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Zachack said:
Tablets in general (or color e-ink) are going to have the impact, not just Apple's product. If anything, I'd expect that an app store approach as proposed in the article would have a restricting effect, and I suspect a browser-based interface to be what emerges, thereby allowing publishers to avoid giving anyone any money. Unlike the iPhone Kindle approach, where a separate app or website for each and every publisher would be a giant hassle for consumers, the vast majority of now (and likely future) comic readers could be completely served with three websites.
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iTunes and the resulting piracy protections are the very things that the industry is waiting for IMO. Rather than a restricting effect, I think it will be the prime mover.
 
krypt0nian said:
iTunes and the resulting piracy protections are the very things that the industry is waiting for IMO. Rather than a restricting effect, I think it will be the prime mover.
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Andy Ihnatko is saying that Apple won't even need to sell comics in iTunes, just provide the tools for the publishers to sell their own stores via apps. That way there's no fear of Apple controlling the business like it does with music, and Apple still makes money.
 
Shogmaster said:
Salesman get bigger bonuses on quantity. Even though margin of components are far less than actual products, trust me, the sales person that makes that deal happen will be VERY happy.

Management view on component sales are small margin business necessary to keep the Wacom products in art space and software support for the hardware ubiquitous. That's their main concern on components. Wacom sales have managed to put Penabled digitizers into variety of wacky products (like the Rex eReader), but that's not too high on management's radar. It's first and foremost about keeping margins high on their mainstay products (Intuos, then Cintiq).

Also, something you are not aware of: Wacom is Japanese company and their management is over there. I deal with Wacom USA, which writes all the software (drivers) and obviously, deals with sales in N America. So salesman doing jig over here vs Management over there who's main focus is high margin on their products is the reality.



I know you are hell bent on trying prove me wrong on everything you can desperately grasp at, but this is reality I've been telling you. Take it or leave it, but don't tell me what's real and what's not on the subject. I'll tell you to fuck right off and get out of my face.
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I'm not hell bent on anything, there's just a clear discrepancy between your story then and your story now.

I know Wacom is a Japanese company.

Management isn't going to pay commission to sales people any higher than they have to, regardless of which country where the former and the latter work. If management isn't interested in high volume sales deals then they don't have to make that lucrative for ANY of their sales people to pursue. Management can put higher commission on certain types of sales rather than on simple quantity of sales. They can simply nix sales deals if they want.

So suggesting that that there would have been a payout to securing a deal with Apple on this that would have made a salesperson "very happy" is the complete opposite of that. That's management saying they do give a shit about such deals because they wouldn't leave the door open to big commission payouts if they didn't.
 
kaching said:
I'm not hell bent on anything, there's just a clear discrepancy between your story then and your story now.

I know Wacom is a Japanese company.

Management isn't going to pay commission to sales people any higher than they have to, regardless of which country where the former and the latter work. If management isn't interested in high volume sales deals then they don't have to make that lucrative for ANY of their sales people to pursue. Management can put higher commission on certain types of sales rather than on simple quantity of sales. They can simply nix sales deals if they want.

So suggesting that that there would have been a payout to securing a deal with Apple on this that would have made a salesperson "very happy" is the complete opposite of that. That's management saying they do give a shit about such deals because they wouldn't leave the door open to big commission payouts if they didn't.
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Dude, it's simple. It's the high volume of an apple product that would make that salesperson very happy. There is a commission. It's pure sales job. What's hard to understand?

You are trying to take what I've said about management's attitude about component sales from weeks ago and jam it into a phantom discrepancy based on what I said about some of the sales folks I know would feel about landing a big account, which is NOT SO DAMN HARD TO UNDERSTAND that would matter to the sales person, but not to the guys running the company!

STOP GRASPING AT FUCKING STRAWS. Fucking nutjob...
 
Shogmaster said:
Dude, it's simple. It's the high volume of an apple product that would make that salesperson very happy. There is a commission. It's pure sales job. What's hard to understand?

You are trying to take what I've said about management's attitude about component sales from weeks ago and jam it into a phantom discrepancy based on what I said about some of the sales folks I know would feel about landing a big account, which is NOT SO DAMN HARD TO UNDERSTAND that would matter to the sales person, but not to the guys running the company!

STOP GRASPING AT FUCKING STRAWS. Fucking nutjob...
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no ur busted sekrets unveiled
 
giga said:
Buzzkill.

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100106...t-be-showing-slate-pc-at-ces-opening-tonight/
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The NYT never said it absolutely was the courier, just that it was a slate, and this article backs it up. So...we are seeing a slate?

SuperPac said:
Even Sony has a tablet at CES. The "Dash."

http://gizmodo.com/5442053/sony-dash-internet-viewer-is-like-a-giant-beautiful-7+inch-chumby

This whole tablet thing is getting very interesting.
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Not really a tablet, though. It doesn't even have a web browser.
 
giga said:
Buzzkill.

http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100106...t-be-showing-slate-pc-at-ces-opening-tonight/
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Man, this just highlights how much better apple are at leaking info or whatever. I was thinking that if Apple never intended to release a tablet not eh 26th (or 27th), and it was just MBP updates or something, so many people would just die from the buzzkill. But after reading that article about Apple controlled leaks, it seems they know what they're doing. They wouldn't allow so many rampant rumours run around without killing it to prevent possible buzzkill. Opposite of how MS has handled this. Infor for a conceptual Courier leaks out, then preannouncing a surprise tablet, and then it NOT being the courier. MS, you're doing it wrong.
 
Shogmaster said:
Dude, it's simple. It's the high volume of an apple product that would make that salesperson very happy. There is a commission. It's pure sales job. What's hard to understand?
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And the simple corrollary to that is it's only by the grace of the management that it can happen. Especially given the scale of such a deal. They don't make high volume, high exposure sales of this sort lucrative to their salespeople to pursue unless these type of sales do matter to the guys running the company.


STOP GRASPING AT FUCKING STRAWS. Fucking nutjob...
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wipe the spittle from your mouth there.
 
I don't get the appeal of dual screen portable devices. The benefit of going screen only in a portable device is to be able to reduce amount of space needed to do same basic tasks as a device with screen + keyboard, not just to replace space used by a keyboard with something else.

Slate or bust.
 
kaching said:
I don't get the appeal of dual screen portable devices. The benefit of going screen only in a portable device is to be able to reduce amount of space needed to do same basic tasks as a device with screen + keyboard, not just to replace space used by a keyboard with something else.

Slate or bust.
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Three screens and we can play TX-1.

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Looks like the HP Slate is on the way. Seems like Apple isn't the only one to think there is a market for this type of device. Anyone else have little faith in HP delivering an innovative product? I'm sure it'll be competent, but it won't push too many boundaries I'm sure.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Looks like the HP Slate is on the way. Seems like Apple isn't the only one to think there is a market for this type of device. Anyone else have little faith in HP delivering an innovative product? I'm sure it'll be competent, but it won't push too many boundaries I'm sure.
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If its just running Win7 its not that innovative, as cool as Win7 is.
 
krypt0nian said:
No clue. Just guessing really. Is HP known for operating systems?
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No, of course not, but they have been known to throw some custom software on their machines to do some specific things. I see it's running Kindle software for it's e-book so nothing special there. Possibly some custom touch programming, but aside from that I doubt it'll have anything much beyond that.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
That's it? They're not adding any other features to it? Custom software for slate? Special hardware features?
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The one on stage was running stock Windows 7. I'll be curious to see what the price is, but it looks like this could be Apple's fight to lose.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
That's it? They're not adding any other features to it? Custom software for slate? Special hardware features?
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What was surprising about that very quick demo of the HP slate at the Microsoft keynote was how little they actually did with it. Especially for a form factor that has TONS of media buzz and attention around it right now. So they had the Kindle app open and he showed flipping the pages by touching or swiping, then (after struggling with the interface a bit -- nice) played a video. WOW. That screams "I must have one now!"

And the other two slates they just kind left up there to look pretty. I thought if they showed something compelling or some interesting touch features of Windows 7 (if there are any?) Apple might have some competition but...it doesn't look like they have anything? They spent so much time with that cable company stuff and nothing on these slates. Even HP's teaser video was amazingly devoid of content.
 
SuperPac said:
What was surprising about that very quick demo of the HP slate at the Microsoft keynote was how little they actually did with it. Especially for a form factor that has TONS of media buzz and attention around it right now. So they had the Kindle app open and he showed flipping the pages by touching or swiping, then (after struggling with the interface a bit -- nice) played a video. WOW. That screams "I must have one now!"

And the other two slates they just kind left up there to look pretty. I thought if they showed something compelling or some interesting touch features of Windows 7 (if there are any?) Apple might have some competition but...it doesn't look like they have anything? They spent so much time with that cable company stuff and nothing on these slates. Even HP's teaser video was amazingly devoid of content.
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Makes you wonder if they just rushed it to the demo to try to steal a little of Apple's thunder. HP says it's coming out this year, but if Apple hits the March launch date, as rumored, they may be primed to dictate where the slate form factor is going.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Makes you wonder if they just rushed it to the demo to try to steal a little of Apple's thunder. HP says it's coming out this year, but if Apple hits the March launch date, as rumored, they may be primed to dictate where the slate form factor is going.
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God I hope so. Other than the Courier video, there's nothing else worthwhile out there.
 
I expected a rushed, lukewarm show, but not that rushed and lukewarm.

Gruber:
One odd takeaway: what Microsoft once called “tablet PCs”, it now calls “slate PCs”. This strikes me as beyond coincidence regarding the hype from MacRumors’ story that Apple has the trademark and domain name for “iSlate”. I honestly think Microsoft renamed these things on the basis on a rumored name for Apple’s tablet, just to try to fuck with them. (I can’t wait for all the stories, when Apple unveils The Tablet with some name other than “iSlate”, that Apple changed the name at the last minute because of these Microsoft jobbies.)

Anyway, all these “slates” announced tonight are just tablet PCs running Windows 7 — a terrible interface for a touch screen. Nice job, Ashlee Vance of the New York Times.
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Makes you wonder if they just rushed it to the demo to try to steal a little of Apple's thunder. HP says it's coming out this year, but if Apple hits the March launch date, as rumored, they may be primed to dictate where the slate form factor is going.
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That's definitely what just happened. They're not even close to ready.

cjdunn said:
I expected a rushed, lukewarm show, but not that rushed and lukewarm.

Gruber:
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Exactly what I was thinking. I'm going to laugh my ass off when Apple calls it something else and MS just created a category name it's stuck with for nothing.
 
The big surprise to me (introspection: is it a surprise? really?), ahem, is the lack of special software from Microsoft. Nothing at all.

As has been discussed, Apple tablet won't have superscience hardware (frankly, I'm still impressed by the oil-resistant glass), but I do expect skull-cracking bits of software features that could only be done on and for their tablet.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Makes you wonder if they just rushed it to the demo to try to steal a little of Apple's thunder. HP says it's coming out this year, but if Apple hits the March launch date, as rumored, they may be primed to dictate where the slate form factor is going.
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But it's not like Microsoft doesn't have a good amount of touch and multitouch experience under their belt, like with Surface or Zune HD. I guess they haven't brought any of that experience to a tablet form factor yet? It's kind of surprising to me. I kind of expected to see more thunder stolen. This...really didn't steal any.
 
Tobor said:
That's definitely what just happened. They're not even close to ready.
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I don't know if they aren't ready. It's an half-assed and rushed device, yes, but there's really nothing special to it more than a laptop with a touchsceen and no keyboard.

Windows 7 is already kinda friendly to touch inputs, so there's really not much work left to do before launching such a thing.
 
jts said:
I don't know if they aren't ready. It's an half-assed and rushed device, yes, but there's really nothing special to it more than a laptop with a touchsceen and no keyboard.

Windows 7 is already kinda friendly to touch inputs, so there's really not much work left to do before launching such a thing.
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I'm expecting a lot more from Apple than OSX with touch input. By that metric, MS is not ready.

If they can get courier going, maybe.
 
SuperPac said:
But it's not like Microsoft doesn't have a good amount of touch and multitouch experience under their belt, like with Surface or Zune HD. I guess they haven't brought any of that experience to a tablet form factor yet? It's kind of surprising to me. I kind of expected to see more thunder stolen. This...really didn't steal any.
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This is a problem with Microsoft, specifically their size, that I've experienced with various MS products trying to interoperate.

The Surface OS (Vista-based) is different and distinct from the Zune OS, which is not Windows Mobile and then there is the Xbox OS, etc. Different departments, different buildings -- hell -- probably different zipcodes.

This comes off as the Windows desktop department got saddled with the "tablet OS" while the Zune and WinMo teams were left entirely out of it. /speculation

Edit: You know what? I retract that. "Tablet OS" is bullshit. That's going to be Windows 7 with buttons tweaked to be larger for touch. That's it. That's all. Microsoft just doesn't know how to commit itself for such a project.
 
SuperPac said:
But it's not like Microsoft doesn't have a good amount of touch and multitouch experience under their belt, like with Surface or Zune HD. I guess they haven't brought any of that experience to a tablet form factor yet? It's kind of surprising to me. I kind of expected to see more thunder stolen. This...really didn't steal any.
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Right, I agree. They should have plenty of experience with touch interface, and I think this will be decent, like I said above, competent, once it releases. I just don't think it's going to do anything all that special.

And as I said earlier in this thread, I don't think Apple plans to call their's the iSlate anyway. I'd be shocked if they did. MS seems a bit reactionary here, and the whole affair just makes me want Jan. 27th to get here sooner.

Bring on the iBook.
 
It's not like calling this formfactor a slate is actually a brand new trend - they've been interchangably called slates/tablets over the years.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Right, I agree. They should have plenty of experience with touch interface, and I think this will be decent, like I said above, competent, once it releases. I just don't think it's going to do anything all that special.

And as I said earlier in this thread, I don't think Apple plans to call their's the iSlate anyway. I'd be shocked if they did. MS seems a bit reactionary here, and the whole affair just makes me want Jan. 27th to get here sooner.

Bring on the iBook.
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Get on board with a winner! /high five

I really hope that's the name they use. So, so perfect.
 
SuperPac said:
But it's not like Microsoft doesn't have a good amount of touch and multitouch experience under their belt, like with Surface or Zune HD. I guess they haven't brought any of that experience to a tablet form factor yet? It's kind of surprising to me. I kind of expected to see more thunder stolen. This...really didn't steal any.
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It's worse than not stealing any thunder, all that 'shoehorned in to look relevant segment' did is pave the way for Apple to walk in and say "You know those slate PC's you may have heard about? Well this is how it's done".

It's just given Apple more hype and fuelled speculation. If they didn't have anything worthwhile to show they should have shown nothing, or a lot of those prototypes may be going back to the drawing board in a few weeks ...
 
DECK'ARD said:
It's worse than not stealing any thunder, all that 'shoehorned in to look relevant segment' did is pave the way for Apple to walk in and say "You know those slate PC's you may have heard about? Well this is how it's done".

It's just given Apple more hype and fuelled speculation. If they didn't have anything worthwhile to show they should have shown nothing, or a lot of those prototypes may be going back to the drawing board in a few weeks ...
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I think the naming is up for question but these devices have obviously been in development for longer than a few weeks just to steal a bit of Apple's thunder.

Touch was a pretty big part of Windows 7 and we haven't really seen anything built for it apart from a couple of laptops and a few netbooks who shoehorned it in late on. This CES is the first since the Windows 7 launch so it shouldn't come as too much of surprise that a bunch of new tech is now supporting touch.

That said I think they were all pretty boring.
 
D4Danger said:
I think the naming is up for question but these devices have obviously been in development for longer than a few weeks just to steal a bit of Apple's thunder.

Touch a pretty big part of Windows 7 and we haven't really seen anything built for it apart from a couple of latops and a few netbooks who shoehorned it in late on. This CES is the first since the Windows 7 launch so it shouldn't come as too much of surprise that a bunch of new tech is now supporting touch.

That said I think they were all pretty boring.
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Oh yeah I'm sure they have all been worked on for a while but it was so empty and short a mention, showing no real advantage to the tablet format or touch, that it achieved nothing really but build anticipation for what Apple is up to. The emphasis on the word slate just compounded that.
 
D4Danger said:
I think the naming is up for question but these devices have obviously been in development for longer than a few weeks just to steal a bit of Apple's thunder.

Touch a pretty big part of Windows 7 and we haven't really seen anything built for it apart from a couple of latops and a few netbooks who shoehorned it in late on. This CES is the first since the Windows 7 launch so it shouldn't come as too much of surprise that a bunch of new tech is now supporting touch.

That said I think they were all pretty boring.
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If touch is a big part of Windows 7 then they really should've shown off or at least recapped some of the capabilities and software partners that are supporting it in applications for these coming slate devices. Flipping a page in the Kindle app and pushing play on a video isn't really inspiring stuff. And if HP has been working on this for any length of time their 17-second teaser video doesn't show it. Especially compared to, say, the concept videos that every magazine, book and newspaper publisher have been showing off lately.

This is a sad teaser video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIIjTDnX2Y0
 
Hahahahah, that teaser was done as if it was the first device in the world to do touch. Sorry HP.. touch in and of itself is not that amazing. It's all about what you can do with it.
 
Byakuya769 said:
Hahahahah, that teaser was done as if it was the first device in the world to do touch. Sorry HP.. touch in and of itself is not that amazing. It's all about what you can do with it.
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It could have been a (not very good) teaser for the original iPhone.

The pinch for the logo at the end, I mean really. It's like they've been in a coma ...
 
Karma said:
This type of Tablet PC has always been called Slate.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/mobility/articles/choosing.mspx




:lol :lol They created it 9 years ago.
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I'm willing to concede the point if you can find a link that isn't copyright 2009.

JayDub said:
So, what kind of % drop would we see in stocks if Apple doesnt announce one in the next conference?
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A fucking huge one. But since Apple is using controlled leaks to the NYT and WSJ, I wouldn't worry about it.
 
You guys are WRONG

Shogmaster said Win7 has "special little features" included in Win7 when using it :O :O

But in all reality, Windows just pulled a bitch move. I don't know why they needed to show a touch screen device with an operating system that's been out since last year :|..

..Or am I mistaken, did they introduce some type of new feature? Some new tech? Some new way to interact with the operating system?! Or is it just a plan old touch screen from HP, and same old operating system from Windows?
 
Tobor said:
I'm willing to concede the point if you can find a link that isn't copyright 2009.
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So you have never heard of Slate and Convertible Tablet PCs? It has been this way for many years. Apple did not invent the name. You guys are beyond help if you really believe that.
 
Karma said:
So you have never heard of Slate and Convertible Tablet PCs? It has been this way for many years. Apple did not invent the name. You guys are beyond help if you really believe that.
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I hadn't heard the term "slate" used before, and neither had Engadget or John Gruber, apparently. At least I'm in good company.

If MS has been using the term for 9 years as you say, than it's a good example of their inability to do anything with the format.
 
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