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(Super Duper Nintendo Switch 2 ?) Nvidia announces a new Tegra with Blackwell architecture to be available next year
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Physiognomonics
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Switch 2 Pro
HerjansEagleFeeder
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People already forgot that the Switch was pretty advanced when it came out?
Kokoloko85
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Yep for handhelds.
And the tech is getting better. I think they have found there way back into cutting edge and it will be portable/hybrid.
They would be stupid to make another machine that is outdated after all this success
tusharngf
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Polygonal_Sprite
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Going on the first few replies people really didn’t read the OP did they lol.
We’ve known what the Switch 2 is for 18 months - CPU that’s 10x the current Switch CPU. 1.5TFLOP Handheld / 3TFLOP Docked GPU. 12GB RAM. Much faster flash drive and larger faster game cards.
All of that means that the next Switch circa 2033 is going to have around 10TFLOP of GPU compute when docked at best.
We’ve known what the Switch 2 is for 18 months - CPU that’s 10x the current Switch CPU. 1.5TFLOP Handheld / 3TFLOP Docked GPU. 12GB RAM. Much faster flash drive and larger faster game cards.
All of that means that the next Switch circa 2033 is going to have around 10TFLOP of GPU compute when docked at best.
Codes 208
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The tegra 2 was revealed when the switch specs leaked almost a year before it was officially revealed and it still ended up with the tegra 1
Theres no reason to believe theyre going to use the newest specs when the design and specs have likely already been finalized for awhile now
Theres no reason to believe theyre going to use the newest specs when the design and specs have likely already been finalized for awhile now
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LordOfChaos
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This would only be "withered" enough tech by 2030
Be happy if we get Ampere based T239
Be happy if we get Ampere based T239
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True, but the fact that is going into cars means it has been taped out and safety tested for 2 years at the least.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
No not really, it was based on the 2 year old Tegra X1 chip, and if rumors were to be believed, Nintendo went with it because they got a killer deal after Nvidia overproduced them.
Self_Destructive
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By all reports the Switch 2 hardware is already done and out to developers. It's the software which is allegedly what's not quite ready yet for launch.. so very doubtful Switch 2 will be using a new Tegra chip coming next year.. lol
Windom Earle
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Considering how good TOTK looks on ancient hardware, I am fine with whatever Nintendo uses.
The chip isn't new, it's been done for at least 2 years.
They're doesn't seem to be any reports that are reliable at this point as the main leaker Kopite7 has gotten alot of info wrong lately.
And I would guess only Nintendo internally would be allowed to have final dev kits since Blackwell isn't out yet.
hybrid_birth
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Shhh that makes too much sense. Let the Nintendocans have their pipe dreams.
UnravelKatharsis
Gold Member
Stop being reasonable!
HerjansEagleFeeder
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So what could they have used instead for this type of device, especially considering the battery life for a handheld like this?
Sleepwalker
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Fuck the switch, I'm ready for the Shield 2
Gameplay Gods Bless
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No we know the Switch 2 is using an SoC based off of Tegra Orin iirc it's called t239.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Actually the Switch 2 will be leading edge for Nvidia tech if it launches before this. Nvidia has nothing more advanced in production than what the Switch 2 is sporting.
cash_longfellow
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Again..what’s a Switch 2?
RoadHazard
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Not really, the Tegra was already old by that time.
TX1 came out in mid 2015, Switch was supposed to be released holiday 2016 but was delayed.
T239 is on 8nm.
8nm doesn't jive with what Nintendo's President said about pursuing cutting edge technology and getting 5-6 hours of battery life.
And presumably the Switch 2 can run the Matrix demo, which I don't think a GPU could do running under 1 GHZ , as an 8nm chip would have to do, to get anywhere near 5 hours of battery life regardless of the resolution.
Maybe it will be the Orin chip, but it would have to be die shrunk to be practical to run next/current gen games.
Imtjnotu
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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The release year of that chip (Tegra 2 was 2011 or so, so even before the WiiU) is completely irrelevant to the question since Nintendo can't use an off the shelf Tegra chip for its devices. Platform holders typically use custom variants of these SoCs. So when it became apparent that the Tegra 1 might be a bit weak for the planned life cycle of the Switch (I assume that happened since I don't think Nintendos employees are that incompetent), it was already too late to change course. You don't just build a console in a couple of months. You could argue that going with the Tegra 1 in the first place was a mistake, but we don't know when they started designing the Switch. My assumption would be earlier than we think, because the WiiU was such a colossal failure.the switch came out in 2017.
with a chip designed in 2014...
Magic Carpet
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If it can’t play our games we can always use it to drive our cars.
Glue it to the dashboard. Self driving Magic.
Glue it to the dashboard. Self driving Magic.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Last I checked we didn't have any good data on which fab and process 239 is on. Do you have a source?
Gameplay Gods Bless
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The Switch's Tegra X1 was launched in 2015, the switch in 2017. The PS4s hw was from 2012 (2011 if we go by your method of counting) and it launched in 2013 but the Switch actually had a more respectable configuration than what the PS4 has surprisingly enough. The leap from Nintendo's last ARM handheld (3ds) to it's successor (Switch) was massive, the 3ds couldn't even match a Gamecube while the Switch beat the PS3 and Wii U.the switch came out in 2017.
with a chip designed in 2014...
The CPU on the switch was actually a good one compared to the terrible CPU in the PS4. The difference is the Switch runs at 9-15Ws of power while the PS4 uses north of 150W. The Switch has to sip because it's a handheld while the PS5 has an industrial pump filling it with juice.
alucard0712_rus
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And they sold 130+ millions of them with good profit even from the beginning. Think about that.the switch came out in 2017.
with a chip designed in 2014...
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MAtgS
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Nintendo is under different management than when Switch was being designed.
Knightime_X
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That's because Iwata believed weaker hardware lead to better games.
That was true in the early days because devs had to be more creative.
Anymore, most 3rd party devs try and shoehorn the game just to barely run.
PonyStation4
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The Switch came out with 2 years old mid range tablet hardware that was developed to be used in cars. Not only was it the furthest thing from advanced, Nintendo also had to significantly under clock it.
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The X1 in an actively cooled config was more powerful than flagship tablets at the time.
The fact that they had to under clock it doesn’t really support your argument.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Having to disable cores and/or lower the clock speed significantly (with zero customisations done by nVIDIA for Nintendo) just tells us that it was not really meant for the task at hand and had to be be adapted in the best way possible and it tells us nVIDIA has not changed and they will not tailor their designs for their customers one bit (no semi-custom designs) which is why I see the other console makers sticking with AMD.
Nintendo did the best they could to support the little Switch and the console got enough sales that developers were motivated to optimise for it.
Shut0wen
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True this
1536 CUDA cores at 1 GHz in docked mode would give 3 TF, which would be about half of the expected performance of the Series S. I think with ray tracing + DLSS + UE5 performance improvements, it wouldn't be impossible to close the gap and get a version of the Matrix demo running.
Then in portable mode, you would just cut the clockspeed back a lot.
Edit: Fixed comparison
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Hudo
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I thought it was Gunpei Yokoi who believed this to be the case.
Panajev2001a
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Series S is 4 TFLOPS…
Yes, you have to scale Ampere TF figures by ~0.7 to find their RDNA 2 equivalent. For example the 3060 is ~13.7 TF at typical boost clocks and is slightly faster than the 8.9 TF RX 6600.