If the Xbox One can stream the game to a tablet, much like the PS4 can to the Vita, it'll actually be better, as you'll still be able to use the One controller.
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TechCrunch: "Xbox One is Microsoft's Spruce Goose"
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Furthermore, Microsoft is a company that often "skates to where the puck was" rather than where it's going to be. Microsoft will never be the company that innovates the next big thing because their general strategy is to take their competitor's playbook from 2 - 5 years ago and attempt to clone it.
The Xbone is an attempt at genuine innovation but their ideas are so bad you got to wonder if anyone in that company has a clue at this point.
10101
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Exactly that mate, not only will people only be more likely to buy sure fire bets, but they will have less money to buy them with in the first place. I know there is talk of used games with fees, etc so they will still exist but the only way I can see everyone (meaning all the companies involved) being happy is if the consumer takes the hits and had less monies at the end of it.
It's all hypothetical ATM I guess we don't know what their policies are (do they?) but tbh any change for the current system is most likely going to be bad for the consumers. You could be right about the joe public not caring though, who knows? Time will tell I guess.
Doesn't look like they're planning to. Smartglass has too much latency to be used as a normal controller. I think Smartglass button presses are actually sent from your device, up through the internet, and then back down to your box.
FranXico
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They're not, the point is that the PS4 will have a lot more varied first party games on offer. It's Microsoft who markets CoD as if it were an XBox exclusive, not GAF. They probably do this kind of push for a reason...
That's why I said using the One controller. The tablet would just be a screen, nothing more.
CassidyIzABeast
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Its an attempt to cover all the bases and TV is the last one they hadn't covered. They've got games, music, and streaming media services on the 360 already. If Microsoft was trying to push TV as the next big thing rather than just giving people an overview of how the functionality works, we would have saw them bring up some executive from TNT or SpikeTV and have them announce that the Halo tv series was coming to their channel next fall or something like that.
Is first post gaf divinely inspired or something.
I remember this too. I thought it looked cool, but all I saw online was people ripping the iPad like it was the dumbest idea ever.
Whoa... whoa... whoa... speaking isn't intuitive? lol
10101
Gold Member
Lol he was probably referring to the controller and hand gestures not speaking, which obviously is intuitive. You can't speak to it to do everything though, I mean during the reveal he was still using his phone to navigate, so I gues you would need to use the controller or wave your hand about to navigate menus, etc.
GravityMan
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Microsoft has been behind the times and playing catch-up for years, it's evident in many of their products. They've been out of touch with consumers for years...again evident in many of their products (X1 included). This is nothing new...it's the company's M.O. It's like they're constantly doing business in thick mud.
They badly need a personnel shakeup. Get some people in there who actually have a clue and a pulse on what the consumers truly want. They also need an internal cultural shakeup.
They badly need a personnel shakeup. Get some people in there who actually have a clue and a pulse on what the consumers truly want. They also need an internal cultural shakeup.
There's no reason Sony couldn't do the same, as they are going to have their SmartGlass equivalent on tablets as well: They're not only going to support the Vita.
But we don't know whether Remote Play will work on any other devices aside of the Vita (latency could pose a problem): From what we know about future SmartGlass, the Xbox will not reserve resources for remote streaming (but games could do it), while the PS4 has dedicated resources to do this while not taking away from game performance.
This means Sony is in a much better position to allow for game streaming to tablets (& DualShock for control) as they are already persistently reserving the resources for Vita remote play which, essentially, is the same. So dreams of using a tablet as a monitor seem more realistic with Sony's solution.
Gaikai for Playstation library streaming across tablets, phones and consoles is so much of a better use for cloud than local insensitive latency rendering. The latter is somewhat pointless as hardware improves, as does storage. As well as the fact that with new graphical and local hardware advancements things are more dynamic, not less. Even on this front Sony are making the better decision.
I agree with all of that.
Macintosh -> Windows - won
Netscape -> Internet Explorer - won
Java -> ActiveX - won/tie
OpenGL -> DirectX - won
PlayStation -> Xbox - tie
Palm -> Windows Mobile - both lost
iPod -> Zune - lost
iPhone -> Windows Phone - lost
Google -> Bing - lost
iPad -> Surface - Lost
Recent history is not in Microsofts favor if it is anything to go by.
Here's the way I see it...
Come time to go Xmas shopping later this, mom & dad might look at the 2 new consoles and view the Xbox One as having more overall functionality for the WHOLE family (meaning them as well) as opposed to the PS4, while playing most of the same games for the kids... right or wrong. Then factor in how badly the 360 outsold the PS3 month after month for years (in North America anyway), and you have a large base that are going to lean Xbox right out of the gate.
Maybe it's because I'm a gadgets freak, but I really like the cool technologies in the Xbox One even if I might not use them all the time. I say at least give MS a chance at E3 to show the games side of things. Compared to the PS4, the new Xbox had more than just games to showcase in it's reveal; therefore, the lack of a game-centric focus the other day. I think it's just too early to call it a Spruce Goose.
Come time to go Xmas shopping later this, mom & dad might look at the 2 new consoles and view the Xbox One as having more overall functionality for the WHOLE family (meaning them as well) as opposed to the PS4, while playing most of the same games for the kids... right or wrong. Then factor in how badly the 360 outsold the PS3 month after month for years (in North America anyway), and you have a large base that are going to lean Xbox right out of the gate.
Maybe it's because I'm a gadgets freak, but I really like the cool technologies in the Xbox One even if I might not use them all the time. I say at least give MS a chance at E3 to show the games side of things. Compared to the PS4, the new Xbox had more than just games to showcase in it's reveal; therefore, the lack of a game-centric focus the other day. I think it's just too early to call it a Spruce Goose.
When it comes to competing with Apple products... yes (just like everybody else), but this was not and is not the case when it comes to gaming consoles.
SpinningBirdKick
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I've said it in threads before but now the XO has been revealed it seems even more pertinent.
The console that wins the next generation won't be the cheapest or the one with the best specifications, it will be the one that gives it's users the most power over content that they own or purchase.
darkistheway
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The problem with your theory is that the children will drive the adoption of the device and the Xbone, I believe, will not have the cool factor. Children and teens won't care about TV and I don't think gesture will come across as 'cool.'
The ipad is also portable and convenient. This is an archaic looking box that you also have to hook up to a cable box. Not exactly an attractive prospect these days.
ActiveX/Java is very debatable, Java seems the much more important and relevant technology (of course it depends on what you are actually comparing)
With OpenGL and DirectX, it's the same: DirectX is only relevant on Microsoft platforms, as an industry technology present on a myriad of devices OpenGL is an API that is in much wider use.
Even if these children don't have their own TVs, I think their opinion will matter the most: I don't see most parents depending their buying decisions on ancillary functions, and children won't think of this functionality as exciting. Parents will buy their children the system they want, which will most likely be the one that leans more on gaming functions. Cool additional functionality like Remote Play might also be important.
10101
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Maybe, maybe not, who knows time will tell. Price is going to be a factor in this too, if the PS4 comes in cheaper then mum & dad might not be so willing to shell out extra on top of all the other things for Christmas. Also if they want to gain any significant market share this gen they really need to be growing in markets other than the US / UK where the Xbox didn't do so well. Maybe MS don't care about that, pretty shortsighted if they don't.
Maybe, maybe, maybe. There are too many hypotheticals and unknowns to factor in before you can say they are going to smash it at Xmas, or it's DOA, of course you can have your opinion but only time will tell
Where do people get the idea that children and/or teens don't care about TV? It's absolutely asinine. Children's programming is a huge industry and the ability for a child to say "Watch PBS", Disney Channel, etc is something I think a lot of kids (and parents) would appreciate. The premise is intuitive and easy to utilize, especially for those too young to operate a remote, like my son. Again, assuming they implement it correctly.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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can someone tell me in what alternate universe Did the xbox 1 beat or come close to beating the ps2?
Hell even the idea they tied is ridiculous.
Hell even the idea they tied is ridiculous.
"Hey Dipswitch.Jr, you have been watching TV too much today. You only had 1 hour remember!" *powers down*
It's funny how the same people who thought the iPad was going to be stupid as hell now think it's wonderful.
I don't mind hooking it up to a cable box. That said, if it doesn't let me watch recordings, we've got a problem. If that's the case, I would only use it for TV for, say, watching live events like football which are naturally watched live.
Sounds like a great feature to me! They're less likely to argue with the almighty Xbox ; )
flyinpiranha
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While I sort of agree ... I mean, we can all say "everybody is so connected and on their iPhones and iPads and PCs and Netflix and Facebook and ..." ... I think the living room is STILL a very lucrative place. I disagree with the notion that it may be ignored by the consumers of today (which that quote in the OP somewhat hints at, haven't read the whole article yet). In fact with the advent of home theater equipment becoming cheaper and cheaper, it seems to be the opposite IMO.
I think the stuff that MS showed definitely catered towards NFL watchers but this is the entirety of cable we're talking about, NFL is a huge partnership for the US and that's what this 'reveal' was aimed at (sadly).
I can't discount it, I don't think this is a huge paradigm shift that people are trying to make it, it's still just a games machine but they are marketing it towards another crowd and with a set of features that basically does what any HTPC has done.
I think the stuff that MS showed definitely catered towards NFL watchers but this is the entirety of cable we're talking about, NFL is a huge partnership for the US and that's what this 'reveal' was aimed at (sadly).
I can't discount it, I don't think this is a huge paradigm shift that people are trying to make it, it's still just a games machine but they are marketing it towards another crowd and with a set of features that basically does what any HTPC has done.
Do we even know whether this will actually work? MS didn't demonstrate anything like this. And with how many cable providers will this work?
This also seems like a proposition that is mostly going to be interesting to Americans, as in many European countries people mainly use their TVs integrated tuners.
But even if it functions as you expect it to, I think today's children are very interested in on-demand content: Little children don't seem to have any problem using interfaces like Netflix Kids. And most are probably going to find their way around a TV remote - this just seems like a very weak selling point. Let's not claim watching TV is some grand complicated process.
Almost no one thought the iPad was going to be stupid as hell.
Hands up, everyone who remembers WebTV
Exactly what I sad the other day. It's like they are trying something similar, but are cramming it into what is supposed to be a gaming console this time. That is what makes this even more baffling.
water_wendi
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i think its meant in terms of brand.
JetBlackPanda
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In every thread people talk about off TV play with smart glass and on IPad. The WiiU does that now with zero latency and no need for Internet.
Lol this fuckin gen.
Lol this fuckin gen.
Seriously?! So typical of this board... full of Playstation die-hards bitter about how the current gen went down. lol
People want the feature with games they actually want to play.
They didn't even announce this feature or anything comparable, and from the rumours we've heard the system does not reserve resources for streaming to SmartGlass (the PS4 will provide persistently available processing power for Remote Play): Which means it is unrealistic many games will support this mode of operation.
JetBlackPanda
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Games they don't even know exist? At this point it's just the feature they are talking about.
sleeping_dragon
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I thinks you are pretty confused with your analogy there.
Games we don't even know exist with a feature about which we don't even know whether it exists.
Here is the thing. The mass market that Microsoft is going after like the ipad because they can take it with them and it is convenient. This market will have no use for a bulky console that has to be hooked up to another box, as there are already devices out there that does all of this stuff. Chances are, they already have smartphones and tablets and that is what they like.
Also, who needs an Xbox and yet another subscription just to watch TV? I can already do that. I really don't think the market for this thing exists outside of gamers, but given the reaction to the direction they are taking, gamers are not finding it appealing, either.
Doesn't take a genius to recognise that the XO and PS4 are going to storm the show with their games line ups.
hardcastlemccormick
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Even the least of the gamers I've talked to about the Xbox One are astonished that it doesn't allow used games. Anecdotes, but.
Not sure what you mean here. I'm pretty sure they showed switching between HBO, CBS, etc as part of their demo.
netBuff said:
I can't see any reason why they couldn't switch channels on the TV just as easily if you say "Watch BBC". In fact, I'd expect that to work better. I have to think they've thought of all the use cases. Whether their implementation is any good remains to be seen however.
netBuff said:
I'm not saying that there aren't alternatives to TV, like Netflix. That may be an increasingly viable option for a lot of younger families and indeed maybe what the industry shifts to overall. My point is that in the short term the vast majority of households will still be utilizing some form of broadcast/paid TV to see that content. I have to imagine that's even more true in Europe, etc, where broadband penetration is not quite as prevalent and/or there are bandwidth caps in place.
And surely you can see the difference between a child learning how to utilize a remote and then tune to their specific favorite channel using the number and/or program guide and them simply saying "Watch channel X". I'm confident my 3 year old could do the latter now. I know he won't be able to figure out my cable box for another 2 years at least.
Marty Chinn
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You're missing the point. When people are referring to cable TV, they're meaning paid TV. When we're talking about Live TV functionality which is what you're arguing against, that applies to cable, satellite, U-Verse, etc not just strictly cable TV. The number of people who get those services is a significant majority of the country and those numbers are not in steep decline by any degree. In fact there was an overall growth reported recently. The reality is, the growth is in decline, not the pure numbers. That of course will eventually lead to decline, but at this point in time and for the lifespan of the Xbox One, there will be a ton of cable, satellite, u-verse, etc subscribers that will still have service.
And you know what, if people don't care for it, they don't have to use it and the Xbox One still supports Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, and a ton of other streaming services. I don't use Hulu Plus, should I complain about what a waste it is to have it on the system? It would be ass backwards of Microsoft if they only supported Live TV, but they don't. They support it in addition to all the popular streaming services which means it caters to everyone.
SlowRevolution
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Why are people trying to make the One seem like the new iPad?
Aside from the other big differences between the two that others have already pointed out, Microsoft made one and Apple made the other. Microsoft/Ballmer aren't exactly forward thinking, and this seems like another case of them being too late. And to those saying Microsoft's marketing alone will be enough to sell the One, that's not really working out for Surface.
Aside from the other big differences between the two that others have already pointed out, Microsoft made one and Apple made the other. Microsoft/Ballmer aren't exactly forward thinking, and this seems like another case of them being too late. And to those saying Microsoft's marketing alone will be enough to sell the One, that's not really working out for Surface.
Uh, really? I specifically remember thinking "wow, that thing looks cool" and then reading online how the vast majority thought it was a stupid idea that would fail.
Can we wait for the whole story to come out at E3? I am also curious to learn Sony's stance. It sounds to me like there will be used games allowed on the Xbox, we just don't know as yet how it will all work. Maybe we'll be able to get them digitally without even having to go to GameStop and look through all their crusty game cases.
SlowRevolution
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"Vast majority" is hyperbole, but the reaction to the announcement was definitely mixed.
Killing_Joke
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Don't have cable so its pointless to me. But i don't think the tv stuff was targeted for gamers (obviously).
To be honest idk who the hell they are targeting.
To be honest idk who the hell they are targeting.
hardcastlemccormick
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If they had anything more to tell us, they would tell us. As it is, I'm growing convinced they're just muddying the waters to confuse people. The systems they've already confirmed aren't going anywhere, but you won't get them to actually say that.