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[Stinkles]

Yeah, sure. I watched a livestream from most of the event and it was antifa who had knives and threw over 2 dozen M80s into crowds of people. It was antifa who were hostile to the media. There were brawls started by both sides because tensions were so high. And yes, there were a small number of actual white nationalists there but the vast majority were there for supporting free speech.

The whole thing was a shit show really. The extreme right and the extreme left made a fool of themselves as usual.

Sure Jan

 

[EdibleKnife]

I agree with MLK.

Who was then abused by our government, shot and today is forced to share his day of remembrance in some areas with that of a confederate general for the sake of "equality". Violence sure as shit solved the civil rights problem for white supremacists.

 

[bob_arctor]

MLK card? Wut? Ive hard about women card, racist card, but never MLK card. News to me. I just agree with him...

Goddamn you some ignorant ass mothafuckas nowadays.

 

[ClosingADoor]

What are PoC doing manifesting alongside someone throwing the nazi salute? What the fuck do they think that is the far right endgame?

I blame a complete lack of focus on history classes in schools. Well, that goes for everyone actually. Because white people throwing that sign are just as despicable.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Receipts on this.

And name ten major social issues of the day solved entirely non-violently.

Isn't the point of progressive politics to improve society through government, not vigilante violence?

You could argue that all government action is ultimately violence like libertarians do, but I don't view it as such.

 

[Link]

or they knew idiots came to fight so it's basically mutual combat. they are disturbing the peace and whatever but if they didn't choose to enforce that it's up to them

And you think this is better?

 

[Shai-Tan]

yes this is all high minded with MLK quotes. or they're just morons

 

[fantomena]

Using MLK to defend white supremacy. disgusting.

Jesus fucking christ. Im not defending white supremacy at all. The only thing is that I do not want to use violence against white supremacists, against anyone.

Goddamn you some ignorant ass mothafuckas nowadays.

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[Derwind]

I agree with MLK.

Jesus fucking christ. Im not defending white supremacy at all. The only thing is that I do not want to use violence against white supremacists.

Randomly dropping a MLK passage without explanation is suspect as fuck. Either you explain yourself or stand to be misunderstood.

 

[Amir0x]

MLK QUOTE WAR!!

I agree with MLK.

Oh god it's MLK, everyone scatter

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Even MLK knew that the end result of persistent injustice will be violence, and the only way to end such violence is to fix the injustice.


Want to end this violence, fantomena? Stop letting white supremacists talking about genocide.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Using MLK to defend white supremacy. disgusting.

I don't think people are trying to defend white supremacy so much as to decry violence and suggest that in situations like this it won't actually achieve anything

 

[Nepenthe]

Oh shit, you pulled the MLK card. Here's my rebuttal--

Fuck

offf

It's fine, he just activated my two trap cards.

 

[Heroman]

I agree with MLK.

I agree with Malcolm X

 

[Slayven]

Using MLK to defend "peaceful" white supremacy. disgusting.

MLK would be loathed today.

 

[Izuna]

Jesus fucking christ. Im not defending white supremacy at all. The only thing is that I do not want to use violence against white supremacists.

For fear that they'll be more white supremacy?

 

[fantomena]

Want to end this violence, fantomena? Stop letting white supremacists talking about genocide.

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.

For fear that they'll be more white supremacy?

Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

 

[Rayis]

The white supremacist government we have refuses to keep an eye on these terrorists, what a shame they're getting away with their heinous acts.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Talking to someone isn't meeting them in the middle. It is the means by which you introduce new information and criticism which they can use to reevaluate their position.

Have fun doing that while they punch you in the face.

 

[Link]

Perfect

 

[ClosingADoor]

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.



Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

We are past that point. The silence against it has led to nazi's taking the White House.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

a guy wearing a "jesus will judge you" sweatshirt while kicking a man who's on the ground

lmao

These people

 

[Rembrandt]

I agree with MLK.

I thought we were way past this since it gets ridiculed every time and somebody ends up posting the riots are the language of the unheard pic.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Black Genocide, how do you debate against the slaughter of black people for no reason other than they are black?

How aware do you think the average Trump supporter is about the experience of blacks? Is that worth changing?

 

[MrHoot]

I'm glad we talked to the nazis back in 45, it really helped resolve that war peacefully

 

[Amir0x]

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.

Sometimes, yes. Violence has been INDISPUTABLY known to help end conflicts of all kinds. Are you trying to rewrite history because it's inconvenient?

You don't even have to like punching in the face to be unable to deny that fact. I don't even like punching in the face, but there are exceptions and people who advocate for the genocide of jews and blacks are one such exception. Violence does solve problems, sometimes. In some scenarios.

And we already saw the results from punching Richard Spencer. After he was first punched for example he canceled his appearance at the Women's March and spoke about how he was fearful to go out. He now has to order security and have getaway cars and makes less appearances as a result.

Did it work? YUP.

 

[necrosis]

The black bloc (antifa, etc) have been shutting down events with violence. Is political violence okay now? Because this country really is fucked if that's what it's come to.

lmfao

fuck off back to the_donald

 

[Izuna]

Yes

 

[Melkezadek]

How aware do you think the average Trump supporter is about the experience of blacks? Is that worth changing?

You can't, because the minute you bring up race to them, they lose their fucking minds.

 

[Rembrandt]

If only cops stop beating us. We wouldn't get anywhere near as much sympathy.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Have fun doing that while they punch you in the face.

So your solution is to punch them in the face first? How will this solve anything? I agree that things need to be done about hate speech, but I just don't see how violence will help.

If anything it just gives the white supremacists a tool they can use to help spin their own fallacious narrative

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

There's so much wrong in this image....

One of the good ones!

 

[theWB27]

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.



Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

Then you educate yourself. Cause all you're doing is taking the blame off of racists and placing it on the people who don't want to be ostracized by them.

If you can sympathize with racism...then you don't think it's bad. There's not much else to that. There is a part of you who think racists have a legit point to make.

 

[Sou Da]

So your solution is to punch them in the face first? How will this solve anything? I agree that things need to be done about hate speech, but I just don't see how violence will help.

If anything it just gives the white supremacists a tool they can use to help spin their own fallacious narrative

If you don't give it to them they'll false flag and make up shit anyways, what's your point here?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

How aware do you think the average Trump supporter is about the experience of blacks? Is that worth changing?

They can change if they want. Not the responsibility of minorities to educate idiots.

 

[Irnbru]

How aware do you think the average Trump supporter is about the experience of blacks? Is that worth changing?

How long have we tried to tell people about the black experience, hell, let's just go with the minority experience? These people give no fucks, they are envoking people who mass executed Jews for the simple fact of being a Jew.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I agree with MLK.

Didn't take long for someone invoke white people's favorite pokemon.

 

[EdibleKnife]

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.



Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

War and violence has literally been used multiple times within society to gain rights where they were denied. From the American revolution to the Civil War to WW2. Violence indeed was the only thing understood by people who sought the subjugation and even the destruction of certain peoples. Without those acts of violence, white supremacy and minority genocide would be today's normal and accepted

 

[fantomena]

Are you trying to rewrite history because it's inconvenient?

Im trying to not use violence against those who do not share my values. Ive never liked violence. I think even if I was in a sitation where I got robbed, I take the robbers gun I would have problem just shooting the robber in the knee.

Even if I wanted to punch a nazi in the face very badly, I would have big problems doing it.

 

[Nepenthe]

Isn't the point of progressive politics to improve society through government, not vigilante violence?

You could argue that all government action is ultimately violence like libertarians do, but I don't view it as such.

The point of progressive politics is to improve society through achieving equity of opportunity for minorities. There's no stipulation that violence is off the table. Racists and white moderates made that shit up to try and catch progressives in a hypocrisy to devalue their ideology while simultaneously advocating for and laying silent to the violence happening to minorities everyday.

Too bad. Y'all fucked up with this "let's give a white supremacist political administration a shot" "minorities' humanity is up for debate" bullshit. You can't cower away now.

Also, love how you ignored both of my requests and tried to deflect.

 

[MsVirion]

Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

"Well Margaret, I was fine with the blacks, jews and gays - but then that nazi fellah got punched in the jaw, and, well heil Hitler, I guess."

Seriously, when has anyone not already receptive to white supremacy been sympathetic to it?

 

[Kill Your Masters]

By punching them in the face? I don't see how that will stop them.



Yes. I fear using violence will make them stronger, give them more ammo and make it easier for people to symphatize with them.

Well if you punch someone hard enough he will either get knocked out (and you can't speak while knocked out), or break their jaw, which limits loud speech for a prolonged amount of time.

Im trying to not use violence against those who do not share my values. Ive never liked violence. I think even if I was in a sitation where I got robbed, I take the robbers gun I would have problem just shooting the robber in the knee.

Even if I wanted to punch a nazi in the face very badly, I would have big problems doing it.

Everyone who fought against nazism and actually sacrificed their lives did it so you can live your care free life today. You are alive because good men decided to get violent.

 

[Slayven]

How aware do you think the average Trump supporter is about the experience of blacks? Is that worth changing?

Why do they get a pass on being ignornant, and why must minorities educate them? The average black voter might not know about coal miners in WV, but the they know the GOP will fuck up any safety net that exists. These people will kill themselves as along as brown person has it worse than them.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Im trying to not use violence against those who do not share my values. Ive never liked violence. I think even if I was in a sitation where I got robbed, I take the robbers gun I would have problem just shooting the robber in the knee.

Now imagine that situation and the robber has a second gun and is not afraid to shoot it. Your peaceful view now got you killed.

 

[Heroman]

Im trying to not use violence against those who do not share my values. Ive never liked violence. I think even if I was in a sitation where I got robbed, I take the robbers gun I would have problem just shooting the robber in the knee.

How would take the gun away without using violence?

 

[Izuna]

Im trying to not use violence against those who do not share my values. Ive never liked violence. I think even if I was in a sitation where I got robbed, I take the robbers gun I would have problem just shooting the robber in the knee.

I've never liked violence either.

But the first thing I do when I see a fight between a white supremacist and someone who ain't, I'm not going to make the white supremacist the victim.

 

[EatinOlives]

Do you even know what thread you're posing in? Smh, how do read this OP and the first thing you decide to do is chastise the people who aren't the alt-right...

 

[Aaronrules380]

Sometimes, yes. Violence has been INDISPUTABLY known to help end conflicts of all kinds. Are you trying to rewrite history because it's inconvenient?

You don't even have to like punching in the face to be unable to deny that fact. I don't even like punching in the face, but there are exceptions and people who advocate for the genocide of jews and blacks are one such exception. Violence does solve problems, sometimes. In some scenarios.

And we already saw the results from punching Richard Spencer. After he was first punched for example he canceled his appearance at the Women's March and spoke about how he was fearful to go out. He now has to order security and have getaway cars and makes less appearances as a result.

Did it work? YUP.

The effectiveness of violence to solve problems is extremely situational. Violence helped end Apartheid for instance, but I'm not sure it would've been a feasible option if blacks were a minority in South Africa at the time. And making them speak less in public is well and good, but in the modern era of the internet it's ultimately not that effective at stopping them from being able to spread a message imo

 

[Infinite]

Talking to someone isn't meeting them in the middle. It is the means by which you introduce new information and criticism which they can use to reevaluate their position.

Nah I'm good. Straight duffing a mother fucker saying that shit to me or around me.

 

[Alucrid]

How would take the gun away without using violence?

talking to them?