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[Philly40]

By your logic, a civil response should be avoided because that's what set that person off. I've little patience for someone who quotes Billy Madison.



Civility has nothing to do with the argument made and everything to do with how it is presented. A person could be saying the most horrible, awful, bigoted things, and it would have nothing to do with how civil they were being.

I say, old chap -

let's be civil, I have a lovely bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape sitting right here I'm willing to share with you.


We could have a couple of glasses right now, or we could wait a few years and sell it at 5 times its current price. We can't have both.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

I BOUGHT A GAME AND NINTENDO EXPECT ME TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE SHRINK WRAP TO PLAY IT. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT?

 

[BGBW]

I'll have to remember to put "producer of the shittiest snark in the industry" on my CV.

 

[Zing]

I'm for all toys and games being sold with no packaging so collectors have to move to coins or stamps.

I'm oddly in favour of this.

 

[TheBaldEmperor]

I'll have to remember to put "producer of the shittiest snark in the industry" on my CV.

Time for a tag change for you!

 

[CaptainSlow]

I BOUGHT A GAME AND NINTENDO EXPECT ME TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE SHRINK WRAP TO PLAY IT. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT?

I know right?! There should be a code for a digital copy on the back of the box for me to redeem so I can keep my copy of Sonic Boom... err.. I mean my investment in the packaging and have it displayed on my shelf!

Spoiler

/s obviously

 

[Kyou]

The thing that confuses me about people saying they wanted to buy them as investments and can't now is that wouldn't needing to open the boxes to use the figures make unopened amiibos rarer and more valuable and thus better investments?

 

[Palculator]

I know right?! There should be a code for a digital copy on the back of the box for me to redeem so I can keep my copy of Sonic Boom... err.. I mean my investment in the packaging and have it displayed on my shelf!

Sealed or unsealed, it'll still be worthless.

Edit:

The thing that confuses me about people saying they wanted to buy them as investments and can't now is that wouldn't needing to open the boxes to use the figures make unopened amiibos rarer and more valuable and thus better investments?

Yes, this point has been brought up and I agree with it. It would basically be just like any other product you have to unwrap to use, i.e. mostly all of the entirety of them.

He brought this earlier:

It's actually collector friendly as well, it makes their unoopened amiibos more scarce, and thus more likely to appreciate in value. It is only unfriendly to a select group of people who fancy themselves collectors, but lack either the money or self control to take it seriously.

 

[Insaniac]

The thing that confuses me about people saying they wanted to buy them as investments and can't now is that wouldn't needing to open the boxes to use the figures make unopened amiibos rarer and more valuable and thus better investments?

Also, wouldn't USING the amiibos devalue them anyways? I am not sure how Amiibos work, but I would assume that once an amiibo is used for some particular reason it might not work with another persons console

 

[SRTtoZ]

Have we really come to a point where people expect items in packaging are able to get used without opening the box?

 

[Remfin]

Also, wouldn't USING the amiibos devalue them anyways? I am not sure how Amiibos work, but I would assume that once an amiibo is used for some particular reason it might not work with another persons console

It's not really clear right now (they talk about "registering"), but since Smash (and other games to come) write data to the Amiibo...it would be no longer be "New" if you used it anyway (in some games).

Isn't it great your mint-in-box collectible is worth more because other buyers can safely assume it's not "Used"? GO NINTENDO!

 

[Persona7]

if you want to be a baller put the cash up and buy two

 

[diaspora]

Have we really come to a point where people expect items in packaging are able to get used without opening the box?

Yes.

 

[Palculator]

Also, wouldn't USING the amiibos devalue them anyways? I am not sure how Amiibos work, but I would assume that once an amiibo is used for some particular reason it might not work with another persons console

They can be used to save data for one game, though I am not sure how this works. Would be cool if you could have your Smash save on there so you can have your favorite character unlocked when visiting a friend who hasn't yet.

But most games just read from the Amiibo to unlock in game content, like Hyrule Warriors will. So if an Amiibo was used with them, there'd likely be no trace.

 

[Camoxide]

This is like being annoyed for having to open a game case to play a game...

 

[Starwolf_UK]

I wouldn't worry, they will be hacked before you know it and that side of it will be worthless to people that are super keen on the digital content

I'm naive here. Are NFC chip writers and NFC chips as easy to obtain and use as R4 and ROMs were for say the DS side?

Or are you suggesting a thing where collectors keep the figures sealed but use a chip to play with instead as a solution to this problem, similar to how some people could play their DS games on a flashcart while keeping the games themselves factory sealed.

I can see that being a potential problem, yes. I don't know how prevalent it would be for people to do that, though.

Saw this was already answered but wanted my own spin on it.

Don't underestimate the amount of angst a small minority abusing things can bring. Good example is here:
http://www.thehut.com/articles/international-delivery.list
CRT+F Portugal. The reason why untracked shipping is no longer offered to that whole country is because a minority would just say the package never came and demand a refund...for every order (and brag about on forums...).

I think the situation is similar of having a portal for abuse and denying it by drastic measures as are the consequences (the prices the hut offers are no longer as appealing considering the tracked shipping cost vs. having to buy a second amiibo).

Skylanders and presumably Disney Infinity don't use NFC, they use RFID, and the last guy who tried to hack that got an Activision Cease and Desist. And since they all need a specific peripheral instead of just scanning it onto a game console to work, actual piracy of figure data is probably very low.

Another thing is the core audience are kids and they are found to enjoy the figures outside of the game world which is something a generic chip can't offer them.

You know the new 3DS? It has NFC. I could take my 3ds and use every single fkn amiibo to unlock whatever the hell I wanted, if that aluminium strip wasn't there. This is why it exists. To stop that nonsense. Is that not reasonable?????

How do unlocks happen? Is it on a software level rather than a global level? I would think so (for that feeling of accomplishment) in which case there is not much on the 3DS side yet...

Also, wouldn't USING the amiibos devalue them anyways? I am not sure how Amiibos work, but I would assume that once an amiibo is used for some particular reason it might not work with another persons console

I was about to bring this up. Yes, you can register Amiibo to a Wii U user (maybe even an NNID). I assume this prevents them being wiped or having their name changed by other users (I can't think of any other benefit). Of course other users can still read them (otherwise the whole take your Amiibo to your friends doesn't happen)

But the devaluing bit. What happens when I sell it? I assume the original user can wipe it but can anyone else if they forget...in other words could a second hand user be stuck with a potentially useless or less useful product (I know the answer is Nintendon't care; buy new)

 

[SalvaPot]

Watch the market go crazy for this 20 years from now and unopened mint condition Marth be worth 30 bucks.

 

[espher]

At some point, someone will realize that not everyone who is annoyed by this is some cheap son-of-a-bitch who can't afford two figures or wants to have their cake and eat it too. I mean, sure, a lot of people are, but not everyone is.

The win-win is to have something that allows you to put it back in the package without the package ending up looking like a destroyed piece of shit.

You know, like a box. Maybe for Wave 4.

If I take a game out of its case, I can put it back in the case and close it. I don't have to rip the front cover off.

 

[Chopper]

This thread is fucking embarassing. People arguing that Nintendo are in the wrong?! 8 pages?! Christ.

I, for one, welcome our new aluminium laced packaging.

 

[Daouzin]

We're a few pages in on this, so this is basically the main conversation here.

"I can't use these without opening the box? Skylanders lets me do it. Fucking Nintendo"

"It's to prevent people from scanning them without buying them since you only need to do it once."

"So?"

Bonus Response: "The paint job on amiibos are vastly inferior to Skylanders so the least you can do is let me scan them out the box Nintendo."

Yeah, I just wasted my time reading the whole thread when this post sums up the whole conversation pretty well.

 

[Usobuko]

Have we really come to a point where people expect items in packaging are able to get used without opening the box?

Is there any notable example of this elsewhere? I'm not familiar with this market.

 

[tmarg]

This is like being annoyed for having to open a game case to play a game...

I am annoyed by that. Steam is pretty great guys.

 

[SilentRacoon]

Have we really come to a point where people expect items in packaging are able to get used without opening the box?

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

 

[tmarg]

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

They haven't provided the solution to anything. They have completely different games that use the figures in completely different ways.

 

[watershed]

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

I thought it was also pointed out that for amiibo unlocks they only need to be scanned once and never again whereas the Disney and Activision figures need to be scanned each time to be used. I don't own any of these figurines but that seems like an important distinction.

 

[Palculator]

I am annoyed by that. Steam is pretty great guys.

You will never escape the horror of unwrapping a product!

 

[Iorv3th]

At some point, someone will realize that not everyone who is annoyed by this is some cheap son-of-a-bitch who can't afford two figures or wants to have their cake and eat it too. I mean, sure, a lot of people are, but not everyone is.

The win-win is to have something that allows you to put it back in the package without the package ending up looking like a destroyed piece of shit.

You know, like a box. Maybe for Wave 4.

If I take a game out of its case, I can put it back in the case and close it. I don't have to rip the front cover off.

Use an exacto knife and cut from the sides.

 

[SMgamer83]

But, how dare they make a business decision that makes me do something I don't want to do.

I'm getting a full set to leave sealed, then an extra samus for myself and a peach for my daughter. Admittedly I've been debating opening the full set or not, because I AM to cheap to buy full two sets. In the end I decided I like the packaging and want to keep them sealed.

As an aside, we have the full disney infinity set, all opened (except the crystal versions) so my daughter could use them. Too many she loved, and I didn't like their packages enough.

 

[espher]

Use an exacto knife and cut from the sides.

I'll probably give it a go with whichever one I buy as a dupe to see how it turns out but afaik I have not had success with this in the past, unless I'm confusing things.

Anyway, I know it's a "stupid" thing to fret over, but so are a lot of things people worry/complain out about. *shrug*

 

[Zing]

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

Wow, this is a rather harsh interpretation. Don't think for a second that Disney and Activision wouldn't do the same if their games didn't require constant access to the figures.

Even then, I have read many forum posts from people buying Skylanders and returning them unopened, just to get them into their collection as it permanently unlocks challenges, damage/EXP boosts, items, and such.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Man this topic went to the shitter.

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

Wow, way to completely miss the point and even twist the words!

 

[Lernaean]

Like it has already pointed out, Disney Infinity and Skylanders figurines already provide with this solution, Nintendo doesn't because they consider their clients as potential thieves, because being the cheap fuckers they are, they would just take the included content and return it to the store right away.

Or because, as mentioned earlier by another poster, as Amiibos are not only readable but writable too, Nintendo wants to avoid the lawsuits by angry parents whose child brought home a Luigi figure named D!ckbutt.
This is embarrassing guys, if we are to blame Nintendo for anything, there are system accounts and region lock. This right now is Nintendo hate at its worst, whining because you can't use product if you don't remove it from package.

 

[Pokedude1013]

This right now is Nintendo hate at its worst, whining because you can't use product if you don't remove it from package.

This.

I feel like its pretty understood by those who prefer to keep their collections in their packaging that you don't get to play with it if you keep it in the box... I mean really now.

 

[AzVal]

Can you people imagine the backlash for Nintendo not being smart enough to put the foil and some amiibos get renamed by a prankster with the new 3DS?

Would the backlash be the same if the wrapping would distance the NFC chip enough for it not to be read?

You know what, kudos to Nintendo for not committing an oversight, and in the same move piss off a bunch of crybabies that want to use a product and still kept/show off/resell it as unused.

 

[soy.]

Have we really come to a point where people expect items in packaging are able to get used without opening the box?

yes, and it's seems to be nintendo's fault...

yesterday i was in a traffic light, the light was red, so obviously i stopped
yet the car behind me was honking like crazy
i'm not sure what's her deal, so i move a bit just enough for her to pass me
when we're side by side, a middle-aged woman rolls down her windows and yelled "FUCK, THE ROAD IS CLEAR, WHY DID U STOP U MORON?!?!?!" then speed ahead
i was shocked, the light was red. but she assumed that the light doesn't mean shit as long as the road is clear. and she's absolutely confident that she's right

so, yeah... sometimes i just lost faith in humanity
they're seems so egocentricly confident that they are actually right

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Calling others "too cheap" to buy another set? Because why would I want 2? If Skylanders can do this? Then why can't Nintendo? Don't give me that bullshit excuse of "people returning the product" how often does that happen? Let's not forget that we're talking about a multi-billion dollar company the. Happily put out a shitacular console at £340 on launch. No they aren't bothered about wasting money. So this Amiibo aunt is utterly stupid.
Calling cheap because we don't wanna open the packaging and take care them. How comes I can respect those that want to open it but not he our way around?
So many douches In this thread it's incredible.

 

[soy.]

well, humanity surely doesn't waste time to prove me that i'm right

 

[Lernaean]

I had to open a can of beans in order to eat them, when i obviously wanted to keep it sealed forever.
Fuck Heinz!
...and Nintendo.

 

[Interceptor]

Calling others "too cheap" to buy another set? Because why would I want 2? If Skylanders can do this? Then why can't Nintendo? Don't give me that bullshit excuse of "people returning the product" how often does that happen? Let's not forget that we're talking about a multi-billion dollar company the. Happily put out a shitacular console at £340 on launch. No they aren't bothered about wasting money. So this Amiibo aunt is utterly stupid.
Calling cheap because we don't wanna open the packaging and take care them. How comes I can respect those that want to open it but not he our way around?
So many douches In this thread it's incredible.

I hope its saracasm. I really hope it is.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Calling others "too cheap" to buy another set? Because why would I want 2? If Skylanders can do this? Then why can't Nintendo? Don't give me that bullshit excuse of "people returning the product" how often does that happen? Let's not forget that we're talking about a multi-billion dollar company the. Happily put out a shitacular console at £340 on launch. No they aren't bothered about wasting money. So this Amiibo aunt is utterly stupid.
Calling cheap because we don't wanna open the packaging and take care them. How comes I can respect those that want to open it but not he our way around?
So many douches In this thread it's incredible.

What, I...

ohh!

I hope its saracasm. I really hope it is.

No, look!

BumblebeeCody
A poverty of logical thought

 

[BumblebeeCody]

I hope its saracasm. I really hope it is.

It's a awkward sense of humour. It got me suspended but hey, I got an awesome title from it. (Was worth it)

What, I...

ohh!



No, look!

BumblebeeCody
A poverty of logical thought

Dude I have to live up to my title >: )

No in all seriousness, it's pretty lame. I don't see why we can't have both. The ability to let people who want to open them, open them and let the others keep them in the packaging and still use it?

 

[qizah]

It's so funny that people complain about this holy shit lol.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Are there any videos of the unboxing and playing of those Skylander things. Would really like to see how you can do that and put it back in the box like new.

Nintendo happily put out a shitacular console at £340 on launch.

 

[Resilient]

if you want to be a baller put the cash up and buy two

This is all there is to it. Seriously how are we still here guys? Front up and big dick it with your money if you want to be a True Collector.

 

[wetflame]

"GAF, I Can't Have My Cake And Eat It!", the thread.

 

[tim_pkmn89]

Calling others "too cheap" to buy another set? Because why would I want 2? If Skylanders can do this? Then why can't Nintendo? Don't give me that bullshit excuse of "people returning the product" how often does that happen? Let's not forget that we're talking about a multi-billion dollar company the. Happily put out a shitacular console at £340 on launch. No they aren't bothered about wasting money. So this Amiibo aunt is utterly stupid.
Calling cheap because we don't wanna open the packaging and take care them. How comes I can respect those that want to open it but not he our way around?
So many douches In this thread it's incredible.

It does happen a lot with Disney Infinity -- although more specifically the blind bagged items, to the point where stores have had to tweak their return policies on the product.

 

[massoluk]

I failed to see the problem here...

 

[Naked Prime]

I collect Transformers and most are MISB only because I hadn't a proper place to display them, and now because I have a 3 year old. But I buy figures of characters I like and want to display. Collectors buy because the love a franchise/line not for profits. Yes, sometimes you may decide or be forced to sell a figure (as I was after Hurricane Katrina) but that no where near the issue here. You wanna keep a sealed one buy 2, its that simple. But an investment, c'mon son.

 

[Gravy Boat]

I would like to thank everyone who has partaken in this thread. It has brightened up an otherwise dull day at work. Seeing people complain about having to open the packaging to use a product they bough has really made me feel better about myself, and the life I've got going for me.

I am truly blessed.

 

[pixlexic]

Buy 2?