchestrated by her to do precisely what we started out with: fixing both Subaru and Jirou. She just happens to enjoy playing with them a bit in order to get to that satisfying resolution.
 
jump_button said:
Unless it air in japan first its not real anime
Let's see if we can find a problem with this impromptu definition:

A Japanese studio directs, writes, and animates a show, but then airs it in Singapore. Now it's not real anime?

Where something airs has no bearing on anything.
 
Jexhius said:
Anime is animation animated, produced, directed etc in Japan. Particular elements of visual style do not define anime, even if they are nearly omnipresent.

I would argue against this because we're debating animation style. I'm not simply talking about having Japanese animators (because hey, I believe they worked on some Hanna Barbera stuff and a lot of it doesn't look "Japanese"). I'm talking about the striking visual appeal. It looks inherently Japanese. I mean, there are even some Japanese anime "mannerism" in Western anime (like the bead of sweat, etc). It's not something invented by the West. It would not have existed in the West had the Japanese not done it first. Yes, these shows were animated in that way NOT to appeal to Japan but because they felt that style would fit. It's Western anime. It's a style, not a genre. Maybe I should have made that clearer. If you're still arguing against that, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

If an American movie heavily borrowed from Japanese film style we wouldn't call it "kind of a Japanese film". It's a wholly American movie that happens to be borrowing one particular set of styles or techniques.

Apples and oranges. We're talking about an animation style, not a directing style or a screenwriting styles, etc. Again, see above.
 
Western = Cartoon

Japan = Anime

Sure you have cross overs now and again (like X-Men anime for example), but you can pretty much tell it's origin.

This is just like the WRPG and JRPG debate. >_<

That said, it hurts a little to say that Avatar is a cartoon on Nickolodeon.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Why, it was hilarious. Don't tell me saying that is sacrilege around these parts as well :/

The OP was also done by the mother fuckin BEAT CRUSADERS!

I watched one episode and did not laugh or enjoy it. I just really didn't know if you were being serious

And yes I know about the Beat Crusaders
 
Steroyd said:
Western = Cartoon

Japan = Anime

Sure you have cross overs now and again (like X-Men anime for example), but you can pretty much tell it's origin.

This is just like the WRPG and JRPG debate. >_<

That said, it hurts a little to say that Avatar is a cartoon on Nickolodeon.

Which part has to be Western to make it a Cartoon, and which part has to be Japanese to make it Anime?
 
Totally Spies is the best Americanime.

It's animated in France and Korea, as are all of Marathon's wannanime series like Martin Mystery, Team Galaxy, The Amazing Spiez, Redakai, etc.
 
Takao said:
So Transformers: Micron Legend/Armada isn't anime even though it was written, directed, and mostly animated in Japan?


:/ well I wouldnt class Transformers as anime lol I knew they be one or two but never mind you have to draw the line somewhere
 
Dresden said:
If it's japanese I call them anime and if it's white man stuff I call them cartoons.
If it's Japanese I call them anime and if it's Western then I don't bother with it.

Unless it stars ponies of course.
 
firehawk12 said:
Hey guys, is OEL manga considered "manga" or "comics"? :p

You know what's crazy, My Life Me. It's a series about a girl who wants to be a manga author who lives in Canada, but is animated "anime-like" and has character designs by some "famous" OEL Manga author.

jump_button said:
:/ well I wouldnt class Transformers as anime lol I knew they be one or two but never mind you have to draw the line somewhere

Transformers is very co-pro. Takara in Japan and Hasbro work on almost all of the toy aspects together, and one always handles the animation. There's US exclusive Transformers series, and Japan exclusive. There's actually more Transformers series produced in Japan than the US.

Now you know, and knowing is...
 
Dynedom said:
I would argue against this because we're debating animation style. I'm not simply talking about having Japanese animators (because hey, I believe they worked on some Hanna Barbera stuff and a lot of it doesn't look "Japanese"). I'm talking about the striking visual appeal. It looks inherently Japanese. I mean, there are even some Japanese anime "mannerism" in Western anime (like the bead of sweat, etc). It's not something invented by the West. It would not have existed in the West had the Japanese not done it first. Yes, these shows were animated in that way NOT to appeal to Japan but because they felt that style would fit. It's Western anime. It's a style, not a genre. Maybe I should have made that clearer. If you're still arguing against that, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that point.
We're not talking about animation style, although you apparently were, hence talking over each other at cross-purposes!

I just said that Avatar isn't an anime. Because it isn't.

There is animation produced in the west that borrows stylistically from some elements of some Japanese visual works. But that's as far as I'd go, I certainly wouldn't call it "Western anime" because once we combine "anime" which means "something produced and directed in Japan" with the term "Western" which means "something produced in the West" you have a phrase which apparently doesn't make any sense.

To avoid such a confusing term I would simply stick with "animation produced in the West that borrows some stylistically elements from a small sub-section of Japanese works".
 
duckroll said:
Which part has to be Western to make it a Cartoon, and which part has to be Japanese to make it Anime?

Stop asking me such difficult questions. :P

I don't think I have a definitive answer that would be black and white, a majority of the time it's who has the creative control aimed for what audience, but of course as I previously mentioned X-men creatively is American, a good number of japaneese anime have the american audience in mind and so on and so forth.

It's like trying to explain moe, it's not something you can explain in a quantifyable manner, but something you just feel is right.
 
Takao said:
You know what's crazy, My Life Me. It's a series about a girl who wants to be a manga author who lives in Canada, but is animated "anime-like" and has character designs by some "famous" OEL Manga author.
It's almost impressive how hideous that is. But given what I've generally seen of OEL "manga" that's no surprise.
 
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