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Take Two pushes back against class action lawsuit that says it is stealing from players when they lose virtual currency
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
Funny Take Two doesn't get half the shit EA gets.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
If someone charged me money, took the money away without an equal transaction in return, then told me I was buying imagination, I'd kick them down a flight of stairs.
tommycronin
Member
Then why do people get banned for participating in this make-believe via virtual 5 finger discount
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah I feel like someone hasn't thought this through.
LavitzSlambert
Member
The mere existence of this shitty business model is bad enough.
ReBurn
Gold Member
But if you're paying real money for virtual currency aren't you really just buying imagination?
CamHostage
Member
Well, all currency is "fiction". It's paper and precious resources as well as ledger notations of transactions that we as a society agree have value in order to broker trade with one another.
Winning this lawsuit would pierce the veil of all world economies and open the door to economic anarchy.
So... good luck?
Winning this lawsuit would pierce the veil of all world economies and open the door to economic anarchy.
So... good luck?
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Sorry this is just insane and they can't be allowed to get away with it.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Take Two would sue you for stealing that fiction.
angrod14
Member
Virtual currency is a mean for the player to purchase content within the game. It's not an end by itself.
When I purchase an eShop giftcard, I'm buying virtual currency with real money, but in order to then acquire a digital product. The trick here is, even though they irrevocably take my money forever, and they even label the transaction as a "purchase", I'm not technically buying anything, since there's no transfer of ownership according to the TOS. I'm essentially paying for a movie ticket (in this case, a game ticket) that gives me access to the content indefinetely, but doesn't give me any sort of guarantee as a consumer.
It's quite insane if you think about it. How are they able to get away with this stuff and not get eaten by consumer protection regulators? I will never understand.
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angrod14
Member
Do we live in a simulation?Well, all currency is "fiction". It's paper and precious resources as well as ledger notations of transactions that we as a society agree have value in order to broker trade with one another.
Winning this lawsuit would pierce the veil of all world economies and open the door to economic anarchy.
So... good luck?
CamHostage
Member
Well, there's the root question of what you're paying for and how long you're expecting it to have the same value. Like you said, when you purchase a movie ticket, you're renting a seat in a theater for 2 hours to view a motion picture, and when you leave, you have nothing to show for it except memories and a piece of paper. (And in modern theaters, often they don't even give you the paper if they can scan you digitally.) So, what is the transaction, what is the lasting value of that exchange, is there "resale" value in transferring that virtual product, and how long can you expect to use the thing you paid for before it's no longer available to you?
That would be a much more valid concept for the lawyer to propose than, "Relax, it's all fake." Oh, ok... just curious though, are you being paid in cash, or are your lawyer fees paid via a digital transaction between banks for virtual fiat money created by the government?
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, I personally think they are actually scammy AF even more so than EA.
NBA 2K tying SP story mode progression to MTX is just f-d up. I used to play the games for a while mainly for SP mode, but just couldn’t take that BS anymore.
Last Hearth
Member
This would be like a casino suddenly declaring all the chips on the floor are not exchangeable for dollars any more and confiscate them, and tell you the chips are fictional money so you didn’t lose anything.
NoLootBoxDev
Member
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I mean, in a very "haha, dumb consumers get what's coming to them," kind of way, absolutely. Something about trash and treasures and hot wives or something.
wvnative
Member
StereoVsn
Member
Elaborate on what? Have you played their SP story mode? It’s tied to their player character account used both in MP and SP. you get shit stats basically making it necessary to purchase MTX to progress
wvnative
Member
I don't play any sports game so yeah was curious how they are pulling that shit. Always wanting to learn about how twisted they are. Constantly hearing how bad they are but never really got clarity on all the details. So they trash your stats in single player?
Damn
WitchHunter
Banned
In my understanding 2K does not offer VC for money. You can earn it in game and certain individuals sell it to others for fiat money, right? Then what's the class action for?
deeptech
Member
This is curious, like I remember few years back, in-game purchases of many kinds were argued to be gambling by some, and now this thing seems to me so blatantly ironic, reeking of the kind of practice one can find in gambling, where you buy points and if you waste them, that's it, better luck next time friend.
deeptech
Member
Funny considering "real" money is a fiction too, except we all agree like it has some intrinsic value, and hide the fact it can't even wipe your butt properly.
Sorry for double posting...
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DaGwaphics
Member
It's an interesting question. Especially since this is a recurring game and they could obviously keep the credits in the players account when shutting down the servers (they'd be available to the player in the next iteration).
At the same time, I think in the context of games, their argument isn't necessarily flawed. Just because so many games are one and done affairs and games aren't guaranteed to you for ever, the precedent goes the other way with a strong history of games getting disconnected after X amount of years. Paper money and coins have real-world value when you get them, the in game currency doesn't to most people. I wouldn't advice games as a place to put your money for safe keeping.
At the same time, I think in the context of games, their argument isn't necessarily flawed. Just because so many games are one and done affairs and games aren't guaranteed to you for ever, the precedent goes the other way with a strong history of games getting disconnected after X amount of years. Paper money and coins have real-world value when you get them, the in game currency doesn't to most people. I wouldn't advice games as a place to put your money for safe keeping.