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The Championships Wimbledon, 2016 |OT| Brexit at Wimbledon
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CassidyIzABeast
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frankie_baby
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Yes she is
massivekettle
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But the argument can always be made...
Besides, 22 is not enough. She needs at least 23 to undeniably beat Graf - and considering women's tennis was probably more competitive (at the top of the bracket) during Graf's time...
Not after what happened to Seles...
Wafflecakes
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I would prefer 23, but I am not worried.
perfectchaos007
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Yep they had such a competitive rivalry going until the German Graff fan stabbed Seles. She was never the same after that
massivekettle
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Graf has the calendar year golden slam in the same year. It's tough. I think Graf edges it unless Serena can hit 24-25.
Wafflecakes
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Eh. I don't agree.
So much luck plays into streaks like that. What REALLY makes 4 slams in the same year more valuable than 4 in a row over 2 years?
Not to mention that I think you are completely wrong that today is less competitive.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Nobody is making that argument. In fact whenever Court's name is brought up her record is immediately put into proper perspective.
massivekettle
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The mid-80s to mid-90s had Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Evert and other greats like Sanchez-Vicario, Sabatini.
This era is much weaker. No Henin, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Venus has fallen off, etc.. All the 1990s born players have been screwing the pooch or being wildly inconsistent (Muguruza, Kvitova, Bouchard, Wozniacki, etc.).
A calendar year grand slam is more impressive due to the gruelling schedule and no off-season to rest.
No, she doesn't.
Navratilova Was basically done winning singles grand slams in 1987, even though she won her final Wimbledon in 1990. Yes she was still playing and she is one of the greatest of all time possibly better than Graf but Putting her in there as if she was still a major force in the mid 1990s is kind of ridiculous IMO.
Exactly. Evert was done winning slams by the late 80s, too.
Kotetsu534
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Legit GOAT candidates are clearly Graf and Serena (the edge is now with Serena, IMO, but she's going to remove all debate soon enough). Court winning 11 Australian Opens, many of them against extremely weak fields (I believe some of them had almost no non-Australian entrants), isn't comparable with what either of them did.
I think it counts greatly in Serena's favour that she's been able to remain at, or near, the top for so long. She won four Slams in a row in 2002-2003 then 4 in a row in 2014-2015. She's came through serious illness, refined her game relentlessly and has racked up overwhelming head-to-head records against every highly ranked player who didn't retire long ago (acknowledging Muguruza has beaten her twice on clay). It says something when her last three Slams (before today) were RU, RU, SF and people were openly speaking of a decline.
I think it counts greatly in Serena's favour that she's been able to remain at, or near, the top for so long. She won four Slams in a row in 2002-2003 then 4 in a row in 2014-2015. She's came through serious illness, refined her game relentlessly and has racked up overwhelming head-to-head records against every highly ranked player who didn't retire long ago (acknowledging Muguruza has beaten her twice on clay). It says something when her last three Slams (before today) were RU, RU, SF and people were openly speaking of a decline.
GordonHalfman
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A Goat candidate has to win exactly 58% of all the slams they enter. Any less and they won't get the numbers. Any more and they discredit the whole era by making their rivals look too weak.
perfectchaos007
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2 grand slam titles in one day for Serena. Not bad
RastaMentality
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black excellence showing up today.
Was playing doubles while Serena was playing so I didn't get to see the match yet. But I'm not surprised she won. It was only a matter of time before she matched Steffi. And I hear that her serve was better. Not to take anything away from Kerber in Australia, but when Serena plays to her normal capabilities, she is unstoppable.
FortuneFaded
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A bit of symmetry if Murray does win today given that both him & Serena have played in all 3 slam finals this year and lost the first 2.
tycoonheart
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Raonic has become an excellent volleyer.
frankie_baby
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And the break
Come on grassray!!!!!!!!
Come on grassray!!!!!!!!
Freewheelin'
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Murray shot selection is so good. What a player.
BlindCommunication
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Hope Raonic takes the trash out today again like he did on friday. Send Mugray straight into retirement!
No hype for a Wimbledon final ?...c'mon man.Obviously not Canadian either
Go Milos,still early.
Sax Russel
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All according to (a much revised) keikaku
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