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[Hakai]

I don't see why anyone would give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt in regards to online. They've always been incredibly inexperienced and out of touch in that regard.

Because they already acknowledge that and it is looking to make partnerships to change it.

Misleading title, and Nintendo being Nintendo. Not very promising, but I will wait and see, I think online is one of the main focus on Wii U, so I think it's more due to its uniqueness then because it is a weak online structure.

 

[MormaPope]

because the topic is the same old Nintendo sucks at online which has not been proven yet for the WiiU? You are already jumping saying Nintendo won't have and yet have no source but the expectation that they won't have makes it somehow a true statement and worth talking about.

I have my own expectations, you have yours.

And I didn't say "lol Nintendo will suck at online", I said I doubt Nintendo will have a infrastructure as well built and realized as Xbox Live and PSN.

To say people aren't being overly defensive in this thread is disingenuous.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Nintendo is building their own freaking social network on the Wii U.

but gaf thinks

"No way they are making a good online systen..."

does not compute...

 

[MadeInBeats]

I have my own expectations, you're willing to wait and see.

And I didn't say "lol Nintendo will suck at online", I said I doubt Nintendo will have a infrastructure as well built and realized as Xbox Live and PSN.

To say people aren't being overly defensive in this thread is disingenuous.

Fixed for you.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

because the topic is the same old Nintendo sucks at online which has not been proven yet for the WiiU? You are already jumping saying Nintendo won't have and yet have no source but the expectation that they won't have makes it somehow a true statement and worth talking about.

wait, considering the Wii, doesn't Nintendo have to actually prove that their online is 'good' first?

Nintendo has sucked at online.

Sony went through the same thing going into this gen.
Online play was a pain in the ass with the PS2, especially compared to XBox, so naturally people were skeptical prior to PS3's release.


Nintendo has to show that they can make a functional, competent online system that compares to the big boys. There are a lot of gamers beyond the Link-loving N-fans that want to see this happen, but are still skeptical, and rightfully so. Now a dev for a long-running series that has already successfully put multiple games on multiple console online systems doesn't (fully) understand how the WiiU's online is supposed to work.

Why is a (extremely slightly) misquote more important than the overall subject at hand?

:/

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

wait, considering the Wii, doesn't Nintendo have to actually prove that their online is 'good' first?

Nintendo has sucked at online.

Sony went through the same thing going into this gen.
Online play was a pain in the ass with the PS2, especially compared to XBox, so naturally people were skeptical prior to PS3's release.


Nintendo has to show that they can make a functional, competent online system that compares to the big boys. There are a lot of gamers beyond the Link-loving N-fans that want to see this happen, but are still skeptical, and rightfully so. Now a dev for a long-running series that has already successfully put multiple games on multiple console online systems doesn't (fully) understand how the WiiU's online is supposed to work.

Why is a (extremely slightly) misquote more important than the overall subject at hand?

:/

because people want to convince themselves everything about the system is awesome

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Reggie on online gaming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68xmqUlWmdo#t=12m47s
talks about it at 12:47 I time stamped this but the whole video is a good watch

 

[SolarPowered]

On the positive side, if this does somehow imply that Nintendo doesn't have a fully baked online setup, it means that they will still be providing great single player experiences that work when your internet is down, even though everyone else is going "everything always online, multiplayer first".

Nintendo is hardly some shining beacon of single player light. The industry has been doing just fine at making amazing single player experiences despite the obsession executives have with multiplayer.

 

[MormaPope]

Fixed for you.

Never having expectations must be hard.

Deduction isn't a bad thing, and it's not that hard for me to admit when I'm wrong. So taking a guess at how well Wii-U's online capabilities/infrastructure are applied isn't going to hurt me in the slightest.

 

[sonitii]

Really hope that Nintendo has been investing in online infrastructure.

 

[D-e-f-]

I like how defensive people got and yet they aren't even defensive about how good/bad Wii-U's online infrastructure will be, a large part of this thread has just been bitching about the OP instead of the topic, makes me wonder why.

Nintendo for the most part won't have something as well built as Xbox Live or PSN(Having a large headstart is why). While that's bad for luring in new customers, people that are hardcore Nintendo fans will finally get more online apps or online mulitplayer at least. If the problem has to do with getting multiplayer functioning on the Wii-U, then that's pretty worrying.

It's not really worth discussing because we don't know the exact wording of the question as well as the answer. Plus we don't know all the details besides what Miiverse is and that might just have been what he was referring to which makes this whole thread as well as the destructoid story totally pointless.

It's pretty obvious the online is going to suck again

Can't tell if trolling or sarcasm.

because people want to convince themselves everything about the system is awesome

I guess that clears it up...

 

[Camp Lo]

I don't fully understand this thread

Same.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Nintendo is building their own freaking social network on the Wii U.

but gaf thinks

"No way they are making a good online systen..."

does not compute...

We know jack fucking shit about Wiiverse or what it actually is.
Stop kidding yourself.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

because people want to convince themselves everything about the system is awesome

no I just don't want to expect the same shitty online service from Nintendo for my money. Sorry if I expect more this time around

 

[D-e-f-]

We know jack fucking shit about Wiiverse or what it actually is.
Stop kidding yourself.

Factually incorrect.

 

[MadeInBeats]

We know jack fucking shit about Wiiverse or what it actually is.
Stop kidding yourself.

Not sure why you haven't piped up with this before now.

Factually incorrect.

We don't though, really.

 

[Matt]

Factually, Nintendo Network on the Wii U (and the 3DS eventually) is going to be much better then what they have had in the past. Extensive MiiVerse integration, etc. However, what they are building is not really in the vein of, say, XBox Live. Every publisher will have a lot of power to determine what their individual games' online looks like. Hopefully most (or all) of them will just go with what Nintendo is offering as standerd.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Factually incorrect.

Do we know enough about Wiiverse to make any statement about it's quality?

I must have missed something.

 

[pantsmith]

Reggie confirmed friend codes are back, so I'm more than a little nervous.

The Miiverse looks awesome, for sure, but friend codes just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, especially when paired with non-Nintendo games.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

He probably doesn't understand it cause its so good. Yep... has to be that.

 

[Mileena]

Japanese developer on online: "I don't understand it."

But the netcode is perfect on PS3 and 360?

 

[MormaPope]

Nintendo is building their own freaking social network on the Wii U.

but gaf thinks

"No way they are making a good online systen..."

does not compute...

Everyone doesn't say this or think like this!

For all the posts championing reading comprehension, a lot of you are generalizing and straight up not reading posts correctly.

" _____ is not good as _____" doesn't necessarily mean that the first ______ is bad, it means it won't be better than the second _____. It feels like I'm patronizing some of you, but it's really hard to communicate when the person arguing doesn't even have the argument straight.

 

[Dr.Acula]

"I don't understand it," "I don't fully understand it."

After looking at the original Japanese, I've concluded which is the more accurate translation. Oh wait, we don't know the original Japanese phrasing he used.

 

[mbmonk]

Has Nintendo address if forming "parties" will be allowed, voice chat outside games so you can organize what games to play together, etc.? Or is it going to be text chat?

Is there a video or source of them showing it off? I already know about the twitter like functionality in NSMB on Wii U.

 

[Pharros]

I just want Reggie or someone to sit down for a solid hour for a Nintendo Direct or something similar and just walk through every aspect of the operating system and online functionality. It would seriously clear up so much.

 

[Matt]

Has Nintendo address if forming "parties" will be allowed, voice chat outside games so you can organize what games to play together, etc.? Or is it going to be text chat?

Is there a video or source of them showing it off? I already know about the twitter like functionality in NSMB on Wii U.

Yes and yes. There is a system level party feature. And you can even video chat if you want.

 

[Jonboy]

Good lord some of you need to take the fanboy blinders off.

 

[mbmonk]

Yes and yes. There is a system level party feature. And you can even video chat if you want.

Awesome. Sorry to bother you, but do you have link or a vid?

Apologies. I have been unsuccessful in finding much information on this topic.

 

[Matt]

Awesome. Sorry to bother you but do you have link or a vid?

Apologies.

Video chatting was in their pre-E3 unveil video.

 

[mbmonk]

Video chatting was in their pre-E3 unveil video.

Thank you very much.

 

[Nostremitus]

Has Nintendo address if forming "parties" will be allowed, voice chat outside games so you can organize what games to play together, etc.? Or is it going to be text chat?

Is there a video or source of them showing it off? I already know about the twitter like functionality in NSMB on Wii U.

Pre E3 ND shows Videochat...


Edit: Beaten

 

[D-e-f-]

We don't though, really.

Do we know enough about Wiiverse to make any statement about it's quality?

I must have missed something.

Quality? How can you comment on quality one way or the other before release? You can't. We, however, do know that it is feature rich and unlike what we currently have available on other systems.

We know that Miiverse as part of the Nintendo Network incorporates:
- Friend lists
- User-based activity feeds
- Game-based activity feeds
- Social-hub for games which functions as consumer-driven advertising for what's actually being played
- Direct communication via handwritten messages and typed messages as well as video chat (while games are still running)
Taking screenshots of any game and sharing them with people
- Game-integration for various features like content sharing, message sharing (can be tied to in-game achievements)
- No advertising (unlike the ad-fest that is Xbox Live, for example)

How is that "nothing"?

Reggie confirmed friend codes are back, so I'm more than a little nervous.

The Miiverse looks awesome, for sure, but friend codes just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, especially when paired with non-Nintendo games.

Not true. Reggie's Kotaku interview from last week mentions that they are aware of the reaction and are providing something far easier to use than what we've known as friend codes until now. Which was also the implication of the original "confirmation". We know 100% that it will not be like on the Wii or DS since the 3DS already makes the whole thing a lot simpler with only having one system-based code. Reggie's answer implied that this system is no longer in use on Wii U.

Yes and yes. There is a system level party feature.

Eh? I have not heard a single word about a party feature.

Source?

 

[Canis lupus]

I don't understand why I need to wait 5 minutes to find an oponnent online in TTT2.

 

[Meelow]

So when did "I don't fully understand it" turn into "I don't understand it"

Can a mod fix the title?

 

[Zoramon089]

Quality? How can you comment on quality one way or the other before release? You can't. We, however, do know that it is feature rich and unlike what we currently have available on other systems.

We know that Miiverse as part of the Nintendo Network incorporates:
- Friend lists
- User-based activity feeds
- Game-based activity feeds
- Social-hub for games which functions as consumer-driven advertising for what's actually being played
- Direct communication via handwritten messages and typed messages as well as video chat (while games are still running)
Taking screenshots of any game and sharing them with people
- Game-integration for various features like content sharing, message sharing (can be tied to in-game achievements)
- No advertising (unlike the ad-fest that is Xbox Live, for example)

How is that "nothing"?

Simple. Because it's Nintendo so people ignore the facts and assume the worst. We still have people thinking FCs mean you see messages like "11231213 logged on!" which is embarrassing to say the least

 

[Shaheed79]

OP would make Fox News blush. Disingenuous and inflammatory headlines are a must in the great console wars to come. You can smell the anxiety and fear in the air.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

When it comes to Nintendo's online I will believe it when I see it. Considering thier past actions and comments regarding online I don't think it is a huge leap in thought tomsee why people treat the Nintendo network as a glass half empty, not a glass half full.

We are 2 months from launch, there is no reason not to show a game in action actually using the network in real time.

 

[Zoramon089]

When it comes to Nintendo's online I will believe it when I see it. Considering thier past actions and comments regarding online I don't think it is a huge leap in thought tomsee why people treat the Nintendo network as a glass half empty, not a glass half full.

We are 2 months from launch, there is no reason not to show a game in action actually using the network in real time.

COD:BLOPS2 has all the features of the other versions. Isn't that proof enough?

 

[MormaPope]

Quality? How can you comment on quality one way or the other before release? You can't. We, however, do know that it is feature rich and unlike what we currently have available on other systems.

We know that Miiverse as part of the Nintendo Network incorporates:
- Friend lists 360/PS3
- User-based activity feeds
- Game-based activity feeds Is this like connecting facebook to the game you're playing? Or is it like beacons on 360? If it is: 360/PS3
- Social-hub for games which functions as consumer-driven advertising for what's actually being played Sounds similar to Playstation home, except more focused.
- Direct communication via handwritten messages and typed messages as well as video chat (while games are still running) Handwritten messages and video chat is neat.
Taking screenshots of any game and sharing them with people
- Game-integration for various features like content sharing, message sharing (can be tied to in-game achievements) 360/PS3
- No advertising (unlike the ad-fest that is Xbox Live, for example)

How is that "nothing"?



Not true. Reggie's Kotaku interview from last week mentions that they are aware of the reaction and are providing something far easier to use than what we've known as friend codes until now. Which was also the implication of the original "confirmation". We know 100% that it will not be like on the Wii or DS since the 3DS already makes the whole thing a lot simpler with only having one system-based code. Reggie's answer implied that this system is no longer in use on Wii U.



Eh? I have not heard a single word about a party feature.

Source?

You did list a lot of online features that Wii-U has, but a lot of those aren't new.

OP would make Fox News blush. Disingenuous and inflammatory headlines are a must in the great console wars to come. You can smell the anxiety and fear in the air.

He forgot one fucking word. If you're serious, you definitely need thicker skin.

Simple. Because it's Nintendo so people ignore the facts and assume the worst. We still have people thinking FCs mean you see messages like "11231213 logged on!" which is embarrassing to say the least

The facts are that Nintendo hasn't had a good track record with online infrastructures on consoles.

You're ignoring a lot more than others.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

COD:BLOPS2 has all the features of the other versions. Isn't that proof enough?

Link to the video where they show it working?

 

[Shaheed79]

You guys do realize that topics like this are posted, in the manner that they are, for the purpose of getting any fanboys all uptight and overly defensive right? This is a highly ignorable skirmish at best. People are already hot on the heels of more quotes and rumors that can be taken even further out of context. Don't be the focus of their amusement and take this topic any more serious than it needs to be.

He forgot one fucking word. If you're serious, you definitely need thicker skin.

For the queen!

 

[Zoramon089]

Link to the video where they show it working?

So you think they're lying? I dunno. Where would there be such a video? All the videos are from floor events so they're probably local multiplayer (might be online, who knows)

 

[MormaPope]

You guys do realize that topics like this are posted, in the manner that they are, for the purpose of getting any fanboys all uptight and overly defensive right? This is a highly ignorable skirmish at best. People are already hot on the heels of more quotes and rumors that can be taken even further out of context. Don't be the focus of their amusement and take this topic any more serious than it needs to be.

No, that's how you're interpreting it.

This thread is about one of the Tekken Tag Tournament 2 designers not completely understanding how to implement online with the Wii-U version of the game.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

OP would make Fox News blush. Disingenuous and inflammatory headlines are a must in the great console wars to come. You can smell the anxiety and fear in the air.

He omitted one word, dude. It doesn't even change the statement much. Geez..

 

[fluffydelusions]

Nintendo is building their own freaking social network on the Wii U.

but gaf thinks

"No way they are making a good online systen..."

does not compute...

Nintendo and Sony have a lot in common. Their software side is generally lacking and they are typically lttp, but the games are usually good. IMO of course

 

[OldJadedGamer]

So you think they're lying? I dunno. Where would there be such a video? All the videos are from floor events so they're probably local multiplayer (might be online, who knows)

What publisher are we talking about here? But my point is proven. No one has seen it actually working. Just words.

 

[prwxv3]

What publisher are we talking about here? But my point is proven. No one has seen it actually working. Just words.

This. Not showing the online systems just two months before launch is pretty fucking disconcerting. I could be wrong though.

Spoiler

and I will probably still get a WiiU at some point

 

[Hoo-doo]

Quality? How can you comment on quality one way or the other before release? You can't. We, however, do know that it is feature rich and unlike what we currently have available on other systems.

We know that Miiverse as part of the Nintendo Network incorporates:
- Friend lists
- User-based activity feeds
- Game-based activity feeds
- Social-hub for games which functions as consumer-driven advertising for what's actually being played
- Direct communication via handwritten messages and typed messages as well as video chat (while games are still running)
Taking screenshots of any game and sharing them with people
- Game-integration for various features like content sharing, message sharing (can be tied to in-game achievements)
- No advertising (unlike the ad-fest that is Xbox Live, for example)

This tells us very little about the actual infrastructure when it comes to, you know, online gaming.

It gives me no info on how the invite system works, how their voice and party integration is handled, what their online store will be like, or how friends are actually displayed and in what ways you can interact with them from the OS menus or in-game, or how games themselves handle the online side of things.

I appreciate your list, but it's mostly fluff, hence my comment on why we can't possibly make a statement about Miiverse's quality yet.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Nintendo and Sony have a lot in common. Their software side is generally lacking and they are typically lttp, but the games are usually good. IMO of course

This is all Nintendo would need. All these ancillary features are unnecessary and are probably going to be gimmicky. This is what they need, the bread & butter:

* Their version of a gamertag/PSN ID (a universal login)
* Friends list that also shows what your friend is playing
* Able to send text and voice messages, especially text
* Seeing a friend playing a game of X shooter and being able to join it with the press of a button (Live has this and I think Sony does too)
* Parties
* Their take on an achievement system (this can come later but it's still important)
* An easy-to-navigate store interface
* Demos, trailers, screenshots about the downloadable games on the store
* Am I missing anything?

If their network can achieve those things it'll be 100% up-to-snuff and ready to go. The list above is all people really care about when it comes to an online network.

 

[prwxv3]

This is all Nintendo would need. All these ancillary features are unnecessary and are probably going to be gimmicky. This is what they need, the bread & butter:

* Their version of a gamertag/PSN ID (a universal login)
* Friends list that also shows what your friend is playing
* Able to send text and voice messages, especially text
* Seeing a friend playing a game of X shooter and being able to join it with the press of a button (Live has this and I think Sony does too)
* Parties
* Their take on an achievement system (this can come later but it's still important)
* An easy-to-navigate store interface
* Demos, trailers, screenshots about the downloadable games on the store
* Am I missing anything?

If their network can achieve those things it'll be 100% up-to-snuff and ready to go. The list above is all people really care about when it comes to an online network.

Having actual accounts instead of purchases being Hardware locked. I did hear they were finally doing this though.