OminoMichelin
Member
Demise would be a wonderful boss in adventure mode
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
- Start date
Demise would be a wonderful boss in adventure mode
I hope more characters will have alts like Wario did in brawl.
That might just be another reason for the TP Link; consistency with other characters. While Sheik didn't appear in TP either, she still had an official TP counterpart design that was scrapped.
SS Zelda is in a pretty unique situation, since they don't have something like that to work with -- even Toon Zelda would have Tetra as her B-Down.
I think Ganondorf's one of those characters who just can't be omitted. That said, I'd be up for it as well as Ganondorf.
Vermillion
Banned
I hope for a mix.
NeonZ
Member
I don't think they have that kind of priority. Just look at Zelda in Melee. Zelda herself was represented by two new movesets, while Ganondorf was just a last minute addition.
I don't see why it's confusing. Look at Ocarina of Time Link in SSB/SSBM. He could use boomerangs even as an adult and had aerial attacks based on AoL. The Vs Dark Link match also referenced AoL rather than OoT. They pick only one design for Link himself, but he's generally meant to represent the entire series, not just that one specific Link they've chosen.
Well, that's true in the sense that no appearance change so far has changed the name and voice of the characters, but Sakurai has shown that he has no problems with completely mimicking the appearance of another character if it can be done just with a skin (no model changes). You mention that he didn't go with shiny Pokemon costumes, but he did go with Dark Link, which was a skin taken straight out of Twilight Princess.
Also, his comments about Dark Link and OoT colors Zelda:
Not going with shiny Pokemon might have had more to do with Pokemon Company's higher control over their characters.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But I want moe Zelda!
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I'm hoping for that bias. I don't want him to cut Dedede.
But i know if it comes down to him or meta knight the fans love the latter alot more.
I don't think I could take moe Zelda without SS Link. I need my OTP.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Do away with Beast Ganon, have Ganondorf's Final Smash turn him into Demise. Basically similar to Giga Bowser but with crazy lightning projectiles and dashing instead of slow, lumbering, easy-to-avoid attacks. Make it so and I may forgive you for what you did to him in Brawl.
NotDreamcast
Member
Huh... Never noticed until now that Mario's hair and mustache are different colors.
Red Arremer
Member
I'm hoping for that bias. I don't want him to cut Dedede.
But i know if it comes down to him or meta knight the fans love the latter alot more.
If it came down to either Dedede or Meta Knight, Dedede would take the cake (pun intended), simply for the reason that he has a much bigger legacy than Meta Knight.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Snake's replacement.
Yeah, that's what Sakurai explained in the developer direct. All characters now have attack effects to make those more noticeable. It's both a nice way to instantly gauge the move's range and also helps players recognize attacks, which comes in handy for the 3DS's small screen resolution.
I'd be all for Ghirahim and/or Demise! I think the latter would work better as a boss or Ganondorg's final smash, though, but Ghirahim was the more iconic villain from SS, as he was around for longer, so the game was able to develop him as a character way more than Demise, IMO.
It'd be great to see Mewtwo again, but I feel like Pokémon already has way too many Gen 1 representatives, which is probably why they chose Lucario in Brawl. It was a really cool character though, not being your classic Nintendo hero and doing cool things such as floating instead of walking/running and wielding items with its psychic powers.
My favorite pic yet. I hope it doesn't take long for us to get some more character reveals
haha, that's great. suits their personalities from each game, more or less.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
My feeling is exactly same based on Palutena, but I would love to see her in the game however I'm afraid that Sakurai might be modest about his characters. If Palutena got in, then she is more likely to be secret character which would make the guessing game more harder.
Too many awesome characters in Kid Icarus Uprising. Can we just turn the game into Smash Bros. vs. Kid Icarus? Or maybe Smash Bros. vs. Kid Icarus vs. Fire Emblem?
I suggested same thing in Prediction Contest.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57708236&postcount=550
You did pretty awesome job.
Yeah, I really love cartoony color vibes that Sakurai created for SSB4 since it felt so right for the series.
Next Nintendo Direct I guess?
NeonZ
Member
Mewtwo likely would have his new form though, so he'd be a gen 6 representative. It might be the easiest way to represent the new generation, especially if you look at Brawl and the lack of representation there for games released late into its development, like Galaxy. Tweaking Mewtwo's old moveset while removing tail attacks might be the easiest way to add a gen 6 representative.
Palutena isn't really a Sakurai character though.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, more likely.
Soulscribe
Member
If there isn't a Mario Galaxy stage I'm gonna be sad
Imagine the stage just being a planet, and characters can run all the way around it. It would be so chaotic and fun.
Imagine the stage just being a planet, and characters can run all the way around it. It would be so chaotic and fun.
Where is the Kamiya one?
If there isn't a Mario Galaxy stage I'm gonna be sad
Imagine the stage just being a planet, and characters can run all the way around it. It would be so chaotic and fun.
That would be pretty awesome. When characters are launched, would they orbit around the stage? lol
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But that's not the case for Pokemon, even in Brawl. Hell, the same could be said this gen since 6 will be out this year in October. If anything, I worry about Gen 5 not getting reps despite awesome stuff like Genesect, Keldeo, N, and Meloetta.
Xane
Member
Red Rudolph
Member
See, here's where I have trouble seeing Palutena's inclusion. Also, as a side note, I actually really enjoy Palutena the character, this is just my logic for not getting your hopes up about her inclusion.
I've looked over the rosters from the previous Smash games, and most of the playable characters have been, well, just that. Playable characters from their games. I know many will argue about ROB and Dr. Mario, and there's some weight in that. You play as Falco in multiplayer SF64 and... can you play as Wolf? I don't remember. Ganondorf is another exception, but I think this relative rule can be broken for infamous villains.
Palutena, however, is nothing but support. A Final Smash from Brawl. Fun character? Yes, without a doubt. But to expect her to come to Brawl as playable with an entire moveset dedicated to her when all she really does in KI:U is chatter throughout the game? That seems like a stretch to me. I'd expect to see Hades before Palutena, and I don't expect to see Hades. She isn't playable, she isn't a villain, and she isn't really known for combat (yeah, yeah, neither is Zelda or Peach, I know).
Could it happen? Of course, this is Smash, and KI:U is Sakurai's game. We all know Sakurai can tend to give some priority to his babies. But I'm trying to be realistic about what characters I get my hopes up about, and I don't see Palutena happening.
I've looked over the rosters from the previous Smash games, and most of the playable characters have been, well, just that. Playable characters from their games. I know many will argue about ROB and Dr. Mario, and there's some weight in that. You play as Falco in multiplayer SF64 and... can you play as Wolf? I don't remember. Ganondorf is another exception, but I think this relative rule can be broken for infamous villains.
Palutena, however, is nothing but support. A Final Smash from Brawl. Fun character? Yes, without a doubt. But to expect her to come to Brawl as playable with an entire moveset dedicated to her when all she really does in KI:U is chatter throughout the game? That seems like a stretch to me. I'd expect to see Hades before Palutena, and I don't expect to see Hades. She isn't playable, she isn't a villain, and she isn't really known for combat (yeah, yeah, neither is Zelda or Peach, I know).
Could it happen? Of course, this is Smash, and KI:U is Sakurai's game. We all know Sakurai can tend to give some priority to his babies. But I'm trying to be realistic about what characters I get my hopes up about, and I don't see Palutena happening.
NeonZ
Member
Starfox Assault, multiplayer.
You're kind of forgetting or ignoring Zelda/Sheik though. In fact, Zelda getting added to Melee, as two different character, before Ganondorf, is the main reason I think Palutena will be the second Kid Icarus character. The pattern is very similar - important supporting female character (who is part of the series' title in Japan), who is unplayable in her own series becoming a playable character in Smash.
Also, Palutena did have a boss fight. That's more than Zelda at the time she was added to Smash. Also, don't forget Wario. Although he's a playable character in many games, the version in Brawl was mostly based on his Warioware appearances, where he isn't really directly playable, with the gameplay focusing on the microgames, not Wario himself.
Diamond & Pearl was released in September, 2006. Lucario, specifically, on the other hand, was revealed as far back as midway through 2005. Brawl only came out in the beginning of 2008. Even though cooperating with Pokemon Company seems to mean they get more up to date representation than other parts of Nintendo, I don't think the timeline favors a completely original X/Y playable representation, especially if this Smash game really is meant to come out next year already. Adding an unplanned character late in development is harder and can result in delays, like what happened with Sonic.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Magnus it is then.
Wii Fit Trainer isn't exactly a playable character, so I don't think this is an established tradition. Was Zelda playable in any of the Zelda games, prior to Melee?
NeonZ
Member
Only in the CD-i games not made by Nintendo.
Not including the CD-i games, none that come to mind, including Sheik.
& what about Captain Falcon? Wouldn't he fall under the whole "never was a playable character beforehand" since you were controlling his vehicle instead of him as a person?
Megidolaon
Member
A Galaxy stage where you're launched and fighting while in orbit is AWESOME!
And an Elite Beat Agents stage please. Make it happen Nintendo. Heck I wouldn't mind an Elite Beat Agent playable.
And an Elite Beat Agents stage please. Make it happen Nintendo. Heck I wouldn't mind an Elite Beat Agent playable.
Megidolaon
Member
Fully support EBA/Ouendan as playable characters, assist trophies, &/or as a playable stage. All the people you helped in the background waving their hands while EBA or Ouendan (either both or whoever wasn't made playable) are doing their moves, cheering the fighters on while flames are slowly building up as time goes on or more KOs are dealt. No idea if they could use the music from those games due to licensing, but maybe music from Rhythm Heaven/Fever, Band Brothers, and Harmoknight can be selectable. & as suggested before, have the circle and drag notes be hazards and platforms.
& wouldn't mind seeing other rhythm games such as the ones mentioned above being represented via assist trophy, stages, or selectable music.
& wouldn't mind seeing other rhythm games such as the ones mentioned above being represented via assist trophy, stages, or selectable music.
Tetra is the best. >_<
JBtheHunter
Banned
Olimar is not going to get replaced... This notion boggles my mind.
Lucas didn't replace Ness, and Ness was only in one game. Olimar has been the lead in the first TWO games and will appear in the third. Olimar is in the third game because Nintendo knows people wanted him to be. He will also be in Smash 4.
Not only is there never an opportunity where you control him outside of his vehicle in any of the F-Zero games, there's nothing to hint that he's pyrokinetic which they run with in SSB.
Red Rudolph
Member
I'd say that counts. You're racing as Captain Falcon, even if you're not using his two legs. You're still controlling him controlling the vehicle. And yeah, the Zelda/Sheik angle can be argued, for sure. It's not a concrete rule or anything, just really a fairly logical point of view. Sheik was an active character, and it'd be weird to have her in without Zelda.
I just think, from a logical perspective, Palutena is pretty low on the totem pole as far as viable playable characters go. Sakurai will do what Sakurai do, but she's one degree away from being a disembodied voice. To embody her and have her actively jumping around and whatnot seems Farfetch'd.
FARFETCH'D FOR SMASH BROS. 4