rofif
Banned
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They patched Forbidden West as it was a shimmering mess on release even in 4k mode.
It looks so much better now, I am thinking about replaying it !
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They patched Forbidden West as it was a shimmering mess on release even in 4k mode.
It looks so much better now, I am thinking about replaying it !
nkarafo
Member
I'm not saying shimmering is better or worse than TAA. I'm saying both are shit and you have to pick your poison i guess.
For whatever reason, TAA makes RE2 and RE3 much blurrier than other games to the point where it bothered me. It literally loses texture detail in a sea of blur. TAA doesn't bother me that much in other games.
rofif
Banned
Maybe it really depends on the resolution but I play at 4k and RE2 is not blurry. it looks just right.
Or maybe I don't get he obsessions with ultra sharp 20/20 textures...
nkarafo
Member
I played it at 1080p. i suppose 4K doesn't get as blurry with TAA.
rofif
Banned
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i am talking about the native 4k version. it was amazing at launch but they kept fucking with it and turned down the sharpness.
rofif
Banned
It wasn't
I played it 4k30 and it was aliased and shimmering. It looks way better now and tbh, there is still sharpening happening but the image is finally stable
Drizzlehell
Banned
This might be just my personal quirk but I really do like specular shimmering. If you put too much aliasing on it it just kinda becomes a blurry blob and loses some of that luster and sharpness.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Almost every one of their comparisons looks better with TAA on. The Matrix demo looks especially terrible without it:
TAA critics will always go on about "muh sharpness", but in a modern game with very high amounts of detail, this is like asking to take razor blades to your eyes. The amount of shimmering you get from unfiltered pixels looks horrific. It's somewhat moronic to compare screenshots anyway, considering the main benefit of TAA occurs in motion. If you thought the above Matrix image with TAA off looks bad, in motion every single one of those edges is going to crawl and distort.
Yes, you can lose some texture detail with a poor implementation of TAA, but a lot of the time that is recoverable with sharpening. I've also seen implementations of it with zero perceptible impact on sharpness, on or off. About the only thing I can agree on is occasional ghosting of high contrast moving elements (eg. a dark colored car on a brightly lit race track), but that is improving with newer algorithms.
TAA really does create the 'filmic' look that Timothy Lottes, creator of FXAA, envisioned. In just the above Matrix example, the TAA screenshot could almost pass for a screenshot from a blu-ray movie - softer yes, but pristine - while the latter is unmistakable a videogame.
rofif
Banned
Mia is disgusted with lack of working TAA in village. (it's broken in pc version and essentially does almost nothing). Look a the dithering hair.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I love it, gets rid of jaggies/shimmering when implemented well (in some games it's done badly and a lot of shaders and stuff still get aliasing), even 200% SS @ 1440p isn't as shimmer-free on its own (and has a huge performance toll in comparison). Of course image comparisons don't shimmer.
Was so good to play Alien Isolation with the TAA mod compared to vanilla when that dropped
Was so good to play Alien Isolation with the TAA mod compared to vanilla when that dropped
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Yeah higher resolution - better IQ. At 1080p, yes, it needs additional sharpening pass.
rofif
Banned
Interesting. REsident evil games were updated to allowt o disable AA, enable fxaa, smaa, taa and taa+fxaa.
i've installed made quick comparison. TAA clearly works. I wonder if Vilage TAA is fixed now.. need to check.
Excuse washed out image because of HDR screenshots. Also, it doesn't show up the movement shimmer with fxaa
Also - I've noticed that they fixed gradients banding and film noise is now very subtle and helps to clear remaining banding (like from flashlight cone)
FXAA:
Taa+FXAA
i've installed made quick comparison. TAA clearly works. I wonder if Vilage TAA is fixed now.. need to check.
Excuse washed out image because of HDR screenshots. Also, it doesn't show up the movement shimmer with fxaa
Also - I've noticed that they fixed gradients banding and film noise is now very subtle and helps to clear remaining banding (like from flashlight cone)
FXAA:
Taa+FXAA
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anothertech
Member
Supersample 8k
That is all
That is all
Larxia
Member
of course it doesn't
1080p looks like shit to me nowadays
I mean... You're really a extreme special case though, you have a giant tv on your desk, so of course you need a super high res. Most people don't play in these condition, the context is really
important.
1080p looks pretty fine on a 24" monitor. On 27" you start to need 1440p. On 48"... well yeah.
But I really think the context is important, it doesn't make sense to me to say a resolution is shit without any actual info on the screen size etc. It's like when people complained about the Steam deck being 800p, which is totally fine for a screen of that size, it's actually a higher pixel density for the size than 4K on a big tv.
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Kiya's Guard
Member
There's an opt out for TAA, turn it off
Skifi28
Member
That's what peasants do. I supersample from 16k.
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ZehDon
Banned
Oh, sad to hear you on a budget. Anything less than 32k, might as well scoop your eyes out with a spoon.
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rofif
Banned
Steam deck is a bit low res in person. But it's ok with aa.
I had 4k 27 monitor years ago and you could see the difference anyway but it was good 1440p size
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
Totally agree, TAA is dogshit. Games try to fix it by shipping with sharpening, one of the worst visual effects known to humanity, making TAA actually double dogshit. I've gone to great lengths in some games to disable TAA and sharpening, where officially there was no method.
JimboJones
Member
Come On Tars
Member
Re2 in general has great graphics but horrible post processing options. I think with supersampling or playing at 4k maybe it'll finally look clean.
nkarafo
Member
I love it, gets rid of jaggies/shimmering when implemented well (in some games it's done badly and a lot of shaders and stuff still get aliasing), even 200% SS @ 1440p isn't as shimmer-free on its own (and has a huge performance toll in comparison). Of course image comparisons don't shimmer.
Was so good to play Alien Isolation with the TAA mod compared to vanilla when that dropped
Yeah but in motion it wasn't that good. The trails/ghosting was very obvious in many scenes. Still better than the amount of shimmering you had to deal when the game was released. But now it's better to use downsampling or something i assume, since it's possible even with cheap modern cards, even thought it doesn't completely remove the shimmering.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Mia is disgusted with lack of working TAA in village. (it's broken in pc version and essentially does almost nothing). Look a the dithering hair.
The bottom line is whether or not small details like that are gonna somehow improve my enjoyment of the game, and in vast majority of those cases the answer is: no.
There comes a point at which the game just looks good enough for me and I don't really give a shit whether the character's hair are diddling or whatever. Especially if the entire model looks like an uncanny valley nightmare that I wouldn't want to bump into in a dark alley.
rofif
Banned
Absolutely. No way to disagree with you here.
The bottom line is whether or not small details like that are gonna somehow improve my enjoyment of the game, and in vast majority of those cases the answer is: no.
There comes a point at which the game just looks good enough for me and I don't really give a shit whether the character's hair are diddling or whatever. Especially if the entire model looks like an uncanny valley nightmare that I wouldn't want to bump into in a dark alley.
These are just details and do not matter too much.
These games look astonishing taa or not. Mia look like really annoying house wife... like... too real lol
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roosnam1980
Gold Member
is there a TAA mod for alien isolation?
SkyHighTrees
Member
You can't say that if you play Gran Turismo 7 on an OLED. The game runs at full 4k60 plus TAA, has the best IQ on console til this day!
Yep the game looks amazing with it.
roosnam1980
Gold Member
i have the GOG version of alien isolation , does the mod run with it?
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
I like my razor blade shimmers, but a softer image is cool too
I Master l
Banned
I didn't play GT7 but for racing games MSAA is a must IMO
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
I have changed my stance. i want all of the sharp razor blade shimmers. I could not give a flying fuck about my game looking like a movie, i prefer clarity and sharpness. Some of the TAA comparisons posted earlier in the thread really look like shit when it comes to smaller details and not blurring the fuck out of the image.
Like that Matrix image and how the supposed superior TAA solution fucks up all of the visible text on signposts and posters
people are starting to make videos on how terrible modern gaming's anti aliasing is because of this horrendous solution.
Soodanim
Member
You're a maniac. I find shimmering so distracting that I'm willing to sacrifice some sharpness if it means fixing it.
I think dropping MSAA as an option, despite the heavy requirements, was unfortunate. I suppose the upscaling solutions are helping there.
Von Hugh
Member
I go for MSAA every chance I get.
Tarnpanzer
Member
In my opinion: DLAA.
amigastar
Member
But as far as i know MSAA is very performance heavy, right? What about SMAA?
There are so many AA solutions it's crazy but 4x MSAA seems to be the best one.
Tarnpanzer
Is DLAA something like DLSS? I mean do you get better performance with it?
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Tarnpanzer
Member
FeralEcho
Member
Gimme the bluriest image possible if it means I don't have to cut my fucking eyes in those garbage jagged edges....especially in today's age where displays are much bigger.
You guys that preffer the shimmering and jagged edges are crazy.
That Matrix example is absolutely terrible,oh gee I can now see some tiny text on the street signs without AA....sure, let's not state the fact that now the entire front building and street look like the edge of a sawblade lmao
I don't even wanna imagine what that razorwired shit looks like in motion
You guys that preffer the shimmering and jagged edges are crazy.
That Matrix example is absolutely terrible,oh gee I can now see some tiny text on the street signs without AA....sure, let's not state the fact that now the entire front building and street look like the edge of a sawblade lmao
I don't even wanna imagine what that razorwired shit looks like in motion
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YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
OPs thread has risen from the ashes. Surely that constitutes an unban? If only for the fun of it.