iceatcs
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Yep. Pray for 16 cores and dual GPU rumour will become exists.
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TALES FROM MY ASS: Durango rumors discussed by anonymous source
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Yep. Pray for 16 cores and dual GPU rumour will become exists.
Yeah I was confused about that in the old thread and I'm still confused about it now.
I've never heard of that rumor and I've been following the next Gen threads for a while now.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
As soon as you drop the victim act brought on by your own bias you would see that rumors are not negative or positive, they span from wild speculation by a single poster to verified leaks of official documents. Using logic and rational thinking you can discern one from the other and create a weighting system to various rumors. Yes, many people do not think about the source of rumors and just believe all of them outright. Most of the time this is not bias, it is simple laziness, they don't want to think about it and just accept whatever they read.
I love how your example for not being crazy is kind of crazy (or poorly worded). Your prediction says next gen systems would reserve 25%-100% of system RAM for non-gaming - kind of a large window right? And you still missed a likely scenario of 12.5%.
I found another Pastebin about Durango...
http://pastebin.com/PnD3xgFy
http://pastebin.com/PnD3xgFy
SniperHunter
Banned
16 cores is just stupid...most pretty looking PC games today use 4 cores. And more increasingly games today tend to be GPU bound. There are few exceptions like Planetside 2...
Uno Venova
Banned
Doesn't look like any reason to believe this, asses aren't very reliable for next gen info.
Who said it first? Was it kotaku? Were none of them Microsoft?
Jeez guys, can we all just wait and see for real, THEN decide to burn buildings?
SniperHunter
Banned
Don't just write off pastebin like that...pastebin is how we heard about Durango and Orbis initially.
I laughed before I even clicked on this link because I knew it was going to be something crazy lol.
Kotaku had two sources, here are direct quotes from the sources:
"Unless something has changed recently, Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."
"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started, If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
And then Thurott (prominent MS blogger) said: "Must be internet connected to use."
In the end we do not know, but the spinning in this thread that this is only something anti-MS fanboys are spewing is historical revisionism.
Neo gaf is huge. I don't think it'd be possible to have things locked. Would be all too obvious at this stage. But you'd have to wonder with this place being so big if any mods are kept under nda? I mean the amount of information here due to the many eyes and hands of the industry also taking part in discussion here makes for info to get out easy if not by pure slips. Anyway could a mod answer something like that? Are some of you contacted and made to "sweep things under the rug"?
I find it strange how many times he mentions fanboying in the pastebin. Only people who bring that up tend to be fanboys themselves.
I call BS on the post,most of his "leaks" are safe moves, I mean, similar architecture to PS4, kinect integration, no always online (if you ignore other leaks) are all easliy predicted and not all that surprising.
I call BS on the post,most of his "leaks" are safe moves, I mean, similar architecture to PS4, kinect integration, no always online (if you ignore other leaks) are all easliy predicted and not all that surprising.
Sorry i just don't see how a console that requires an online connection to work is "rooted in reality". Such a console wouldn't be viable in the least and no company would be stupid enough to release such hardware.
Edge will simply claim that their article and the negativity surrounding it forced MS to change their strategy.
That would be why the word hardware is in that sentence, thats a software issue to me.
It's Deja Vu... Reading GAF prior to the 360 release, you'd have believed it to be DOA.
The PS3 hardware was just too superior that the 360 would never stand a chance.
BlastProcessing
Member
If you could go ahead and point me towards a cell phone that can emulate ps2 "no sweat", that would be great!
Of course it would make it seem credible. Which is precisely why someone would lie about it. The whole pastebin dump is full of these appeals to credibility. Which should be a big flashing neon "BULLSHIT" sign.
Which is more likely: That Microsoft is creating a super complex architecture for a console where the top priorities are, reliability, efficiency, and reasonable cost OR That one person on the internet is being an anonymous lying jackass?
I haven't got a harmony remote!
What if BC 360 SOC it is not 1:1 360 system, but some new system that is designed for Durango task (os, kinect, coprocessor,...) and can also run/emulate 360 games
So it could be more powerful and versatile than 360. And better integrated with Durango (therefore easier to use)
I just don't see MS putting in complete 360 soc that will be used only when running BC (so almost never). Waste of money. And why would they have so many IBM engineers for just shrinking the 360 chip?
But I believe there will be no built in 360 soc at all.
So it could be more powerful and versatile than 360. And better integrated with Durango (therefore easier to use)
I just don't see MS putting in complete 360 soc that will be used only when running BC (so almost never). Waste of money. And why would they have so many IBM engineers for just shrinking the 360 chip?
But I believe there will be no built in 360 soc at all.
Doug Heffernan
Member
The same can be said of Sony...
Same as the anti-used game route.
That rumor just didn't persist as long and was dispelled around the 20th of February by Shuhei Yoshida.
When did the always-on rumors start flying around?
It's huge. And if the rumors are true and BC is nativr out of the box hen its going to be nothing short of a gamechanger compared to the non-stop talk that it would be impossible.
You mean for Sony?
March 2012. And it's probably traceable back to a misunderstanding from this Kotaku article:
http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details
Example of misunderstanding (compare to Kotaku's update): http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/28/sony-39-s-orbis-online-forever.aspx
Microsoft's rumors are also quite old and are born out of the anti-used games stuff which led to GameStop's stockprice being negatively affected one day after it was all around the media.
his name was always phoenixpause.
No one has said BC is impossible; only impractical. Obviously native BC would be a boon to any console, but its not free. The real question to be asking is how many people would be willing to pay $50-$100 extra for a console with BC.
No, I was talking about when the Xbox always-online rumors began. I thought it was early this year but I wasn't sure.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Crossed my mind as well, and jeff_rigby was suggesting something similar several months ago. It didn't make any sense for his Xbox 361 in 2012 prediction (which obviously didn't come true), but it just might make sense for Durango and/or Xbox Mini.
I've only been skeptical of one. Online required.
The specs rumours are neither here nor there for me. The power of the console is ultimately borderline meaningless for me. I stopped caring about power last Gen (DC, PS2, GC Xbox).
WiiU is weak but it didn't stop me buying one.
Its just tiresome coming into threads to just continue to read nothing but hyperbole and negative spin over anything to do with a console that hasn't been officially announced yet.
Much like the Vita, can't we wait until the console is shown before we declare its doom and how horrible it is?
I mean, everyone here accusing me of harbouring a bias, are trying to support their claim by stating that the negative Xbox rumours are plausible and grounded in reality.
these are the same people that believe a company would release an online required console is plausible.
you must see the irony in that surely.
specialguy
Banned
looks like a noneventful rumor day today.
34 for days until the reveal. less than 5 weeks...
34 for days until the reveal. less than 5 weeks...
As noted earlier MS is looking at this as an Ecosystem. Much like a phone and apps you need congruency across upgrades and with windows phone 8 win 8 Xbox music, video etc. I think they are willing to eat the cost upfront for having a system in 2005 that was not forward looking (iPhone style).
The choices of CPU gpu this new gen mean they can build on that in ~5 years upgrade and keep the new ecosystem in tact going forward where backward compatibility becomes standard
Don't get me wrong, I think the overall strategy is genius and could be HUGE for them long term, I'm just saying that I don't get why BC is so big for people on Gaf, who seem to keep their past console anyway.
ClovingWestbrook
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You actually owe me $50 on Steam. In the Nintendo IRC chat we made a bet, winner gets $50. I said both PS4 and Xbox 720 would have more than 4gb of ram and you said that they would have less. I'm sure you will claim this bet was never made but we both know it was. This was shortly after we found out how much ram the Wii U had.
specialguy
Banned
This would be about the worst way to increase power imaginable. It will suck down 50+ watts for a paltry help.
The 360 chipset is OLD and not energy efficient. Another reason this rumor is false. Everything is about green, energy efficient, cool and quite, all that crap nowdays.
Plus, 240 oldass clunky DX9 Gflops are pretty IRRELEVANT even in the context of 1.2 teraflops of GCN DX11 newness. Yeah, they make Forza Horizon looks great, but in next gen they will be nothing.
Then the issue is this chipset would have to be segregated off somehow. It'd be a nightmare. I'm guessing almost completely useless as far as actually increasing the visuals of the system.
It sort of shows the pastebin guy doesnt know what he's talking about that he thinks this would be a major help to the system.
specialguy
Banned
Lol I won a $50 amazon GC from stevieP, he swore (like every other gaffer) Durango was coming in 2012, I said no way.
I never made him pay...
Reminds of the phase where everybody said PS4 wasnt coming until 2014. I told you guys that was wrong too (no inside info, just common sense)
GreenTornadoX
Member
Rich from ReviewTechUSA mentioned cheesemeister. He think's your name is funny.
specialguy
Banned
Why link that guy? He's a low brow views chasing dork...
Basically "sensationalist overblown headline of the day made into a video for views"
GreenTornadoX
Member
Do you watch any of his videos? >.> He makes videos of his opinions on gaming rumors and does a few reviews. He isn't the best Youtube personality, but his stuff can be decently entertaining at times.
You're not giving a fair shake man.
GreenTornadoX
Member
Welcome to NeoGaf
Microsoft being queit isn't helping.. well Microsoft.
But seriously, people thrive on negativity. No changing of the internet beast.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Pretty damn awesome if true.
you have me confused with someone else dude.
I've never been in any IRC.
As I've said, in older threads I too said the new consoles would have lots of RAM.
professor_t
Member
Yeah, I remember an IGN story quoting an unnamed insider as saying that the PS3 was "orders of magnitude" more powerful than the 360.
Sony fanboys subsequently participated in a landmark circle jerk of epic proportions. MS fanboys either committed suicide, cursed the gaming gods for forsaking them, or vigorously rejected the rumor.