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[SPDIF]

Anything significant? [Edit: beaten by OP]

hex int char
4d 77 M
72 114 r
20 32
33 51 3
5f 95 _

"Mr 3_"

He tweeted about that:

Oh also, congratulations to the poster who figured out my name is actually written in HEX. Though for some reason Twitter screwed it up.

4d7220335f345f33 is what it should be. It should give you a clear indication of what I do. Hint: I'm NOT a game developer.

4d7220335f345f33 = Mr 3_4_3

 

[Izick]

Never mind.

 

[Satchel]

Couldn't it be that the mini has the SoC to get its size right down?

 

[DopeyFish]

Durango relies on a mini 360 for BC. Durango has a built in 360 SOC.

Currently it will either have it or won't. But even without BC, the assumption is the 360 SoC is going to be in the system anyways as its going to be used for OS layer (the GPU)... Plan might have changed to have the PPC dedicated to the OS- we aren't sure.

 

[Trevelyon]

Durango relies on a mini 360 for BC. Durango has a built in 360 SOC.

Double BC all the way, whoaaaaaa!

 

[ekim]

Developers are going to access a processor through the speed of fucking USB or WIFI?

The mini just outputs the final rendered picture to Durango. The game would be installed on the mini.

 

[DragonSworne]

The mini just outputs the final rendered picture to Durango. The game would be installed on the mini.

I don't think the mini exists

 

[soul creator]

BC... First via Xbox360 mini and now via SOC inside Durango.
Next time it's emulation.

well, you can combine the Xbox 360 Mini SoC with the Durango 360 SoC to get guaranteed 1080p and 60fps on all Xbox 360 games.

Spoiler

lol

 

[ekim]

I don't think the mini exists

I forgot to mention that I just explained the rumor. I also don't think it exists (for that purpose).

 

[DragonSworne]

well, you can combine the Xbox 360 Mini SoC with the Durango 360 SoC to get guaranteed 1080p and 60fps on all Xbox 360 games.

Spoiler

lol

Also, you can use the extra power to beef up the emulator to run all OG Xbox games in 240fps like pachter intended next gen to be.

 

[Raticus79]

He tweeted about that:

4d7220335f345f33 = Mr 3_4_3

http://www.343industries.org/ ?

Edit: oops, had a fan site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/343_Industries

 

[BlackLagoon]

well, you can combine the Xbox 360 Mini SoC with the Durango 360 SoC to get guaranteed 1080p and 60fps on all Xbox 360 games.

Oooh, sounds like a Crazy Ken betrayalthon!

 

[ekim]

http://www.343industries.org/ ?

So he is no game developer and suggests he is from 343? Yeah...no.

 

[KiteGr]

I think the leaks & rumors about the Nextbox where true (they were even posted on Edge), but Microsoft got nervous of the negative feedback, and now they are re-designing their console and their strategies.
That's why they haven't announced it yet!

With Microsoft redesigning their console the last moment, it looks like the PS4 will come out first, unless we hear differently on E3.

 

[statham]

Also, you can use the extra power to beef up the emulator to run all OG Xbox games in 240fps like pachter intended next gen to be.

Halo 2, here I come.

 

[Satchel]

I think the leaks & rumors about the Nextbox where true (they were even posted on Edge), but Microsoft got nervous of the negative feedback, and now they are re-designing their console and their strategies.
That's why they haven't announced it yet!

With Microsoft redesigning their console the last moment, it looks like the PS4 will come out first, unless we hear differently on E3.

Good lord

 

[Reiko]

So he is no game developer and suggests he is from 343? Yeah...no.

That or a purposeful troll to throw Detective GAF off guard.

 

[Linkified]

So he is no game developer and suggests he is from 343? Yeah...no.

You know at game studios there are more than game developers?Right? Ya know like PR/Administration/Cleaners

For all we know this is the cleaner who polishes the floors at night though.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

I think the leaks & rumors about the Nextbox where true (they were even posted on Edge), but Microsoft got nervous of the negative feedback, and now they are re-designing their console and their strategies.
That's why they haven't announced it yet!

With Microsoft redesigning their console the last moment, it looks like the PS4 will come out first, unless we hear differently on E3.

Yeah that's totally what happened...
...

 

[ekim]

That or a purposeful troll to throw Detective GAF off guard.

He is just trolling.

 

[Eclectic Jabber Monkey]

Massive thread, so not sure if mentioned, but if the 360 SoC is reality what is to keep Microsoft from making two Durango SKUs, one with the 360 SoC, one without. The SoC version would cost say, $50 - $100 more. If you want back compat, you got it. Maybe the back compat version has a somewhat bigger HD too.

If the back compat SoC version bombs, they could easily reduce their future costs by cutting that SKU altogether.

 

[statham]

Its Stinkles, hes trolling us.

 

[FuturusX]

You know at game studios there are more than game developers?Right? Ya know like PR/Administration/Cleaners

For all we know this is the cleaner who polishes the floors at night though.

You forgot House Elves. No game can be completed without them.

 

[ekim]

You know at game studios there are more than game developers?Right? Ya know like PR/Administration/Cleaners

For all we know this is the cleaner who polishes the floors at night though.

Yeah. But only devs would have access to the devkits and they are not allowed to talk about Durango with other people that didn't sign an NDA even inside their company.

 

[Linkified]

You forgot House Elves. No game can be completed without them.

That is only Warner Bros Interactive they have to pay JK Rowling the visa fees.

 

[Alucrid]

So was this originally named 'tales from my ass' or was that a title update to clue me in on the thread situation?

 

[ekim]

So was this originally named 'tales from my ass' or was that a title update to clue me in on the thread situation?

The latter

 

[DragonSworne]

That is only Warner Bros Interactive they have to pay JK Rowling the visa fees.

What visa fees? Everyone knows the wizarding world does not follow smuggle laws.

 

[Alucrid]

The latter

Thanks, I shall pay no heed then.

 

[GoofsterStud]

BC... First via Xbox360 mini and now via SOC inside Durango.
Next time it's emulation.

First it was No BC, then Xbox 360 Mini, now onboard expense (yeah right), so your right emulation is all that's left. :-/

I take that back, handheld BC addon. HAHA

 

[DragonSworne]

First it was No BC, then Xbox 360 Mini, now onboard expense (yeah right), so your right emulation is all that's left. :-/

I take that back, handheld BC addon. HAHA

There's also BC through internet like Sony!

 

[ekim]

First it was No BC, then Xbox 360 Mini, now onboard expense (yeah right), so your right emulation is all that's left. :-/

I take that back, handheld BC addon. HAHA

And Onlive/cloud gaming BC.

Edit: beaten

 

[GoofsterStud]

There's also BC through internet like Sony!

Damn.. Pwned!

 

[Reiko]

Its Stinkles, hes trolling us.

Can't be. He's probably F5ing the Man of Steel trailer thread

He is just trolling.

True.

 

[AgentP]

You know at game studios there are more than game developers?Right? Ya know like PR/Administration/Cleaners

For all we know this is the cleaner who polishes the floors at night though.

Is this him?

 

[scitek]

If the Xbox Mini is $99 I will buy one only to make it my XBLA games machine.

I'd essentially be paying $100 just to play Shadow Complex again.

 

[jayu26]

Massive thread, so not sure if mentioned, but if the 360 SoC is reality what is to keep Microsoft from making two Durango SKUs, one with the 360 SoC, one without. The SoC version would cost say, $50 - $100 more. If you want back compat, you got it. Maybe the back compat version has a somewhat bigger HD too.

If the back compat SoC version bombs, they could easily reduce their future costs by cutting that SKU altogether.

Except...

There was a reason why MS hired so many former IBM and AMD employees. I'll admit I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm in software) so I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of how the 360 SOC integrates into the Durango motherboard. All I know, and all I need to know about this new change is that I (or a game dev) can use the 360 SOC in parallel with the original Durango hardware.

Which means either games are going to need this power or they don't and it's just expensive hardware. Another thing is, why would any one design something like this? So fuck'en inefficient.

 

[ekim]

He could have easily proven himself legit if he would be really inside 343 - Just saying.

 

[p3tran]

I didnt catch the original title, but I approve 100% of the current one

 

[Linkified]

Yeah. But only devs would have access to the devkits and they are not allowed to talk about Durango with other people that didn't sign an NDA even inside their company.

All it takes is one set of lose lips though and someone working late and one cleaner just listening to them and taking it in.

For example if I said to Edge: "Oh the next Xbox 360 will required online and not have physical media", and as we all know it is easier to sell negative news than positive news, they just post "Next Xbox will require online connection and won't play used games" - but hopefully everything will be ironed out and we will know one way or another come May 21st.

 

[Reiko]

He could have easily proven himself legit if he would be really inside 343 - Just saying.

I dunno. Revealing yourself to be a first party dev is begging for a corporate beatdown.

 

[Linkified]

What visa fees? Everyone knows the wizarding world does not follow smuggle laws.

Did you not know she was the Muggle diplomat for Wizarding World therefore she has to negotiate the fees for house elves and floo network to get them to work especially in the states.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I'd be very, very happy if BC turned out to be true.

 

[gblues]

Is this him?

I like how the math on each panel is completely different.

 

[ekim]

All it takes is one set of lose lips though and someone working late and one cleaner just listening to them and taking it in.

For example if I said to Edge: "Oh the next Xbox 360 will required online and not have physical media", and as we all know it is easier to sell negative news than positive news, they just post "Next Xbox will require online connection and won't play used games" - but hopefully everything will be ironed out and we will know one way or another come May 21st.

Afaik, the always online stuff is true for the devkits (to prevent people from selling them) but no one outside of MS knows if the retail unit has the same requirement.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I don't believe this.

Don't, because I know for a fact it isn't true. I never thought they would do it, but they were considering it.

 

[Uhyve]

I dont think you can measure it like that. The 240gflops from Xenos is not equal to 240gflops from these new GPUs in PS4/Durango. The architecture is much more efficient now, so the flops are not going to be directly comparable, at least in real world performance. Also we dont know how it would be potentially set up in Durango architecture wise, the 360 SoC.

It also doesn't seem like the easiest thing to take advantage of(maybe a programmer with more knowledge coud shed some light here), a PPC architecture combined with x86 seems like a headache, and therefor you might not be able to take advantage of it as much as a x360 by it self would, could equate to a lot of wasted cycles(pure speculation here). Seems like a lot of work for little gain, I could also see only a handful of devs actually using it. Hell devs might not even have access to it. It might just be for BC/OS/Kinect, as this would make a lot more sense.

I still think the whole thing is BS based off of cost reduction down the line alone. If the 360 SoC is required for anything other BC, you would never be able to remove it.

Agreed on pretty much everything. Just thinking about trying to use a PPC and x86 processor at the same time is making my head hurt, it's not impossible but it'd be up there with the Sega Saturn in levels of programming difficulty. And as with any multithreading, there would be an overhead (wasted cycles), in this case however, it would be approximately a bajillion times worse.

The most obvious usage I can think of for something like this, is using the GPU, since they're at least similar API-wise. However, using it for rendering is very unlikely, though you could use it as a physics card or for other GPGPU style functions. Funnily enough, for this type of usage flops would be a good measurement of usefulness, since it'd be mostly floating point operations.

Fake Edit: Forgot to mention, I don't believe any of this, just joining in with the speculation.

 

[soul creator]

mentioned a couple times before, but considering the 360 SoC has been used since 2010, which itself is made up of a CPU/GPU architecture from 2004, I don't think it'd necessarily be the massive cost that some may think it is. PS3 is different since I don't think they were able to shrink/cost-reduce RSX/Cell as easily as MS has been able to. I do find it somewhat funny that an Nvidia GPU (and the hard drive) was an albatross for MS on Xbox 1, and an Nvidia GPU is probably an albatross for Sony on the PS3.

That said, I don't think the whole "it forms like Voltron to give more Durango power!" part is true though. But who knows. These tales are from my ass as well.

 

[Router]

Welcome back Secret Sauce. We missed you.

 

[Nerdstrom]

Hmmm. I totally buy it. Durango hardware for 720 games and 360 soc powers not only full bc and Kinect 1 support but alsocan switch to say Kinect v2 mode or streaming media or LIVE
mode. Imagine if your current 360 were only used for Kinect, video and arcade? It'd be beastly.

Think about it. Why would Microsoft throw 7 years of LIVE growth down the drain and start all over? Bc was always going to be included but it was kept secret because it puts a whole different spin on the hardware AND the software. Gamers can bring years of LIVE with them and the Durango chipset is free for next gen goodness.

If the system on chip is only 50 as the chart states we could easily see a 99 dollar 360 this holiday without needing to subscribe to Live.