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TechCrunch: "Xbox One is Microsoft's Spruce Goose"

tranciful said:
and that alleviates their concern with it always listening to you... how?
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That can be turned off if you want. People aren't giving Microsoft enough credit. They aren't idiots. They provide their customers with a variety of options usually on with their products. Sure, there are times when they seem to make mistakes, but they don't play when it comes to customer privacy. At least that's been my experience with Microsoft over the years. Others may disagree, that's fine.
 
hooijdonk17 said:
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/25/what-games-are-xbox-one-is-microsofts-spruce-goose/



I never read TechCrunch before (granted I will read them from now on) but I came across this article on Flipboard, and I think it really hits and hammers the point better than any Xbox One naysayer I've read or listened to before. I haven't seen it posted before, searched and got nothing, and I really think it's worth discussing.

Before reading this, I was mostly self-assured that Xbone would fail because of its lesser specs and draconian DRM, but reflecting upon this article, I really agree that Microsoft has offered something that no one really honestly needs. Nobody really wants one device to do everything (not that it can), they just want them to do their own thing and work with each other in a smart way. It seems Microsoft is having a knee-jerk reaction to Apple by doing exactly the opposite of what they are doing (one device to rule them all instead of lots of devices that coexist in a mutual way). They are even going about doing it on the wrong display - the TV as we know it is gone, and will become irrelevant very soon. The Smart TV as we have come to learn does not need a secondary peripheral for content management.
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I don't think I agree with you in this context. I actually do want one device in my living room that can do everything.

The thing is, I have that already...my PC.

And that's where the Xbone really becomes a tough sell to me. It does some of the stuff my PC does...except worse, behind an extra paywall, tied down to Microsofts shitty ecosystem, and subject to some confusing and insulting DRM scheme. Why would I be excited to spend $500 on something like that?

And that's where I fall in line with the general internet consensus right now: The only thing that will sell me an Xbone is good games. The end.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
EDIT: I would personally be willing to drop $500 on an Xbox One, but I hope it's even cheaper than that. I'm willing to spend as much as $600 on the PS4, but I'm also hoping that is cheaper, too.
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You sound like a 'core' gamer. Say you did buy both the PS4 and X1. If third party games ran better on the PS4 would you only use the X1 for exclusives? Nothing wrong with that but I don't think Microsoft wants to be the 'second' console. I'm no 'core' gamer (I buy 5-6 games a year) but I got both the 360 and the PS3 at launch because I cover gaming for a financial firm and the company paid for it. I used the 360s (replaced several) more throughout the generation for games because even I could see that third party games were better on it. I played more PS3 exclusives and used it exclusively for streaming media but I think MSFT made more money off me over the past eight years.
 
tranciful said:
How would it turn on your cable box, TV, or receiver without some proprietary link or some fandangled IR solution that you'd have to set up beforehand?

Pretty safe bet you'll still be turning them on manually. I don't even think it'll change channels for you.
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It does have IR Blaster in the back.
 
semiconscious said:
which's why, again, it would be best if developers/xbone stopped using the words 'buy/sell' & simply started using the word 'lease'. there is no buy/sell (as it's traditionally understood) under this system, because that's not what's occurring. there is only lease...
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That makes sense. Ownership can be a very nebulous thing for intellectual property that is essentially a lot of easily copyable digital data. If you think this is confusing just wait till 3D printing goes mainstream. Things are going to get insane.
 
Marty Chinn said:
That is quite some paranoia you got going on there.
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I really don't think it is paranoid to think they will use the Kinect to collect analytics to sell to advertisers. Being able to judge when a viewer is "engaged" has been a holy grail of television for a while. It would totally revolutionize television ratings.
 
Maybe I'm just a weird person, but I don't mind more than one device in my house seemingly being able to do everything. Neither an Xbox one or a ps4 can replace my desktoip pc. That said, why should they limit themselves in what they can do for me simply because I might already have a desktop pc?

I want my devices to be designed as if they are the only devices I will ever need, but at the same time still be intelligently designed to work with what I may or may not have. That's why I don't get people focusing so angrily on the set top box television feature. If it has no relevance to you, that feature, then that's fine, go on with the rest of your business as it pertains to the new xbox. It can do other things, too. I don't know about anybody else, but if a console or device does something that I can't personally take advantage of, but does a lot of other stuff really well, I'm not going to sit and dwell on that one or two things that this device can do that I can't for whatever reason. If it doesn't concern you why dwell on it?

I have a very similar opinion on this online requirement business. If you know you have a reliable enough internet connection that is always keeping you on the internet reliably year in and year out, what does it really matter that there's an online requirement? That might suck for other people who can't rely on a decent internet connection, but that's not me. And then there's naturally a concern about veterans being able to game on the next xbox. Microsoft says they are working on something, but god forbid that doesn't work out, my brother or uncle can simply play another console while they are overseas. I'm more worried about them staying safe and alive than their being able to play the new xbox one, personally. If next gen gaming is really that big a deal, I'll personally deliver them both a ps4.

ON the subject of used games, which seems a big topic also, I don't buy used games anyway. Problem solved. Microsoft, however, better design the system to allow me to let friends and family borrow my games if I feel like lending them one of my games. If they don't, will it piss me off? Absolutely. But will it be enough to make me not want to buy it? No.

Want me to tell you what Microsoft can do to make me not want a new xbox no matter what? Mandatory gold subscription to play games on the console. That would be the final straw for me that would make go, "You know what? Fuck this system." The rest of this stuff is crap I brush off as non issues.
 
semiconscious said:
yeah, it does :) . while i understand their hesitation to use the word, it's their continuing to talk 'buy/sell' that's the source of much of the anger/disgust (& rightfully so). they need to just start saying 'lease' & get it over with...
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I'd love to see that, but I don't think it'll happen. MS knows what kind of backlash that would provoke, which is why they're softpedaling the whole "software as a service" angle. It's something they've been trying to push in various forms for literally decades now - I'd go so far as to say it's MS' holy grail.
 
infiniteheteroskdasticity said:
You sound like a 'core' gamer. Say you did buy both the PS4 and X1. If third party games ran better on the PS4 would you only use the X1 for exclusives? Nothing wrong with that but I don't think Microsoft wants to be the 'second' console. I'm no 'core' gamer (I buy 5-6 games a year) but I got both the 360 and the PS3 at launch because I cover gaming for a financial firm and the company paid for it. I used the 360s (replaced several) more throughout the generation for games because even I could see that third party games were better on it. I played more PS3 exclusives and used it exclusively for streaming media but I think MSFT made more money off me over the past eight years.
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Yep, if all multiplatforms ran better on the PS4, the Xbox One would be solely for my exclusives. What am I saying, multiplatforms will definitely all be better on the PS4, unless there's something I'm missing.

This gen, I have a ps3, 360 and Wii. My 360 became my primary gaming console for reasons well beyond it having the edge in multi-platform games. That wasn't even one of my considerations for why the xbox 360 became my primary system. It had blue dragon and lost odyssey announced for it. I bought it on launch as a result, and then I had like a year to actually make use of it and get my money's worth before there was ever a ps3 on the market. So, my other friends then started picking up 360s, and then before I knew it, I couldn't imagine myself "abandoning" my friends on XBL. So, Blue Dragon and Lost odyssey and the PS3 being so late to market are what are most responsible for making the 360 my primary system this gen.

I didn't buy the original xbox and, quite frankly, would have never bought the xbox 360 in the first place, if not for blue dragon and lost odyssey.

Every game I own on the PS3 are 100% exclusives, except Final fantasy 13. I bought FF13 for PS3 because I always intended on getting what I thought would be the superior version of the game, and from most accounts, the ps3 version was indeed the better version. My biggest game related reason for wanting the next xbox now is Halo 5 as of now, but if not for those Sakaguchi jrpgs, I would never have become a Halo fan in the first place, because I wasn't even remotely interested in Halo on the original Xbox, but you know how it goes, you get a console and then you start to try to find what's good and what people recommend to you as being good, and then you see for yourself.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Yep, if all multiplatforms ran better on the PS4, the Xbox One would be solely for my exclusives. What am I saying, multiplatforms will definitely all be better on the PS4, unless there's something I'm missing.
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Someone will defy all logic and botch the port, but this would be less "we can't get it to run great on PS3/Wii U" and more "it's technically on PC now even if it's a mess!" like Saint's Row 2.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
What is this world that all these people live in where they say the TV is going away. Since when is the television dying? The internet and mobile devices are growing in popularity, but a television is still a very vital device in the majority of households.

It's especially funny that there is a suggestion the TV is going away in reference to a next generation videogame console, when a TV is precisely what a next generation console is supposed to be designed to work on. So Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be able to do a lot of things really well: tv viewing, windows 8 apps, multi-tasking, Skype videochat, motion gesture controls, advanced voice controls, and to work really well with tablets, smartphones, windows pcs, television set top box based television subscriptions etc while still being able to play hardcore games.

I don't see anything wrong with that. If the TV is going away, then consoles are going away, because consoles are played on televisions.
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I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
 
Game Guru said:
I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
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I question that was we may simply want to do different things entirely on the private screens versus the public screens, but if linking them is a big path forward then I think the Wii U's closer to hitting it with how the Wii U Game Pad works. They just needed more tablet-type functionality in it, like the system running the web browser and streaming that to the touch screen while the game's controlled normally.
 
Game Guru said:
I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
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Well put and makes a lot of sense.
 
Game Guru said:
I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
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That sounds like the living room of right now.
 
semiconscious said:
which's why, again, it would be best if developers/xbone stopped using the words 'buy/sell' & simply started using the word 'lease'. there is no buy/sell (as it's traditionally understood) under this system, because that's not what's occurring. there is only lease...
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Using a different word doesn't change the facts or the law governing the matter.
 
Game Guru said:
I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
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I kinda agree with you, except I don't believe cable and satellite are going anywhere. They are still way too popular not just in the United States, but worldwide. For a lot of people, they need cable or satellite like they need air. Take me, for example, I can hardly function without my television service, even though 95-98% of the time I spend all my time on the pc while glancing over to see a tv show, movie or sporting event on my tv directly to the right of my pc.

And then there are times where I'll leave my pc and focus exclusively on the TV. However, I also do a ton of video streaming from my pc to my xbox 360, which I suppose could somewhat sustain me if I didn't have the television service, but the television service is something I don't want to part with. I have Fios TV Ultimate HD and the list of free with subscription on demand services nothing short of extraordinary. Hulu and Netflix are indeed the future, but I don't think there will ever be a future where they effectively kill or significantly diminish the stranglehold or simple mass appeal popularity that traditional television subscription packages like Fios TV, Cablevison, Comcast, Directv, etc enjoy currently with millions of people, and that isn't even accounting for the people in other countries that have similar services. I live in the USA, so I obviously know the usa best, but I imagine traditional tv services like cable and satellite are still the dominant force the world over.

Notice that in all the newest incarnations of television viewing, the rise of digital receivers, the DVR/Tivo age, the rise of on demand, the traditional never shrinks on any significant or damaging level, because it continues to so easily mutate so effortlessly to merge and coexist with the youtube generation, the twitter and facebook generation, the on demand generation, the streaming services generation. They will just co-exist alongside Hulu and Netflix. They won't be pushed out by them. And should any of the traditional services die, a juggernaut like Comcast, fios tv, directv etc will just be right there in line to convert most of those lost customers. Traditional tv is no longer like what it use to be, it's becoming more and more like all these services that are threatening it, which allows them to continue to seem to be ahead of the curve.
 
What makes it so tough for these things to push out traditional tv is that so many people still don't understand a hulu or Netflix and a lot of these other services.

To make things simpler, people would need to have one of those internet smart tvs, but not a lot of people have those in their home. And for the folks that do, very few of them know how to use them properly. Sure, us tech savvy folk know what we're doing, but a lot of other people really don't. And if you're talking about going to the pc to enjoy these services, then there are even fewer still that understand that better than they understand calling up one of the popular tv providers in their area and having them come out and setup a cable box or satellite receiver in their home. So, in a weird way, Microsoft is actually trying to find a way to enhance that which people understand best about tv viewing. The challenge then becomes getting those same people to understand that they can connect their cable or satellite box into the back of their new xbox one. And before that, you need to convince those people to want one.

Now, it isn't hard to get a hardcore gamer such as myself to want one, because that's just the way I am. I want all new tech that grabs my interest mostly, but it'll be tough for Microsoft to get people those people that aren't really into gaming to want an xbox one, and then it'll be even harder to get them to understand that it even does this thing with tvs, that's if their set top box is supported.

Most people I know that own a 360 now, I have to literally walk all of them through how to stream via the system video player or windows media center. There's no way a lot of these folks would get this working without my assistance, so Microsoft better make this passthrough thing as simple as possible and support as many devices as possible. Because clearly it's more of an attempt to entice those other people more than it's an attempt to entice hardcore gamers, because most hardcores are already paying attention to the device regardless. I like what xbox one does with tv service, but I would be just fine if it didn't do it at all. It's just a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
What makes it so tough for these things to push out traditional tv is that so many people still don't understand a hulu or Netflix and a lot of these other services.

To make things simpler, people would need to have one of those internet smart tvs, but not a lot of people have those in their home. And for the folks that do, very few of them know how to use them properly. Sure, us tech savvy folk know what we're doing, but a lot of other people really don't. And if you're talking about going to the pc to enjoy these services, then there are even fewer still that understand that better than they understand calling up one of the popular tv providers in their area and having them come out and setup a cable box or satellite receiver in their home.
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Hulu and Netflix are not a replacement for Cable/Satellite. You compromise when going to online streaming services. Let's not pretend that somehow they're a complete replacement.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Hulu and Netflix are not a replacement for Cable/Satellite. You compromise when going to online streaming services. Let's not pretend that somehow they're a complete replacement.
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Oh, no doubt, I completely understand that they aren't a complete replacement, but many seem to believe that they are. And that primary reason may be exactly why traditional cable and satellite tv are here to stay, even with the rise of all these other services.
 
I view the Xbox One the same way I view Palm Pilot units, early Blackberries and Nokia's early attempts at smartphones. Clunky and poorly implemented.

I was actually anti-smartphone from my years of working tech support for these hunks of garbage. Apple turned all that upside down when they actually got it RIGHT.

I think somebody eventually getting it right is still several years off. We need much better on demand services (which include sports and premium channel content) as well as low power 3D hardware that's "good enough" along with a serious decrease in game costs.

What we have now are fumbling attempts at it and they show.

Wake me up when:
Internet is fast enough to make BD quality movies viable
You can fit PS4 quality graphics in a small fanless chassis and sell the games for a cheap subscription rate ala cart
The apps are there to control everything in your house (climate control, lights, AV setup etc) via the same box
The whole unit costs $150 or less
 
shinnn said:
Pretty sure you can still turn the console on with a button.
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If they think im going to unplug kinect each time turning it off or plugging it in just to game for like 20~30 min.

Do some online matches they are wrong.
If i want to use kinect i plug it in for a game if im done im throwing kinect in my closet.
The idea that there is a camera watching without my consent is not something im comfortable with. Maybe im a bit old school and like my privacy the amount of information of people that sits online is massive even if you didn't want it online big chances family or friends posted it.
 
Eusis said:
I question that was we may simply want to do different things entirely on the private screens versus the public screens, but if linking them is a big path forward then I think the Wii U's closer to hitting it with how the Wii U Game Pad works. They just needed more tablet-type functionality in it, like the system running the web browser and streaming that to the touch screen while the game's controlled normally.
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I will admit that it is possible that people want to do different things with their screens, but I see stuff like SmartGlass, Remote Play, and Off-TV Play being selling points for some people even if only as an option.

SenjutsuSage said:
I kinda agree with you, except I don't believe cable and satellite are going anywhere. They are still way too popular not just in the United States, but worldwide. For a lot of people, they need cable or satellite like they need air. Take me, for example, I can hardly function without my television service, even though 95-98% of the time I spend all my time on the pc while glancing over to see a tv show, movie or sporting event on my tv directly to the right of my pc.

And then there are times where I'll leave my pc and focus exclusively on the TV. However, I also do a ton of video streaming from my pc to my xbox 360, which I suppose could somewhat sustain me if I didn't have the television service, but the television service is something I don't want to part with. I have Fios TV Ultimate HD and the list of free with subscription on demand services nothing short of extraordinary. Hulu and Netflix are indeed the future, but I don't think there will ever be a future where they effectively kill or significantly diminish the stranglehold or simple mass appeal popularity that traditional television subscription packages like Fios TV, Cablevison, Comcast, Directv, etc enjoy currently with millions of people, and that isn't even accounting for the people in other countries that have similar services. I live in the USA, so I obviously know the usa best, but I imagine traditional tv services like cable and satellite are still the dominant force the world over.

Notice that in all the newest incarnations of television viewing, the rise of digital receivers, the DVR/Tivo age, the rise of on demand, the traditional never shrinks on any significant or damaging level, because it continues to so easily mutate so effortlessly to merge and coexist with the youtube generation, the twitter and facebook generation, the on demand generation, the streaming services generation. They will just co-exist alongside Hulu and Netflix. They won't be pushed out by them. And should any of the traditional services die, a juggernaut like Comcast, fios tv, directv etc will just be right there in line to convert most of those lost customers. Traditional tv is no longer like what it use to be, it's becoming more and more like all these services that are threatening it, which allows them to continue to seem to be ahead of the curve.
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I won't say anything about worldwide because well, there have been issues getting most of those streaming services outside the US. However, if cable and satellite do end up adapting to compete with the streaming services, then certainly they will survive. It is really video services accessible on any screen that I see being the future for video services, not Netflix and Hulu specifically. If the cable and satellite companies can succeed with doing that, then all the more power to them.
 
Game Guru said:
I will admit that it is possible that people want to do different things with their screens, but I see stuff like SmartGlass, Remote Play, and Off-TV Play being selling points for some people even if only as an option.
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True, at worst there'll be a few people who appreciate the options, nevermind a tablet probably is a more reliable way to control than Kinect.
Brad Grenz said:
What makes you think there will be a Silver option at all on Xbox One?
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I think they confirmed a paid subscription wasn't necessary.
 
Game Guru said:
I actually don't think television is going away... What will be going away is cable and satellite for online streaming services like Netflix and Hulu, which of course can be accessed by anything with a screen, but the TV is still going to be important because it is a communal screen as opposed to PCs, smartphones, tablets, ereaders, and dedicated handhelds, which are personal screens. In the Living Room of the Future, people will watch media with two screens, a public screen which is the television and a personal screen which are tablets and smartphones. A family will use their private screen to do things in private without aggravating the other family members while they watch something on the public screen. It's the company who figures out how to link the two screens effectively that will be the one who takes control of the living room.
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Well said fellow gaffer. Thats exactly what MS is fishing for.
 
Eusis said:
... Huh, I can't find anything concrete that explicitly states that. I'm HOPING they're not that dumb, but what a way to drag the system down if that's the case.
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It'd make a certain kind of sense if Gold was required to USE the xbone. That way its not multiplayer and apps hidden behind the paywall, its literally everything, including your access to the cloud. And that way, instead of saying online is required, they can just say that you have to be signed into your account.

Its just a feeling, but I wouldnt be surprised give the way MS talks about the system.
 
RyanReedyMusic said:
Well said fellow gaffer. Thats exactly what MS is fishing for.
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So they're fishing for the people who utilize two screens by muddling (taking up unnecessary screen-space on) the common screen with private information that is only important to one individual. Seems more like they're only interested in the individual who not only watches alone but enjoys focussing on other things while watching/playing
 
Visualante2 said:
As long as people still spend time in their living rooms, it won't be irrelevant imho. I don't own a tablet so maybe my perspective is completely flawed but it seems like a device you use on the couch during ad breaks and multiplayer lobbies. Not as a replacement for your TV or content on it.
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This.

My iPad is there to fill time. I have TV shows on it for my daughter to watch on long drives. I read the news on it over breakfast.

That's it. The majority of my time is spent playing games and watching cable tv (Foxtel in AU).
 
What is really going to screw Microsoft over is when Apple releases a tv with all this functionality and integration with the iTunes store built in and a cheap box for those who won't want to upgrade their whole tv.

No soccer mom or grandma is going to buy a $500 Xbox over a $99 or $149 Apple tv box just because it plays games. That's where the gamers are important in the immediate success of a platform.
 
Eusis said:
They couldn't be dumb enough to force everyone on the system to use one... right?

Then again after last week who knows. Maybe they really are willing to go as deep as they possibly can.
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Everything they're pushing about the system requires an online connection. Where do you think the programming guide information comes from? What about all the single player games which are taking up time on Azure for nebulous "cloud computing"? As much as people want them to redraw the lines to excise things like Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming, I think it's far more likely they'll just remove the line altogether, and guess which side they'll preserve? Now, they'll probably cut the price of the system itself down to around $300, even without any contract. But they won't need a contract because the system will be effectively useless without a subscription that is worth hundreds of dollars over the next 6 years. Also don't be surprised if the price goes up to something like $15/month.
 
Brad Grenz said:
Everything they're pushing about the system requires an online connection. Where do you think the programming guide information comes from? What about all the single player games which are taking up time on Azure for nebulous "cloud computing"? As much as people want them to redraw the lines to excise things like Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming, I think it's far more likely they'll just remove the line altogether, and guess which side they'll preserve? Now, they'll probably cut the price of the system itself down to around $300, even without any contract. But they won't need a contract because the system will be effectively useless without a subscription that is worth hundreds of dollars over the next 6 years. Also don't be surprised if the price goes up to something like $15/month.
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Unless Microsoft is planning to include premium content in that $15 fee, it will be suicide when the cost of the other services is compounded.
 
thesuperfunk said:
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web01 said:
I said log in.
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holy shit.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Hulu and Netflix are not a replacement for Cable/Satellite. You compromise when going to online streaming services. Let's not pretend that somehow they're a complete replacement.
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It really depends. I haven't had cable for years, and don't miss it. My uncle is way into sports, and can't live without it. I'm the kind of person who likes to watch as much of a series I can stand over a weekend, so I can wait for the netflix / dvd version. Other people need their weekly fix. The netflix model suits the way I consume content better than cable can, so the cable features of the Xbone are wasted on me.
 
Toski said:
Unless Microsoft is planning to include premium content in that $15 fee, it will be suicide when the cost of the other services is compounded.
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"But we gave you the console for only $300!" they'll say. And, "we're letting you use our massive cloud network to run all your games!" or "It costs us so much to create all these new apps and keep your fantasy stats updated in real-time!" They will have so many excuses, and people have been so eager to let them slide on this kind of thing in the past. "Surely you'll grin and bear it as long as we're holding the CoD DLC hostage, right?"
 
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