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The Apple iPad | OT Part II

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Tobor said:
The timing is a little dubious on this rumor, isn't it?

Not saying it won't happen, but who didn't think it after seeing those gestures?
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Further, I'm not super familiar with BGR's track record.

Do they have a good track record on rumors like this?
 
mrkgoo said:
Interesting. Sounds like they're just checking it out at the moment, if true.

I think the home button makes sense on a hand held, but the buttons is kind of awkward on the iPad. Sometimes I have to feel for where it is, and it's often not easy to support it and double-click it. I think the iPad would do fine with gestures, if the gestures are implemented well.
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I think it worked out really well on WebOS. Although my Pre *had* a home button I never used it. Later models removed it anyway. If Apple follows this type of design I would be very happy. Palm used a small 'gesture area" below the screen that in hindsight was wasted space. Apple could build upon this.
 
Buzz out loud podcast will be all over this news tomorrow. They hated the changed of the orientation button. I'm glad there is an option to change it back which i will do and the gesture
 
LCfiner said:
I'm all over those 4 finger swiping gestures. double tapping the home button quickly enough on the ipad is slightly trickier than on the iphone. not sure if that's just me or not.
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For me it's thumb on iPhone most of the time vs pretty much any other finger on iPad most of the time.
Phoenix said:
The setting is there but it doesn't do anything so who knows whether or not it really works. Can any other dev confirm whether its supposed to work at all? It doesn't do jack on my iPhone nor my iPad.
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Might need AT&T to enable it with a new carrier profile?
Charred Greyface said:
so *ahem* fragmentation of iOS?
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It's already fragmented between bigger and smaller screen, this doesn't make it any more fragmented (just an additional feature for the bigger screen).
giga said:
Not bad. Need Exposé in iOS 5. Yes, I have no idea how it would work with the current “recent apps” list since apps are cached to the memory.
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Exposé is dead, long live Mission Control! I'm hoping that the gestures are just a quick add on for 4.x/new iPad release, and something more elaborate like Mission Control is coming for 5.0. It even does the same side swipe to switch between apps, I'm guessing that's more than just a coincidence.

Interesting note on that page: the Launchpad section is "springboard" (works the same as as iOS's springboard) while Mission Control is "thebridge."
i_am_not_jon_ames said:
Further, I'm not super familiar with BGR's track record.

Do they have a good track record on rumors like this?
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They're all over the place...just like everywhere else. This one seems like something they pulled out of their ass to get hits. They could've at least made it more believable, like leaving the iPhone out (since it'd be retarded there).
 
I'll take mission control on ios5 then. Wanted expose but you're right, thats going away in Lion.

blind swiping between apps that you may or may not want to switch to is too hit and miss. Especially because ios doesn't differentiate between an app you've been using and want to use again, or an app you've been using and don't.

eg open browser, play angry birds, open email. Swipe to get to browser, get angry birds instead. I'd like mission control and some way of properly exiting apps. Yes, I know the operating system technically doesn't need to, but from a user's perspective I'd like that to help my organisation
 
neojubei said:
Reading up on the iOS 4.3 beta and rumors on engadget.com I am starting to like the rumor of no home button.
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Same Here. 4 fingers down to get on home page was really a bliss on iPad.
Less noisy when the wife is sleeping just near too ;)
 
mrklaw said:
I'll take mission control on ios5 then. Wanted expose but you're right, thats going away in Lion.

blind swiping between apps that you may or may not want to switch to is too hit and miss. Especially because ios doesn't differentiate between an app you've been using and want to use again, or an app you've been using and don't.

eg open browser, play angry birds, open email. Swipe to get to browser, get angry birds instead. I'd like mission control and some way of properly exiting apps. Yes, I know the operating system technically doesn't need to, but from a user's perspective I'd like that to help my organisation
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Even in the current iteration, you can pinch to get to the home screen. I'm not sure, but I also understand you can reach the multitasking bar by swiping up.

At any rate, I'm sure they'll figure it all out if it gets to that.

I'd love a way to swipe and see the menu bar. Sometimes I just want to know how much time I've spent wasted on my ipad.
 
I still think removing the home button is a bad idea. it's bad for discoverability, it's bad for accessibility and it's bad for ergonomics. It would also make screenshot capturing much more difficult (hold down sleep button then swipe screen? yuck)

And it's not like the home button is the liming factor for the size of the bezel. the bezel could still be made smaller (it could be made too small, even) with the home button exactly where it is.)

I say they keep it in. if they do toss it, I'll consider it an unfortunate step back for the functionality of the device.
 
LCfiner said:
I still think removing the home button is a bad idea. it's bad for discoverability, it's bad for accessibility and it's bad for ergonomics. It would also make screenshot capturing much more difficult (hold down sleep button then swipe screen? yuck)

And it's not like the home button is the liming factor for the size of the bezel. the bezel could still be made smaller (it could be made too small, even) with the home button exactly where it is.)

I say they keep it in. if they do toss it, I'll consider it an unfortunate step back for the functionality of the device.
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I agree.

The home button is a staple, and a reassuring 'escape' key.
 
My 16month old plays for ages on a bunch of little game apps that he bashed around with his hands all over.

This gesture stuff could completely bust this, I hope you can turn it off. It's hard enough getting him of the clicky home button.
 
I personnally don't care about leaving the home button or removing it, I just want the gestures for some equivalent functionnalities (go to home screen, show multitask bar etc ).
 
LCfiner said:
I still think removing the home button is a bad idea. it's bad for discoverability, it's bad for accessibility and it's bad for ergonomics. It would also make screenshot capturing much more difficult (hold down sleep button then swipe screen? yuck)

And it's not like the home button is the liming factor for the size of the bezel. the bezel could still be made smaller (it could be made too small, even) with the home button exactly where it is.)

I say they keep it in. if they do toss it, I'll consider it an unfortunate step back for the functionality of the device.
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I can go either way, I'm sure Apple will have some alternative that is easy for people if they took away the home button. Personally i think the iPad might be better without it.


Gowans007 said:
My 16month old plays for ages on a bunch of little game apps that he bashed around with his hands all over.

This gesture stuff could completely bust this, I hope you can turn it off. It's hard enough getting him of the clicky home button.
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yea you can turn it off or no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx5ufY6xF_s

Fox1304 said:
I personnally don't care about leaving the home button or removing it, I just want the gestures for some equivalent functionnalities (go to home screen, show multitask bar etc ).
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yea I cannot wait for the gestures on the ipad, march is going to be a long wait.
 
mrkgoo said:
Even in the current iteration, you can pinch to get to the home screen. I'm not sure, but I also understand you can reach the multitasking bar by swiping up.

At any rate, I'm sure they'll figure it all out if it gets to that.

I'd love a way to swipe and see the menu bar. Sometimes I just want to know how much time I've spent wasted on my ipad.
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they could pop that up when you bring up the multitask bar..
 
So 4.3 isn't out yet, right? The multi-gestures are fucking awesome, they could have saved that for iPad 2 showing and I would have been impressed. I use tons of gestures on my MBP so this is highly welcomed. And thank god they didn't ignore the community on the switch lock thing, going to make things a lot easier. However, the four finger swipe up would have made accessing the tasks panel a lot easier than double-tapping the home button anyway. About removing the button all-together, although I can see it doing good, overall it's a bad idea. There is no real advantage to such a move other than making things more confusing for new comers (multi-finger gestures). I don't think it's plausible they would remove it just to trim the bezel, they could still put a button in just as easily with a trimmed bezel.
 
they can't remove the home button unless the gestures are 100% reliable even if an app's crashed. what about the times when that happens and the screen stops responding?

i know apple doesn't like buttons, but really, i can live with this one.
 
345triangle said:
they can't remove the home button unless the gestures are 100% reliable even if an app's crashed. what about the times when that happens and the screen stops responding?

i know apple doesn't like buttons, but really, i can live with this one.
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They can always turn the side switch into a home button, if they get rid of the actual home button. Might as well keep fucking that chicken
 
There is no reason to get rid of the Home button except to say "look ma! no buttons!" and feel sort of smug about it. Gestures are great as an addition to the OS, they're not good as a replacement for the Home button's many functions.
 
Apple: Good news everybody, a new update!
Customers: Yay
Apple: We're going to change the external button to mute sounds. Notification sounds because we know how much you hate them
Customers: ...

Apple: Good news everybody, a new update! We learnt a lot from the last one, and we decided to bring back screen orientation lock for the button
Customers: *tears of joy*
Apple: We've also decided to bring in these awesome gesture features!
Customers: OMG, yes, yes yes
Apple: Annnd we've also removed the Home button functionality!
Customers:.. Wut
 
badcrumble said:
There is no reason to get rid of the Home button except to say "look ma! no buttons!" and feel sort of smug about it. Gestures are great as an addition to the OS, they're not good as a replacement for the Home button's many functions.
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No home button would be great. I doubt it'll happen, though. Plus, those mock iPad 2 cases had the button there.

If they remove the home button, I hope they make the bezel nonexistent. Then figure out a way to have the edges be 'smart' and not react to inadvertent touching.
 
Bboy AJ said:
If they remove the home button, I hope they make the bezel nonexistent. Then figure out a way to have the edges be 'smart' and not react to inadvertent touching.
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Ugh, I don't understand why people want this so badly. Looks? Half my palm would be on the fucking screen. Just have a slim bezel, no need to get rid of it, as it has a function purpose.
 
Gowans007 said:
My 16month old plays for ages on a bunch of little game apps that he bashed around with his hands all over.

This gesture stuff could completely bust this, I hope you can turn it off. It's hard enough getting him of the clicky home button.
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Yup, the option is right there in Settings.
 
Sentry said:
Ugh, I don't understand why people want this so badly. Looks? Half my palm would be on the fucking screen. Just have a slim bezel, no need to get rid of it, as it has a function purpose.
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Looks > Functionality for most people. It's a shame, the bezel serves a purpose. Could be a bit smaller though...can't remove it entirely, just asking for problems.
 
neojubei said:
Reading up on the iOS 4.3 beta and rumors on engadget.com I am starting to like the rumor of no home button.
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Depends on how long it takes to retrain the kids, then understand the home button but don't really understand gestures yet.
 
Sentry said:
Ugh, I don't understand why people want this so badly. Looks? Half my palm would be on the fucking screen. Just have a slim bezel, no need to get rid of it, as it has a function purpose.
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Let the app decide when it's necessary. When you're watching video and the iPad is propped up, does the bezel serve a purpose? Something like Kindle could use a smart bezel. This would slim down the size of the iPad without losing anything. It might hinder screen size usability, though.

At least slim down the bezel.
 
Keyser Soze said:
They can always turn the side switch into a home button, if they get rid of the actual home button. Might as well keep fucking that chicken
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Or just add another small button, like the lock screen button.
 
i_am_not_jon_ames said:
Isn't that when the other one launched?

Announced in Feb, launched I believe 60 days later.
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Right, but there's no need to have that kind of lag this time. The 60-day lag time thing for the initial iPad announcement was, I believe, because of two things: initial FCC approval, and the need to give developers some time to update their applications to be native iPad apps or to release new native iPad apps so the store wouldn't be 100% iPhone apps at the time of the iPad's release. The first problem should be significantly lessened with a product update, and the second problem won't exist whatsoever.
 
badcrumble said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/next-generation-ipad-to-launch-in-the-u-s-on-april-2nd-or-9th/

Next iPad not launching until April? Booooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Dude, it's a yearly refresh. Do you boo every year when the new iPhone comes out in late June? Or the iPod Touch is refreshed in September?

badcrumble said:
Right, but there's no need to have that kind of lag this time. The 60-day lag time thing for the initial iPad announcement was, I believe, because of two things: initial FCC approval, and the need to give developers some time to update their applications to be native iPad apps or to release new native iPad apps so the store wouldn't be 100% iPhone apps at the time of the iPad's release. The first problem should be significantly lessened with a product update, and the second problem won't exist whatsoever.
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There won't be. They'll announce it in March.
 
ChackanKun said:
Na dude, same iOS version, obviously different features for different type of equipments.
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Let's think about that and re-read it.

Same iOS version. Ok.
Different features. Ok...

but different features for different types of equipment. Ok... wait.. what?

What's more interesting to me is the fact that this had probably been the idea along as the iPad drove innovation for the iPhone. However, regardless of different features for different products, the delineation between iOS iPad and iOS iPhone is going to be annoying not only to Apple but to the consumer as well.
 
when ios 4.3 comes out, its apparantly not supporting 2nd gen ipod touch (which I have) but will support ipad (which I also have). So what happens when apps get updated to be 4.3 compatible? Do all apps have to be backward compatible with older ios versions (just removing features that are version dependant)?

I suppose a bunch of people have already gone through this with 1st gen ipod touches, and iphones.
 
mrklaw said:
when ios 4.3 comes out, its apparantly not supporting 2nd gen ipod touch (which I have) but will support ipad (which I also have). So what happens when apps get updated to be 4.3 compatible? Do all apps have to be backward compatible with older ios versions (just removing features that are version dependant)?

I suppose a bunch of people have already gone through this with 1st gen ipod touches, and iphones.
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They don't have to be compatible, but if they're not, you lose some market. If your app uses features specific to the new os, then you either male it so older devices can't use the features, or that it won't be compatible.

I really doubt that 4.3 will introduce new Apis such that something. Compatible with 4.3 won't be compatible with older.

And yes, many went through the transition of iOS 3 and iOS 4. Many apps were not compatible with iOS 2, for example. I
 
so what happens (I guess this is hypothetical as you mention nothing big is coming in 4.3)

Do you basically have to choose to update the app and have it on your new device but not your old, or keep it non-updated and have it on both? I can't see how you could have two versions of it as itunes keeps everything 'tidy'
 
mrklaw said:
so what happens (I guess this is hypothetical as you mention nothing big is coming in 4.3)

Do you basically have to choose to update the app and have it on your new device but not your old, or keep it non-updated and have it on both? I can't see how you could have two versions of it as itunes keeps everything 'tidy'
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As you say, you update it and it then stops working on your old device, or you don,t update it.

Or you update it and then never sync the older device, lol.

The way you can keep it functional for both devices is if the developer programs it so that functions are individually turned off if the device can't use it.

You can't keep multiple versions of an app in iTunes.
 
Anastacio said:
How do I put the 4.3 beta on my own iPad?
It's allowed talking about in here isn't it?
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You pay apple $99 and join the development club.

Why wouldn't you be able to talk about that?
 
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