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I don't understand why this has to have Mario in it. Make the main game with Generio and allow custom sprite maps. Just like soccer games without license, that come with editors, so players can add their favourites themselves.
 
00ich said:
I don't understand why this has to have Mario in it. Make the main game with Generio and allow custom sprite maps. Just like soccer games without license, that come with editors, so players can add their favourites themselves.
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Exactly what I was saying earlier. As someone who plays Mario Maker I could see myself playing a PC Mario Maker- type game. It would be even more open because people could import custom sprites, music, and such and truly make there own custom 2d platforming games. Why limit yourself to Mario in the case?
 
SEVERAL WEEKS LATER AT CREATOR'S HOUSE...

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Copper said:
Exactly what I was saying earlier. As someone who plays Mario Maker I could see myself playing a PC Mario Maker- type game. It would be even more open because people could import custom sprites, music, and such and truly make there own custom 2d platforming games. Why limit yourself to Mario in the case?
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Probably because:
1) Less Work (Sprites/Music all practically all there)
2) More Recognition (There probably wouldn't be a thread about Super Generio, unless it was really, really good)

That is a tempting combination, especially if you're trying to gain some popularity and not trying to make money.
 
Yudoken said:
Didn't Nintendo rip off modders first?
Just because they own Mario doesn't mean that they invented this.
For years there are Mario tools on pc.
Also my friends own a Wii U, we just heavily dislike the input devices and something like this I would rather play on pc with our favorite input device.
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The art assets belong to Nintendo.
 
Yudoken said:
I compare console fanboys with people with Stockholm syndrom.
They care more about the brand and marketing than the games.
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Oh, please. This 'game' clearly is trying to imitate and emulate an existing product on the market. You may as well try and defend someone giving away their re-write of the 7th Harry Potter novel and say 'we should only care about the books!' Not every game is some special snowflake that needs to be treasured and protected from the big bad world of corporations and marketing.
 
Yudoken said:
Didn't Nintendo rip off modders first?
Just because they own Mario doesn't mean that they invented this.
For years there are Mario tools on pc.
Also my friends own a Wii U, we just heavily dislike the input devices and something like this I would rather play on pc with our favorite input device.
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The idea of making Mario levels were invented the moment Miyamoto was making mario levels. And they created Super Mario Maker in this vein while they own the trademarks it entails.

That being said, the concept of a level editor is not what is considered ripping off, as is obvious. It's the fact that it's ripping art assets that are owned by Nintendo without their permission. Whether or not you believe it's reasonable for it to use their assets does not take away this fact and that Nintendo is within their rights to shut it down.
 
Corpekata said:
Some of y'all acting excited at the prospect of this getting squashed.

I can understand like, thinking it will be, but the relish in some posts is a bit weird.
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epmode said:
Some of you guys are psychotic. What is it about Nintendo that makes people say such ridiculous things?

Fan games have a *long* history and there's no reason for companies to clamp down on everything. Just the opposite. ..unless they're charging for the game, which they're not.
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Corpekata said:
Dude someone got banned for saying something stupidly fanboyish on the first page. And there's a handful of people clearly personally upset by this thing's existence on the first page alone, people that "can't wait" until Nintendo brings the ban hammer down.
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Uh... what thread are you guys reading? Nobody is acting "psychotic" and there is not a "handfull of people on the first page alone" that "can't wait" for nintendo to bring the hammer down. There is one guy who said he can't wait, and he even said that he doesn't normally have a problem with fan games, but this one is more of a blatant ripoff. Pretty much everybody else indicated why they thought a C&D was not unreasonable. It is it really that hard to see why this might be considered more of a ripoff and people might not be cool with that? That doesn't make somebody "psychotic" and it doesn't mean they are just doing it because they are fanboys defending their "billion dollar company" ( an idiotic statement by Mudcrab).
 
Wow, looks cool, but if people really want a "Maker" Mario game, get a Wii U. Sounds like this is for people who want a game like Mario Maker, but don't want a Wii U.
 
I guess this is like an open source version of Photoshop except for all the copyrighted assets that are being distributed.

Maybe it's like an open source Photoshop where you are also supplied with hundreds of copyrighted photographs to work with as well.
 
Nintendo just went 4th party?

Honestly, I don't like the original mario maker enough to bother, but the 3d Pokémon fan stuff is really cool.

Some of the old zelda rom hacks are some of my favorite games, also
 
Nintendo should officially port Mario Maker to Steam with workshop support, pc gamers loves this kind of games and it will sells a lot!
 
Stallion Dan said:
If anything Mario Maker is the rip-off, people having been making Mario levels and games on PC for donkeys years.
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so it's a ripoff of something that ripped off the idea of making mario levels?Are people really going to argue that Nintendo is the one most guilty of ripping off stuff here? What did they rip off? the idea of a level editor?
 
KingBroly said:
Probably another week at best. Holidays are a slow time of year for companies/legal teams/etc.
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Fair enough.

Mihos said:
Nintendo just went 4th party?

Honestly, I don't like the original mario maker enough to bother, but the 3d Pokémon fan stuff is really cool.

Some of the old zelda rom hacks are some of my favorite games, also
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What happens to those games?
Have they been taken down or legally charged?
 
Its cool, but man I can only think of how much it would rock if SMBX and this group had collaborated. It has some great level editing tools, and I wonder if it will enable some sort of multiplayer.

Revisiting this thread, it's actually kind of scary and sick how poster's mouths are watering for some big faceless money grubbing corporation to shut down some small spare time fan developed homebrew project.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Its cool, but man I can only think of how much it would rock if SMBX and this group had collaborated. It has some great level editing tools, and I wonder if it will enable some sort of multiplayer.

Revisiting this thread, it's actually kind of scary and sick how poster's mouths are watering for some big faceless money grubbing corporation to shut down some small spare time fan developed homebrew project.
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really? because I think its kind of sick and scary how you think that just because Nintendo is a huge company that must mean it's employees that get paid by them are nothing but evil money grubbers that are trying to shut down the little man
 
CaptainGyro said:
really? because I think its kind of sick and scary how you think that just because Nintendo is a huge company that must mean it's employees that get paid by them are nothing but evil money grubbers that are trying to shut down the little man
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You took that *way* too personally, but I'll bite. I don't see how this project is any more damaging to Nintendo's IP than the half dozen projects out currently that do the same thing or similar. Not only that, but it's almost like people are so afraid that the millions of copies SMM has sold will pale in comparison to the couple thousand downloads this thing will garner in its lifetime. This is a small project with little that will be coming out of it. It's not nearly on the scale of SMM, but yet some posters are acting personally offended by it when it shouldn't even be a blip on the radar if you own or have played the real deal.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
You took that *way* too personally, but I'll bite. I don't see how this project is any more damaging to Nintendo's IP than the half dozen projects out currently that do the same thing or similar. Not only that, but it's almost like people are so afraid that the millions of copies SMM has sold will pale in comparison to the couple thousand downloads this thing will garner in its lifetime. This is a small project with little that will be coming out of it. It's not nearly on the scale of SMM, but yet some posters are acting personally offended by it when it shouldn't even be a blip on the radar if you own or have played the real deal.
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Uh I didn't take anything "personally" , I just thought it was an incredibly dumb thing to say. It's almost the equivalent of saying it's OK to steal from Walmart, because Walmart is a billion dollar corporation. Guess what? If lots of people do it, it can potentially affect more than just the higher up rich fat cats at Walmart, it can affect the little people too.
 
CaptainGyro said:
Uh I didn't take anything "personally" , I just thought it was an incredibly dumb thing to say. It's almost the equivalent of saying it's OK to steal from Walmart, because Walmart is a billion dollar corporation. Guess what? If lots of people do it, it can potentially affect more than just the higher up rich fat cats at Walmart, it can affect the little people too.
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Are you seriously equating this to physical theft? Because if so, I can save my time and energy. I mean, are you trying to argue that "If lots of people create SMM Clones, Nintendo will suffer" or "If lots of people play THIS SMM clone, Nintendo will suffer"?

Because that's the same argument used in piracy, although it doesn't fit in there either, but if we were arguing piracy, the pirates would get what many would consider a better representation of SMM

I really do think you're overestimating the reach of such a small project.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Are you seriously equating this to physical theft? Because if so, I can save my time and energy. I mean, are you trying to argue that "If lots of people create SMM Clones, Nintendo will suffer" or "If lots of people play THIS SMM clone, Nintendo will suffer"?

Because that's the same argument used in piracy, although it doesn't fit in there either, but if we were arguing piracy, the pirates would get what many would consider a better representation of SMM

I really do think you're overestimating the reach of such a small project.
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No,I said it was "almost the equivalent". Physical theft or not, that's not the point, The point is that acting like you're hurting the business of a faceless money grubbing evil corporation doesn't mean that you're only affecting faceless money grubbing people. It's a fallacy of division
And I haven't estimated the reach of this project yet. It could be nothing, or if done well enough it could be potentially pretty popular, and within the realm of possibilty that it could hurt Nintendo employees somewhere. I really don't know much about it, but don't think trying to prevent that makes them some evil money grubbers, and to be honest I don't think the fact that the dude can't try to duplicate Mario Maker to his liking is some really super sad story about some big bad corporation holding him down, He can still make level editors just not something that appears to be a blatant ripoff of SMM.

For the record, I can also understand why somebody thinks this should stay up. I just think that a lot of people here are completely overblowing how unreasonable( or "psychotic" or "sick" or "money grubbing" )the C&D side is, while to me they actually seem to be the more level headed and reasonable side in the thread.
 
RocketRacoon said:
Seems pretty fair to me, the allure of 1 single game causing you to buy a console dies over time.
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Yes, and because a TV show you'd like to watch is only available on a service in which you're not interested in anything else, downloading it illegally is completely fine right? The entitlement of some people...
Stallion Dan said:
If anything Mario Maker is the rip-off, people having been making Mario levels and games on PC for donkeys years.
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This has been repeated through the thread and is so dumb I can't wrap my head around it. Do people seriously think that tools for making Mario games originated on the PC outside of Nintendo?
 
CaptainGyro said:
No,I said it was "almost the equivalent". Physical theft or not, that's not the point, The point is that acting like you're hurting the business of a faceless money grubbing evil corporation doesn't mean that you're only affecting faceless money grubbing people. It's a fallacy of division
And I haven't estimated the reach of this project yet. It could be nothing, or if done well enough it could be potentially pretty popular, and within the realm of possibilty that it could hurt Nintendo employees somewhere. I really don't know much about it, but don't think trying to prevent that makes them some evil money grubbers, and to be honest I don't think the fact that the dude can't try to duplicate Mario Maker to his liking is some really super sad story about some big bad corporation holding him down, He can still make level editors just not something that appears to be a blatant ripoff of SMM.

For the record, I can also understand why somebody thinks this should stay up. I just think that a lot of people here are completely overblowing how unreasonable( or "psychotic" or "sick" or "money grubbing" )the C&D side is, while to me they actually seem to be the more level headed and reasonable side in the thread.
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Sigh, shareholders brag about Nintendo having billions in the bank cash flow and somehow we're worried that a hobby project, much smaller in scale and attention than Project M for example, might hurt someone somewhere as if any one person's entire livelihood somehow hinges on SMM being more than a multimillion seller for Nintendo that has billions in the bank, as if this huge game that had hundreds of hands working on it may have its legacy damaged by a knock off. I just don't get it. That's just ultra apologist to me. Please paint to me a scenario where someone doesn't get any more money than they otherwise do because a knock off of their game releases and gets a couple thousand downloads.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Sigh, shareholders brag about Nintendo having billions in the bank cash flow and somehow we're worried that a hobby project, much smaller in scale and attention than Project M for example, might hurt someone somewhere as if any one person's entire livelihood somehow hinges on SMM being more than a multimillion seller for Nintendo that has billions in the bank, as if this huge game that had hundreds of hands working on it may have its legacy damaged by a knock off. I just don't get it. That's just ultra apologist to me. Please paint to me a scenario where someone doesn't get any more money than they otherwise do because a knock off of their game releases and gets a couple thousand downloads.
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The difference here is that this is a direct rip off of a game on the market. If you're cool with people ripping off AAA games then I'm waiting for your argument when someone rips off something like Undertale.

This isn't about fun little fan projects. It's a straight up port of a retail game with some very minor changes. Once you say "yeah it's cool to rip this off" then you basically say that IP rights mean nothing and fuck any creative endeavor.
It is interesting how everyone's cool with ripping off Nintendo products but has issues when people mod Call of Duty games.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Sigh, shareholders brag about Nintendo having billions in the bank cash flow and somehow we're worried that a hobby project, much smaller in scale and attention than Project M for example, might hurt someone somewhere as if any one person's entire livelihood somehow hinges on SMM being more than a multimillion seller for Nintendo that has billions in the bank, as if this huge game that had hundreds of hands working on it may have its legacy damaged by a knock off. I just don't get it. That's just ultra apologist to me. Please paint to me a scenario where someone doesn't get any more money than they otherwise do because a knock off of their game relases and gets a couple thousand downlos.
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well you don't know what the final project is going to end up like, and how many downloads it will end up with, so yeah I am not going to play psychic like you're doing. I already said it could be small, or possibly popular enough to hurt Nintendo somewhere if made well enough. I also said I can understand the other point of view why it should stay, so I dont think I'm being a super apologist ( being an apologist could also be said about you btw).
Anyhoo, whatever. If you think people are being "sick" and or just sticking up for greed , I'll just say I disagree and end it there
 
I despise this and hope he gets a C&D. I LOVE Super Mario Maker and it´s pushed me to make my own Mario Maker, the main differences being that a)I will most likely not find the time to complete it and b)instead of ripping Mario I´m using it as inspiration and trying to come up with someting different and an original setting (character, locations, story...), which is precisely the point where I´ve been stuck for the last weeks. This guy is just ripping a game and trying to ride the wave of that game´s popularity.
 
The lame developer even copied the style of the original MarioMaker with this new version. Is this guy not capable of own ideas?

By the way. Its astounding how people download every crap from unknown developers and install it on their PC. And later they wonder how their PC got part of a bot net or how bad people compromised their PC.
 
There was absolutely zero need to rip off elements straight from Mario Maker, starting with the logo font/format. They're setting themselves up for a C&D where they could have perfectly got away with this otherwise.
 
Weltall Zero said:
There was absolutely zero need to rip off elements straight from Mario Maker, starting with the logo font/format. They're setting themselves up for a C&D where they could have perfectly got away with this otherwise.
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I doubt he/she is interested in creating a good maker, they just want to be popular. I'm sure this "project" won't last more than a month.
 
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