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System is off set with cheaper prices and anytime you re-sub you get your library back plus DLC incentives to bring you back.

I HAVE TO REITERATE I ONLY HAVE THIS FROM ONE PERSON.

That could be insane. Super draconian with live but RRP's on games lower than Sony and Nintendo? That's going to create a marketplace clusterfuck especially if they force Sony and Nintendo to drop to match.

They are going full blown Apple on this thing. It's terrifying.
 
Its so much worse than you guys think....So much worse.

So... You stop paying for Gold, you lose acces to your games? WTF if true.

Ooh, I can see it now. "Buy Halo VI + 12 month license for only $60! Renew your license for only $15."

"The worlds newest games console at just $299. Be part of the Xbox community for just 10 dollars a month."

Oh holy fucking god its going to happen
Here we go, games as a service. Starting to actually look forward to MS' presser now. Want to see the fireworks.

Relevant.
That's shopped, right? Right?
 
Their presser would have been so much funnier if they still hadn't realized that their every move (even those they considered showing complaisance) has been perceived as one of arrogance, contempt and deception, and they had continued to think that a better understanding of their philosophy and objective would necessarily lead to their acceptance and appreciation.
 
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If true, this gif is only going to get more and more appropriate.
 
Sounded like he was kind of forced to, but I guess if they just stressed they felt this was best he'd agree and sign off. And that artwork was outsourced, right? I'm hoping when filtered through From either it comes out better or is limited to special sets rather than being the design norm like we saw with something like Fire Emblem Awakening.

True, that was a convoluted system and I can see it being one they COULDN'T make cheap easily. They were doomed from the moment they thought releasing by surprised at $400 was a good idea. I do wish fewer niche games had to suffer (though at the same time SCEA could've had nicer damn policies.)

I do wonder, I know we won't see a repeat of what happened with SEGA or at least not for the same reasons, but more likely I'd see it being like Zune or at an extreme Kin, where something completely fails to take off and they just cut their losses. But I kind of expect just CoD fans buying the system by default could give it a steady foothold to at least have a few million systems even at worst, at that point we'd just have to hope Microsoft considered it a waste of resources and bails, even if they could stubbornly stick around if they really felt like it.

Before the rumor of the Sony contract, I assumed he had been reassigned to direct the new iteration in the Armored Core series, seeing as it was FROM's most successful franchise prior to the Souls breakout success (King's Field was always a niche franchise that only validated a new sequel but little else). As to the art, as far as I can tell, FROM brought him and probably a few other outside contractors to shorten development time on Dark Soul's 2. Or more likely they needed to contract outside to replace their internal artists who are busy working on Sony's game; which is likely a sequel to Demon's Souls.

FROM has been on the defensive with every new piece of information is leaked. This is compounded by the fact that the Souls series is new so they need to tread lightly when making drastic changes to what worked in prior iterations. I have to imagine that they're being very careful with what they will incorporate into the game.

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Yeah. The surprise release wherein SEGA tried to corner the market by monopolizing launch titles, thereby alienating third party developers. And limiting the stores where you could actually purchase the system, to a few franchises certainly didn't give SEGA a good platform to compete with Sony or Nintendo either.

I understand why they did it, but I still blame them for not releasing titles though. At the time the titles would have been sent to be translated, the market in the US and Europe was already turning sour. So after manufacturing and marketing, SEGA couldn't guarantee a profit.

Do you mean the 2D vs 3D stance that SCEA and Nintendo were taking?

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SEGA was a Console company that banked on each system doing well to survive. Microsoft is a massive company that still makes over seventy percent of its profit licencing legacy products like Office and Windows and other Business services. They've been wasting billions of dollars trying, and failing, to penetrate new markets dominated by tech companies like Google or Apple. The Kin redefined failure. I have a friend who still refuses to talk about it, I'm pretty sure it stays off his resume also. GAFFERS have been talking about how Microsoft is misunderstanding the market with it's focus on TV features. As bad as the Xbox One's target demographic maybe, it pales in comparison to Microsoft's inability to define not only who they were actually trying to appeal to with the Kin, but how they were going to market the device to them. The Device itself was ill designed and the software was half baked when it released. Everything that could have gone wrong with the development, quality control, and marketing of the device did. Microsoft has been mum on the total sales, but rumor and use of the Kin's own social software pin total sales at less than 10,000. They spent upwards of 1 Billion on the project, but it's hard to determine how much was actually lost by Microsoft due to the Kin, because the lessons and tech were rolled into Microsoft's Windows 7 Phone (lol) and the entire remaining Kin stock was repackaged as regular phones after the program was killed. The Kin was dead before it even launched. Even with the ambiguity, Microsoft probably lost the same on the marketing and development of the Kin as SEGA did on its last two consoles. The Zune, and its sequels (which were often actually better than the competing apple ipod) never broke more than %10 market share in the MP3 market. The only positive thing that came out of the millions spent on the project was some UI and design experience that ended up in other Microsoft products. They've wasted over 8 billion on MSN/Bing alone, a search engine that was so bad that Bing used to actually borrow Google's algorithms to find results. And not only is the search engine still worse than Google's, but it still hasn't gained massive traction. Even with these failures over the past decade their profit margin is still increasing and is around 10-17 Billion.


Unlike those failures, the Xbox line has successfully competed against and gained meaningful market share. They have somewhere around 40 million Live subscribers. And they've been filing profit's for the last few quarters iirc. This is really their only success story (Bing has a multi-billion dollar hole to climb out of). And now they've already announced that they spent an additional billion on the TV services and time locking CoD DLC. And if the rumors are true, Microsoft has been spending a lot of cash in order to moneyhat exclusives from third parties. Microsoft is not going to abandon the console like their previous failures.
 
Then Sony announces "Basic SKU - $299, no mandatory DRM" and we get to see live footage of the Great Conference Hall Riot.

NeoGAF explodes taking all the threads with it etc.

Let's be realistic. Sony can't go that low. They will be more expensive than MS.

MS know about the backlash. All they can do is bring the games (exclusivties, the wish that Third parties don't mention PS4), and bait the consummer with a really cheap machine. XBONE is really a trojan horse.

MS can lose more money on these machines than Sony can...
 
Here we go, games as a service. Starting to actually look forward to MS' presser now. Want to see the fireworks.


That's shopped, right? Right?
No way in hell they will talk about this at the press conference.
Assuming this is true of course
 
Microsoft have to alter their revenue stream as the PC market as we know it is on the decline so Microsoft's old revenue stream of Operating Systems disappears (It was mentioned somewhere, can't remember off-hand, that windows 8 will be the last OS for PC's)

Cue Microsoft's xBox dependency and suddenly, a constant stream of subsctiptions monthly that'll easily replace the revenue lost on the OS market

This all makes sense now ... and it makes me sad
 
The irony is Sony already has a relationship with Publishers and themselves to put games on PSN at a discounted price compared to retail, this is only sweetened by PS+. However, at least there it is yours forever, even if you aren't a Plus member down the road.

Also lol at them subsidizing the cost of the console with Live. They honestly believe people are going to buy this at $400-$500 regardless because they are Sony pre PS3 arrogant right now.

Mess

Well yeah. If you buy something with PS+ discount, it is yours. If you get full games for free, it's tied to the service.

Ms is in a mess alright. If they want me to rent games only. They better charge me rent prices. Lol.
 
This news makes the Gerstmann rant even more pathetic. I have zero respect for him now.
We still need to wait on official confirmation on what, if anything, they plan to do beyond what they unveiled already. The always online aspect IS pushing the envelope, the things mentioned here without at least some VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS (only applying to game rentals or something akin to them, except you choose them) and I can't see them seriously succeeding in the long term. It's not even slowly boiling the frog, it's taking the frog out from warm water and throwing it immediately in near-boiling water.

We can speculate, and if true there's simply no damn defense at all, but until then it's just a rumor.
 
My biggest fear is that IF this mandatory sub is true, then it would mean they could afford to price it at $299. And sadly, money talks.

That's what I'm afraid of. If this is true, we need to warn as many people as we can to tell them that the low price comes with a great catch. If MS thinks they can get away with this BS, they better think twice.
 
So new Multi-platfrom Prince of Persia huh?

It might just be shadow and the Flame iOS and Android game unless its coming to PSN/XBLA again. It might time exclusive to XBLA like last time. :|
 
Microsoft bungling this generation away has gone from shocking to terrible to absolutely hilarious.

I feel like they should hire me, I'm pretty sure I could design a better console for them than XB1.

[edit]Do people think it would only go as low as $299 with a mandatory subscription to access your games? That still looks like a terrible fucking deal to me. If they announced it for $120-150 then I think you'd see people who'd bite.
 
Oh LAWD. The more i hear of this the funnier/sadder it gets. This MS conference is going to be solid fucking gold comedy. An ocean of tears will be wept.
 
Bruce seemed to imply that combining PS+ with XBLG was a NEGATIVE thing, not a positive.
Yeah, the very best is they let you buy many games at a steep discount with a subscription (at least as an option) but then you'd have to stay subscribed. Which might actually be clever, combining Steam sales with Gold, and then using that as a way to keep you roped into Gold.

... I'd stick with Steam in that case, needing a subscription for Onlive was one of the things that put me off before it came out, though at least this wouldn't be running the game predominately on a cloud server.
 
Microsoft bungling this generation away has gone from shocking to terrible to absolutely hilarious.

And this is...confusing as all hell. Why do this?

The Xbox 360 is quite possibly Microsoft's most successful hardware, and one of the few examples of new companies successfully breaking into the gaming industry.

They're intentionally blowing up the base that was built since the XB1 over ten years ago, and there has to be a reason for this.
 
well if the subscription thing is true ms is about to make lots of money, theres like 30 million gold subs now u may aswell say they are paying like $40 a year now to pay there yearly cods, battlefields, and fifa's a brand new console at a cheap price with the same gold sub isnt gonna stop them lol
 
If that's true then I will actively hunt for XBone owners in the years to come and pee on their DSL Modems.

Anyway.

I think the noteworthy issue isn't that these buttlords are really off the deep end (if it is true), it is that they have done such a great job on deconstructing their brand name in the last few weeks that most gamers are willing to accept this rumour as likely on account that it sounds like something they would do. That it makes "sense" for them completely fuck over their customers for a nickle.

Holy effing carp. Years and years of effort, egregious amounts of money and resources, careful community management - and now ... this. All that goodwill down the drain. Amazing.
 
And this is...confusing as all hell. Why do this?

The Xbox 360 is quite possibly Microsoft's most successful hardware, and one of the few examples of new companies successfully breaking into the gaming industry.

They're intentionally blowing up the base that was built since the XB1 over ten years ago, and there has to be a reason for this.

Not to be too blunt, but the reason is simple;

$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
I just really hope Sony manages to market against this insanely sneaky strategy MS is trying to use. They have to let consumers know that paying that extra money will actually give them ownership and doesn't bind them to some ridiculous subscription to play their OWN FUCKING GAMES.
 
I honestly believe the Xbone will be super cheap. $199. $150 even. They need an angle to get people on board. Even your average joe won't be able to take this bullshit unless MS are giving it away.
 
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