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[Zapages]

I agree with you on that aspect, but like I said, you can't really blame that on mehndi itself.

I guess... ITs the MEDIA THEN!!!! :lol What do you think about that then?

 

[Zapages]

PS: What is a good gift for about 20 dollars(rule) for a girl in secret gift exchange for eid??? Who you are friends with. Need help quick before Thursday... I never done this before. Is a teddy bear/stuffed animal plushy/just stuffed a good idea??? Specifically a sheep or goat plushy...

 

[SoulPlaya]

*sigh*... Muslims and every ethnic group has their own leaders that they then elect that go into the council of the Ummah.

Check this: Muslims and Non-Muslims elect their own leaders in each region...

Uh, that picture doesn't seem to say anything about different sets of leaders, simply that non-muslims can vote. Once again, different people will live under different rules? And you have to understand why I'm skeptical (considering history) that a Caliphate who preaches that his religion is superior to all others will actually be able to protect the rights of non-muslims. Hell, can he even convince the extremists of that? I gotta consider the fact that the last time a Caliphate was in power, a genocide occured (generals involved or not, whose to say it can't happen again), so you know why I'm skeptical. Shit, I still don't understand how this will solve Muslim's problems.

You don't seem to acknowledge the practical problems either that I brought up earlier. You seem to ignore the differences between Muslims and just say that rich Arabs "must share their wealth".

 

[speculawyer]

PS: What is a good gift for about 20 dollars(rule) for a girl in secret gift exchange for eid??? Who you are friends with. Need help quick before Thursday... I never done this before. Is a teddy bear/stuffed animal plushy/just stuffed a good idea??? Specifically a sheep or goat plushy...

You are the most unintentionally funny poster ever. :lol

Spoiler

I think those gifts are for you.

 

[Zapages]

Uh, that picture doesn't seem to say anything about different sets of leaders, simply that non-muslims can vote. Once again, different people will live under different rules? And you have to understand why I'm skeptical (considering history) that a Caliphate who preaches that his religion is superior to all others will actually be able to protect the rights of non-muslims. Hell, can he even convince the extremists of that? I gotta consider the fact that the last time a Caliphate was in power, a genocide occured (generals involved or not, whose to say it can't happen again), so you know why I'm skeptical. Shit, I still don't understand how this will solve Muslim's problems.

You don't seem to acknowledge the practical problems either that I brought up earlier. You seem to ignore the differences between Muslims and just say that rich Arabs "must share their wealth".

Ok Muslims and Non Muslim vote for Majilises(Local Governments) these Majilises then vote and elect members for the (State parliments). Then after that the State Mjilese elect amongst one that that will then sit in the Ummah Council(Central Government's Parliament0. The Ummah Council(Parliament) amongst them elect an Khalifah.

Anyway the partical problems are???

 

[Zapages]

You are the most unintentionally funny poster ever. :lol

Spoiler

I think those gifts are for you.

Its Eid and we Muslims have Sheep and/or Goat for the second Eid after the Hajj... So it would be cool and cute right???

PS: Thanks, no I don't like plushy.... Although I did have small monkey teddy bear when I was a baby... lol

 

[SoulPlaya]

Ok Muslims and Non Muslim vote for Majilises(Local Governments) these Majilises then vote and elect members for the (State parliments). Then after that the State Mjilese elect amongst one that that will then sit in the Ummah Council(Central Government's Parliament0. The Ummah Council(Parliament) amongst them elect an Khalifah.

Anyway the partical problems are???

What are you joking? The non-muslim population would obviously be far too small to have any influence on the process. You would end up with a 99% Muslim government that I don't believe can be trusted in protecting the rights of the non-muslims. And that picture says nothing about different sets of laws, which I believe would be completley opposed by the mainly Muslim population. The entire population would thus have to live under Sharia law, which would be horrible.

 

[GSG Flash]

PS: What is a good gift for about 20 dollars(rule) for a girl in secret gift exchange for eid??? Who you are friends with. Need help quick before Thursday... I never done this before. Is a teddy bear/stuffed animal plushy/just stuffed a good idea??? Specifically a sheep or goat plushy...

The only gift I've ever given to a girl was a poster of a hockey player, I don't think the girl in question would like that very much :lol

I've never given a girl a gift on eid, but I'd say a teddy bear sounds good

 

[Zapages]

What are you joking? The non-muslim population would obviously be far too small to have any influence on the process. You would end up with a 99% Muslim government that I don't believe can be trusted in protecting the rights of the non-muslims. And that picture says nothing about different sets of laws, which I believe would be completley opposed by the mainly Muslim population. The entire population would thus have to live under Sharia law, which would be horrible.

Not all Muslims would like to live under Sharia Law.... I am not to acquainted with the Sharia Law to give you good answer back... So I am not even going try about that man... I know more about political break down of things here and there.

The best answer I give you is that a region that does not want to live under specific law - then that region will not have to abide by it due to each ethnic region would be like city-state or state-nation type of thing.

 

[Zapages]

The only gift I've ever given to a girl was a poster of a hockey player, I don't think the girl in question would like that very much :lol

I've never given a girl a gift on eid, but I'd say a teddy bear sounds good

:lol , That's awesome man.

Sounds good, I guess I go build a bear workshop and get a bunny bear that says Eid Mubarak or something Sheep or Goat Eid Mubarak/Kareem. :lol Sounds good?

 

[SoulPlaya]

Not all Muslims would like to live under Sharia Law.... I am not to acquainted with the Sharia Law to give you good answer back... So I am not even going try about that man... I know more about political break down of things here and there.

The best answer I give you is that a region that does not want to live under specific law - then that region will not have to abide by it due to each ethnic region would be like city-state or state-nation type of thing.

Dude, then WTF is the point of having a Caliphate if any region could just ignore his rules. Lol, if you want the caliphate to be some spiritual leader with no real power, much like the current Pope, then that's whatever but that's a far cry from what you were preaching earlier.

 

[Zapages]

Dude, then WTF is the point of having a Caliphate if any region could just ignore his rules. Lol, if you want the caliphate to be some spiritual leader with no real power, much like the current Pope, then that's whatever but that's a far cry from what you were preaching earlier.

The Khilfah will have some power in the beginning, but eventually the leaders of the other nations would come the Khilfah as he would the leader of the all the state-nations... I guess you thought Caliphate and instantaneously thought ok monarchy type situation like the later years of Ottomans... I wasn't saying that...

 

[SoulPlaya]

The Khilfah will have some power in the beginning, but eventually the leaders of the other nations would come the Khilfah as he would the leader of the all the state-nations... I guess you thought Caliphate and instantaneously thought ok monarchy type situation like the later years of Ottomans... I wasn't saying that...

Sorry, can you rephrase that?

 

[Zapages]

Sorry, can you rephrase that?

Sure...

Foreign leaders will have to come to the Khalifah for all diplomatic relationships with the countries as he would be leader of all the state nations... As the state-nations have they representatives there, they can determine laws by them and then their local leaders in case of the minorities are there they would vote whether or not to have the law implemented there as the Muslims are not the majority in that region. But they will still have to pay taxes like Muslim, etc. Plus they will have the right to worship and follow their religion as they like to.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Sure...

Foreign leaders will have to come to the Khalifah for all diplomatic relationships with the countries as he would be leader of all the state nations... As the state-nations have they representatives there, they can determine laws by them and then their local leaders in case of the minorities are there they would vote whether or not to have the law implemented there as the Muslims are not the majority in that region. But they will still have to pay taxes like Muslim, etc. Plus they will have the right to worship and follow their religion as they like to.

I still don't understand the point of the Caliphate. You keep saying he can be a voice for Muslims, but Islam is a religious and private belief that shouldn't be influencing government. If the Caliph were more like the current Pope, then cool, but that's not what you want. It seems like you're proposing the current system, only having some figurehead Caliph who has no real influnece. Dude face it, in order to even accomplish what you're proposing major wars would have to be fought. The Supreme Leader of Iran, and the royal families of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, the govt. (and military) of Pakistan, parts of India, etc. are not going to give up authority to a caliph without a fight. You seem to just ignore this fact.

 

[Zapages]

sorry double post

 

[Zapages]

I still don't understand the point of the Caliphate. You keep saying he can be a voice for Muslims, but Islam is a religious and private belief that shouldn't be influencing government. If the Caliph were more like the current Pope, then cool, but that's not what you want. It seems like you're proposing the current system, only having some figurehead Caliph who has no real influnece. Dude face it, in order to even accomplish what you're proposing major wars would have to be fought. The Supreme Leader of Iran, and the royal families of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, the govt. (and military) of Pakistan, parts of India, etc. are not going to give up authority to a caliph without a fight. You seem to just ignore this fact.

Its private, but in broader sense. The Caliph is like the Pope and the like the President/Prime Minister.

The leaders of Saudi Arabia, UAE. Kuwait, and Bahrain are not supported by the middle and lower class arabs. They are only supported by the rich upper 1% of the society... That can be said the same about Pakistan.

To establish a Caliphate is harder said then done. Personally I its going to a be awhile before there is a Caliphate, all I am saying is if we have good leaders running each nation then from United Muslim Nations of the world summit can then try go about the process in the correct manner instead of pushing it aside like the current leaders are doing.

What the US did in Iraq, removed a dictator and finally for the first time ever the common man can gain power, even though it cluster of problems there right now.... Eventually it'll be ok and laws will be establish that can give people that are the middle class control over the nation instead of rich aristocrats... Iran and the Shia and Sunni relationship can be solved if the pro-Wahbisitic movement in Saudi Arabia animosity against the Shia Muslims are held back. Instead they build bridges between the two Muslim religions.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Its private, but in broader sense. The Caliph is like the Pope and the like the President/Prime Minister.

The leaders of Saudi Arabia, UAE. Kuwait, and Bahrain are not supported by the middle and lower class arabs. They are only supported by the rich upper 1% of the society... That can be said the same about Pakistan.

To establish a Caliphate is harder said then done. Personally I its going to a be awhile before there is a Caliphate, all I am saying is if we have good leaders running each nation then from United Muslim Nations of the world summit can then try go about the process in the correct manner instead of pushing it aside like the current leaders are doing.

What the US did in Iraq, removed a dictator and finally for the first time ever the common man can gain power, even though it cluster of problems there right now.... Eventually it'll be ok and laws will be establish that can give people that are the middle class control over the nation instead of rich aristocrats... Iran and the Shia and Sunni relationship can be solved if the pro-Wahbisitic movement in Saudi Arabia animosity against the Shia Muslims are held back. Instead they build bridges between the two Muslim religions.

I keep telling you, the people living living in those rich oil states (not including the poor foreign workers) will never accept the notion of having their money shared with the poor muslim nations, most of which aren't Arab. Stop dancing around the subject and admit it, it would require a major war cuz these guys aren't going to give up power without one.

 

[Particle Physicist]

*sigh*... Muslims and every ethnic group has their own leaders that they then elect that go into the council of the Ummah.

Check this: Muslims and Non-Muslims elect their own leaders in each region...

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what about atheists. who is in charge of them? or do they get put to death??



btw. my mom just found out she knew someone who was killed in mumbai.. a neighbor growing up. :/

 

[yoopoo]

Video of police beating the shit out of the capture terrorist http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2533

Its a cell phone vid...can't see shit though.

 

[cashman]

Video of police beating the shit out of the capture terrorist http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2533

Its a cell phone vid...can't see shit though.

He deserves every last bit of it.

 

[artist]

Video of police beating the shit out of the capture terrorist http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2533

Its a cell phone vid...can't see shit though.

Apparently they were 24 of them, better give them up.

 

[mAcOdIn]

He deserves every last bit of it.

Fuck yeah he does.

 

[speculawyer]

what about atheists. who is in charge of them? or do they get put to death??

They get to rule over the whole thing . . . they are like referees in a sporting event. They are the only ones without a dyslexic dog in the fight.

 

[speculawyer]

He deserves every last bit of it.

Well, it would be nice to get some info out of him before offing him.

 

[Stinkles]

Well, it would be nice to get some info out of him before offing him.

They did! Well, after.

 

[cashman]

Well, it would be nice to get some info out of him before offing him.

they didn't kill him.

 

[yoopoo]

Muslim graveyard refused the bodies to the 9 terrorists.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Mumbai-killers-to-be-denied.4748630.jp

 

[artist]

China quizzes Pakistan over Mumbai attack

BEIJING: Security agencies in China are quizzing their Pakistani counterparts about possible links between the attack in Mumbai and terrorist organisations based in Pakistan, informed sources said.

Chinese agencies have already taken measures to seal off possible loopholes in the country's borders with India, Pakistan and Afghanistan to ensure that no fugitives sneak in. Beijing is particularly worried that Pakistan based terrorists might seek refuge Xinjiang, the terrorism hit province bordering Pakistan.

"We are ready to cooperate with India and Pakistan to fight terrorists groups that are active in the region," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told TOI. "We face the danger of terrorists' attacks from supporters of the East Turkmenistan movement. So, we are very concerned," he said.

China, which is a close allay of Pakistan, is capable of persuading leaders in Islamabad to part with critical intelligence and even hand over terrorists to India. But Beijing might prefer to deal with Pakistani leaders on this score to safeguard itself from terrorism spilling across the border to its own territory.

Liu, the foreign ministry spokesman, said China was ready to join hands with India to track down terrorists groups that may have been involved in the attack in Mumbai on November 26. The event demonstrated that India, Pakistan and Afghanistan continue to be serious targets of terrorists. Chinese security agencies were closely studying the incident to examine the role of terrorists in the region, he said.

"We have an arrangement with Pakistan on working jointly to combat terrorism," Liu said and added that the arrangement is working well.

But an anti-terrorism expert of the Chinese government feels that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was pointing a finger at Pakistan to "cover up" what he described as the "flaws and shortcomings" of the Indian government. The terrorists in Mumbai attack may have come from within India's border, Li Wei, director of anti-terrorist studies of China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations told the official media.

China's public security bureau recently indicated that most of the ultras active in the country's Xinjiang region have been trained and backed by Pakistan based terrorist organisations. Beijing is worried that the close linkages between different terrorists groups and possible links with the al-Qaida could escalate the already volatile law and order situation on the China-Pakistan border, sources said.

Li, who works for the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, said that the Mumbai attack will have profound influence on other nations in Asia. It is also a signal that existing measures on issues like early warning system and risk evaluation are not sufficient to be prepared for such brazen attacks, he said.

The remarks from the Chinese foreign ministry comes in the wake of reports that the Pakistani military brass has threatened to pull out troops from the Afghanistan border and thus bring an end to the US-led war on terror if there is any military action from the Indian side over the Mumbai attack.

Pakistan has for long managed to keep both US and China on tenterhooks by using threats of easing its military pressure on the Afghanistan border and weakening its surveillance of Afghanistan based terrorists groups including Al Qaida activists, informed sources said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or_link_worries_China/articleshow/3784746.cms

Really retarded comments from the Chinese. The failure of the Indian govt to react instantaneously is definitely a failure but that hardly means the terrorists were from India. (And this is when the guy has openly admitted to being Pakistani, being trained in Pakistan by Pakistanis) Also notice how in the very next sentence the Chinese 'expert' blames the terrorist in the Xinjiang region are coming from Pakistan.

 

[ice cream]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or_link_worries_China/articleshow/3784746.cms

Really retarded comments from the Chinese. The failure of the Indian govt to react instantaneously is definitely a failure but that hardly means the terrorists were from India. (And this is when the guy has openly admitted to being Pakistani, being trained in Pakistan by Pakistanis) Also notice how in the very next sentence the Chinese 'expert' blames the terrorist in the Xinjiang region are coming from Pakistan.

Or the Indians could be telling the terrorist to say these things as a sort of a bribe of gettin an easier punishment. Just saying, it's pretty hard to trust the world nowadays.

 

[artist]

Or the Indians could be telling the terrorist to say these things as a sort of a bribe of gettin an easier punishment. Just saying, it's pretty hard to trust the world nowadays.

Sure! But keep in mind that there is cold hard proof leading back to Pakistan. This investigation/leads are being done by Russia, US and whole lot of other countries. Sorry to end your (conspiracy) theory here.

 

[Primethius]

As a guy from Pakistan who doesn't like the country very much, this event makes me angry; not only because of the devastation but also because of my dad. He won't shut up about all the theories and conspiracies about trying to implicate Pakistan and what not, the role of America in this event and all the crazy BS nonsense which I can't stand to hear.

The worst part about it all is that he has to drive me to college because my car is broken. =/

 

[Instigator]

Thomas L Friedman from the NYT wants more than just denied burials for the Mumbai attackers...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/opinion/03friedman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

On Feb. 6, 2006, three Pakistanis died in Peshawar and Lahore during violent street protests against Danish cartoons that had satirized the Prophet Muhammad. More such mass protests followed weeks later. When Pakistanis and other Muslims are willing to take to the streets, even suffer death, to protest an insulting cartoon published in Denmark, is it fair to ask: Who in the Muslim world, who in Pakistan, is ready to take to the streets to protest the mass murders of real people, not cartoon characters, right next door in Mumbai?

After all, if 10 young Indians from a splinter wing of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party traveled by boat to Pakistan, shot up two hotels in Karachi and the central train station, killed at least 173 people, and then, for good measure, murdered the imam and his wife at a Saudi-financed mosque while they were cradling their 2-year-old son — purely because they were Sunni Muslims — where would we be today? The entire Muslim world would be aflame and in the streets.

But while the Pakistani government’s sober response is important, and the sincere expressions of outrage by individual Pakistanis are critical, I am still hoping for more. I am still hoping — just once — for that mass demonstration of “ordinary people” against the Mumbai bombers, not for my sake, not for India’s sake, but for Pakistan’s sake

Why should Pakistanis do that? Because you can’t have a healthy society that tolerates in any way its own sons going into a modern city, anywhere, and just murdering everyone in sight — including some 40 other Muslims — in a suicide-murder operation, without even bothering to leave a note. Because the act was their note, and destroying just to destroy was their goal. If you do that with enemies abroad, you will do that with enemies at home and destroy your own society in the process.

We know from the Danish cartoons affair that Pakistanis and other Muslims know how to mobilize quickly to express their heartfelt feelings, not just as individuals, but as a powerful collective. That is what is needed here.