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[ZackieChan]

Good Christ, when I thought you could not been more wrong, you come and post this?

Thanks for your well thought out rebuttal.

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You sound like a poor

 

[thequickandthedead]

What a lame troll

 

[davepoobond]

It's all true, boys and gals.

(I consulted an expert -- me)

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Thanks for your well thought out rebuttal.

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You sound like a poor

Dude, you derided fellow gaffer fiction on why she didn't have a passport because of her hardships and you claim the moral high ground?

 

[PayOffWizard]

Glad to see that everybody else had the same reaction to this as me

 

[eso76]

1b. Rich people are trusting
Surprisingly, a great deal of rich people leave their car and house doors open. Conversely, in areas of poverty, you'll find that this behavior is highly unlikely to happen. Rich people have the tendency to trust those they meet (within reason) and give others the opportunity to be themselves.

yes. I'm sure it's a trust issue and has nothing to do with the fact said car and house are all they have.

5a. Poor people want the cheapest way
5b. Rich people want the best way

Lol. Those dumb poor always trying to save money.

 

[ZackieChan]

Dude, you derided fellow gaffer fiction on why she didn't have a passport because of her hardships and you claim the moral high ground?

The fuck are you talking about?

Edit: where am I claiming the moral high ground? I just want you to have a substantive comment instead of merely talking shit.

 

[Nabbis]

I bet if the author of that article took PCL-R then he would be getting a generous amount of points.

 

[Newline]

So poor people only have negative qualities? Do we only measure the virtues of a man by how much of a material impact he has on the world? I come from a family of Jehovahs Witnesses and whether they are wealthy or poor has very little impact on the value they get out of life. Yes it's an edge case but it's weird for me seeing a list that seems so 1 dimensional.

 

[Frozenprince]

yes. I'm sure it's a trust issue and has nothing to do with the fact that car and that house are all they have.

And the fact that a $60 upcharge might be nothing to a guy who makes $250K a year, but to someone who makes $11-15K a year? That's a weeks food budget. Or a bill payment, or something else that's fundamentally important to his basic quality of life.

 

[Onyar]

Texts like this article make me so angry.
It's not an opinion article, it's a is a blatant insult to poor people.

 

[ZackieChan]

So poor people only have negative qualities? Do we only measure the virtues of a man by how much of a material impact he has on the world? I come from a family of Jehovahs Witnesses and whether they are wealthy or poor has very little impact on the value they get out of life. Yes it's an edge case but it's weird for me seeing a list that seems so 1 dimensional.

Where does it say that poor people only have negative qualities?

 

[I'm an expert]

As the sole resident and leader of Rich-GAF, even I chuckled at 7b.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

The fuck are you talking about?

Edit: where am I claiming the moral high ground? I just want you to have a substantive comment instead of merely talking shit.

You say this to a person with with children?

This is pretty much why I've avoided kids and will continue to indefinitely. Though, again, there are plenty who travel extensively with young children. You just have to make some rather drastic changes to how you earn income, which many admittedly cannot do.

 

[GamerJM]

I fit some of both and I come from a wealthy family

 

[Intheflorsh]

My rich neighbors were disgruntled when they found that their Porsche did not come in a specific shade of green, which they deeply wanted. Because of this, they decided to custom build their green Porsche with unprecedented specifications. I've never seen such a thing!

The ingenuity of the rich folk is truly remarkable.

 

[Frozenprince]

Where does it say that poor people only have negative qualities?

The entire tone of the article and the way it's worded is to basically be one long pros and cons article. Being poor is a con, being wealthy is a pro, then it's just ten bulletpoints that illustrate that.

 

[D.Lo]

*Strokes chin while ordering $100k escort to stroke my penis* very interesting indeed, if only those poors had my wisdom.

fucking nailed it. Should have been 1st post. And yes it's astrolad.

 

[Scarecrow]

While the sections on 'the poors' are terrible, I think the parts about rich tendencies are pretty helpful. Like, I'd say the majority of people (rich and poor) would rather blame others for misfortune rather than take responsibility.

 

[paradise_circus]

I buy used books for a maximum of 1 €, because I'm poor.

 

[ZackieChan]

You say this to a person with with children?

Saying that I don't want to have children, but know people who have raised children while traveling extensively is "deriding" someone now? What planet are you from?

 

[SteveWD40]

11. Rich people are more often than not the children of rich people.

Poor people are not.

We are done here.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Saying that I don't want to have children, but know people who have raised children while traveling extensively is "deriding" someone now? What planet are you from?

Given financial hardship, I don't know think you get the message.

 

[Onyar]

Basically this guy says in the article that he once was poor and became rich because he changed his behaviour. Well great for him, but to be rich it's not only a matter of being active and positive, that helps for sure, but reality is much more complex than this. A lot of people is entrepreneur, but only few can success in that, and mostly of them the luck take a great part. Also maybe some people is unable to leave the povertly because big debts that maybe aren't even his fault, or are because an illness or something else. That's why I find this article stupid and provocative.

 

[travisbickle]

Where does it say that poor people only have negative qualities?

The whole article is about how being rich is a virtue and being poor is a vice, it's disgusting neoliberal bias sentiment that has brainwashed a country and led to the incarceration of millions of poor and a total lack of empathy when the US treats developing nations like shit.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Being rich is awesome, y'all should try it sometimes.

Peep me in my Bianco Eldorado '15 Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale with the tan leather seats, peons.

 

[eso76]

I buy used books for a maximum of 1 €, because I'm poor.

It's the other way round.

You are poor because you buy used books for a maximum of 1€.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

I would change rich/poor to successful/unsuccessful.

I've a background as a highschool dropout and being disabled. I was attending the highest level of pre-university education. This means most of my old classmates who did finish their education have very successful careers, while my career options were severely hampered.
Most people I knew would write me off as being stuck in a situation of only doing shitty, low wage jobs or not working at all, living on welfare for the rest of my life.

About 6 years ago I decided I wanted to become successful too. I decided that if nobody else would see success in me, I would create oppertunities myself.
I went from shifting boxes in nightly hours, to working my way up to the office, doing boring, administrative work, taking my first steps in purchasing at a huge tech company, to soon becoming a manager of a purchasing dept. in an industry I love. I'm still far away from where I want to be, but it feels like I'm finally closing the gap I had on my old classmates.
Besides sheer determination and working my ass off, I think the mentality shifts I made could be the most important factor in getting out of my old situation.
The biggest shift was moving away from feeling like a victim of society and circumstances to getting into the driver's seat, taking full responsibility and realizing I can create success if I can change my perception of me and life.
I recognize a lot of my old way of thinking in the "poor people" points of this article. I also recognize this in my how my parents used to operate. I'm sure it prevented them from having success and joy in their work. So I think there's some truth in this article.

 

[ZackieChan]

Given financial hardship, I don't know think you get the message.

Maybe pick a fight with someone else, OK?

I don't even know what this comment is trying to say, so I can't respond to it.

The whole article is about how being rich is a virtue and being poor is a vice, it's disgusting neoliberal bias sentiment that has brainwashed a country and led to the incarceration of millions of poor and a total lack of empathy when the US treats developing nations like shit.

I was taking exception to the notion that poor people ONLY have negative qualities. The only thing the article (which I don't agree with, no matter what some in here think) says is that poor people demonstrate those particular negative qualities.

 

[no angel]

Damn you Astrolad

 

[Newline]

Where does it say that poor people only have negative qualities?

Huh? I'm taking about the article linked in the OP. Where are the virtuous qualities of poor people in that article? It's all subjective, and they clearly only have one way in which they want to spin it.

Edit:

Basically this guy says in the article that he once was poor and became rich because he changed his behaviour. Well great for him, but to be rich it's not only a matter of being active and positive, that helps for sure, but reality is much more complex than this. A lot of people is entrepreneur, but only few can success in that, and mostly of them the luck take a great part. Also maybe some people is unable to leave the povertly because big debts that maybe aren't even his fault, or are because an illness or something else. That's why I find this article stupid and provocative.

That's the whole idea of our new way of doing capitalism, if you're not successful it's because of an inherent flaw in your character that is under your control, therefore you don't deserve help from those that are better off. I'm guessing that mindset has been pretty large in America for a while and my country (the UK) is currently adopting those neo liberal views now.

 

[M3d10n]

When will people realize that it is mathematically impossible for anything beyond a minority of people to be rich?

In order to move from poor to rich, you need to make several times more money than you spend in making said money. With very few rare exceptions, that is not really possible without resorting to the work of others, who must generate you more money than you spend on them so the numbers work out in the end. It's like a pyramid: the base must be thicker than the top.

So, even if every single person developed "rich people qualities" and started "working real hard" the vast majority would never be able to become rich because there simply is no room for everyone in front of the boat.

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I know it's a troll article, but I was looking for an opportunity to post this.

 

[Bjomesphat]

I think the article is worth discussing in a reasonable way, but GAF certainly isn't capable of that. On GAF, if you're rich it's because you were born into money, if you're poor it's because you're oppressed. Ironically there's no accountability in either scenario.

 

[Frozenprince]

When will people realize that it is mathematically impossible for anything beyond a minority of people to be rich?

In order to move from poor to rich, you need to make several times more money than you spend in making said money. With very few rare exceptions, that is not really possible without resorting to the work of others, who must generate you more money than you spend on them so the numbers work out in the end. It's like a pyramid: the base must be thicker than the top.

So, even if every single person developed "rich people qualities" and started "working real hard" the vast majority would never be able to become rich because there simply is no room for everyone in front of the boat.

1-3% are always going to have the majority of the money, that's just the way things are. But if they're going to control most of the assets, then they need to spend those assets and re-invest that money into circulation not just to use it to generate more personal income for themselves.

 

[BomberMouse]

Rich people have money, poor people don't. That's about it.

What a POS article "rich people are paragons of virtue, poor people suck". And that final dissing at tv sets from books, they are just mediums ffs. A novel is not better than a movie.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I recognize a lot of my old way of thinking in the "poor people" points of this article. I also recognize this in my how my parents used to operate. I'm sure it prevented them from having success and joy in their work. So I think there's some truth in this article.

That is true to some extend, but the examples used here are just ridiculous. Painting your Porsche a certain shade of green is not really some kind of example on how to create opportunities.

 

[Lupercal]

Poor people also say 'Oh Yeah?' and 'Come here a minute'.

 

[Bjomesphat]

Rich people have money, poor people don't. That's about it.

What a POS article "rich people are paragons of virtue, poor people suck". And that final dissing at tv sets from books, they are just mediums ffs. A novel is not better than a movie.

There's a reason they encourage reading in school and not watching movies. There's a direct correlation to higher intelligence from reading books than watching movies.

 

[Frozenprince]

That is true to some extend, but the examples used here are just ridiculous. Painting your Porsche a certain shade of green is not really some kind of example on how to create opportunities.

And I mean, I fully understand the frustration and the misery that a lot of people that live below the poverty line experience, because I'v lived it.

It's soul crushing living from paycheck to paycheck, not knowing if some unexpected variable is going to pop up at any minute and just fuck with your entire life. It's incredibly stressful and incredibly difficult to pull out of. I was lucky my family managed to do it.

 

[Condom]

I think the article is worth discussing in a reasonable way, but GAF certainly isn't capable of that. On GAF, if you're rich it's because you were born into money, if you're poor it's because you're oppressed. Ironically there's no accountability in either scenario.

That is how it is in general bro

 

[Dai Kaiju]

Pretty interesting article that actually makes you question some of the beliefs you might have about poor people being just products of their environment or social factors. I know some might see it as negative or blaming, but it's actually much more hopeful than that when you think about it as a philosophy more geared towards encouraging people to make positive changes and control their own destinies rather than playing The Blame Game.

Pretty thought-provoking stuff all around even if you don't agree with every single point.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/253331

Lol wow.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I think the article is worth discussing in a reasonable way, but GAF certainly isn't capable of that. On GAF, if you're rich it's because you were born into money, if you're poor it's because you're oppressed. Ironically there's no accountability in either scenario.

I don't think this article is worth discussing. It's pretty much trash.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I think the article is worth discussing in a reasonable way, but GAF certainly isn't capable of that. On GAF, if you're rich it's because you were born into money, if you're poor it's because you're oppressed. Ironically there's no accountability in either scenario.

Not really, the artice is just stupid and makes it sound, that poor people are unnecessary shit of the society and only rich people are good.

 

[M3d10n]

1-3% are always going to have the majority of the money, that's just the way things are. But if they're going to control most of the assets, then they need to spend those assets and re-invest that money into circulation not just to use it to generate more personal income for themselves.

No matter how much the money circulates, my point is that it is impossible for everyone but a minority to get to the point where they can buy a porsche or live in a mansion. To get there you need to rely, directly or indirectly, on the services of people who must make less than you, like a food chain. So, this piling on the poor becomes malignant, since they must exist in order to support the rich.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

That is true to some extend, but the examples used here are just ridiculous. Painting your Porsche a certain shade of green is not really some kind of example on how to create opportunities.

I think that's a ridiculous example too. Not sure what the author was thinking.
The gist of 7 seems reasonable though; don't copy others, but find your own way of getting things done, use your unique strengths and dare to be creative.

 

[Frozenprince]

No matter how much the money circulates, my point is that it is impossible for everyone but a minority to get to the point where they can buy a porsche or live in a mansion. To get there you need to rely, directly or indirectly, on the services of people who must make less than you, like a food chain. So, this piling on the poor becomes malignant, since they must exist in order to support the rich.

Well yeah I am aware I was using your point about that to springboard my own point

It's the basic capitalist ecosystem.

 

[M3d10n]

I think that's a ridiculous example too. Not sure what the author was thinking.
The gist of 7 seems reasonable though; don't copy others, but find your own way of getting things done, use your unique strengths and dare to be creative.

It's much easier to be creative when you're raised in an environment that encourages it and isn't worrying about whether to pay rent or buy food next week.

 

[Bregor]

To be honest, it's my opinion that the original article was probably a troll as well. It's far to blatant.

 

[Frozenprince]

It's much easier to be creative when you're raised in an environment that encourages it and isn't worrying about whether to pay rent or buy food next week.

Yep. Like I keep saying, you're naturally risk averse when one fuck up means you can't afford to turn the lights in your apartment on next month.

 

[pezley]

Whilst the list is a bit tosh I think a lot of the sentiments are accurate, not necessarily about wealth but if the words rich and poor were swapped to successful/happy and Unsuccessful/unhappy it would read a lot better.