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The Dark Knight Rises (Batman 3) - No Riddler
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beelzebozo
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Danielsan said:
probadefinitely.
brandonh83
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hamchan said:
None of the story as presented in the film would have been possible without the twist.
Something that blew my mind was a scene where Leo has everyone met up in this room and while he's explaining his take on things, all the nurses and doctors and shit are giving him this smarmy, smirky attitude. He really had no control and was never ahead.
beelzebozo
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Danielsan said:
i actually think the movie would have been a lot better with a more limited budget.
i like nolan, but i think he comes with many caveats, and i feel sometimes the massive budgets and overambitious concepts, the "big ideas," become ponderous and encumbering. he needs to strip it down to the essentials sometimes.
Skiptastic
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EviLore said:
One of the reasons why I kind of was hoping for a The Dark Knight Returns style Batman film for this one was because, as you said, nobody is going to top Ledger's Joker if there is one central villain. I was hoping for more of a discussion on Bruce Wayne, which would require only minor villains at most, and a venture into whether Bruce needs to be Batman, can he continue philanthropy as Bruce Wayne, head of Wayne Corp, and what Gotham will be like with Batman as the enemy.
Had a movie showing Bruce's evolution into the Batman character. Had a movie with the villain as the main force, the chaos destroying Bruce's world in large part. Now time to go back to Bruce Wayne as the driving force, evaluate that character.
It really blows my mind that anyone could watch Inception and not call it one of the top ten achievements in movie-making in the last eleven years, but I'm reading posts by multiple haters on this forum, and I know a few people in real life (who have friends!) who didn't like it. Granted they're a very small minority, but still. Utterly baffling.
Edit: Holy fuck, Shutter Island better than Inception, you guys are too much. :lol
Edit: Holy fuck, Shutter Island better than Inception, you guys are too much. :lol
SpeedingUptoStop
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Shutter Island requires an immense suspension of disbelief to work. I liked it, it's a very good film, but saying it approaches Inception, to me, is over the top. It's too steeped in B-movie tropes to really be outstanding, for me. And with a hammy concept like that, it had to.
beelzebozo
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Puddles said:
i liked it. but even nolan has made better movies in the past five years. it's not even close to being that impressive an achievement, in the grand scheme of film. it's just a fun summer blockbuster that doesn't understand iceberg theory, or how to talk its way around a situation or a character to show the character. it ignores the importance of showing and resorts to telling. it has many problems.
badcrumble
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Just popping back in to say that David Lynch was able to take a failed TV pilot and turn it into a better film about the unconscious mind than either Shutter Island or Inception. 
Very much taking the audience by the hand slowly explaining the concept and I just felt they didn't explore the concepts and their possibilities well enough. They should have gone deeper and the material should have been thicker. Instead I get a third rate action sequence near the end of the movie that should have either been cut or replaced and that time could have been used to flesh things out.scitek said:
brianjones
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Danielsan said:
inception did this at the beginning.. shutter island did this at the end. that's a big difference for me.
inception had more respect for the audiences intelligence
That doesn't mean much though, it's by far his best film. Lynch can't make a film as good as Mulholland Drive that wasn't a failed pilot himself.badcrumble said:Just popping back in to say that David Lynch was able to take a failed TV pilot and turn it into a better film about the unconscious mind than either Shutter Island or Inception.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Shutter Island had great cinematography. The dream sequences were amazing and should be nominated for an Oscar.
Loved the ending speech by Leo, too.
Loved the ending speech by Leo, too.
beelzebozo
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as much as i will bag on INCEPTION, i will suck the proverbial ween of THE PRESTIGE, which has only gotten better the more i watch it.
Danielsan said:
Yeah, I agree 100%. I actually thought it seemed like Nolan had an explosion quota he had to meet and forced action where more gradual exposition would have benefited the film more. Basically, I would have preferred more Eternal Sunshine and less summer blockbuster.
beelzebozo said:
I think The Prestige is Nolan's best film to date.
beelzebozo said:
No, a fun summer film is something like Independence Day or G.I. Joe The Rise of Cobra.
Iceberg theory is something one guy developed; not every single work of fiction has to abide by it.
I'll just say I disagree entirely and leave it at that. I honestly feel that Inception is better than 7 out of the last 10 Best Picture winners.
Jason's Ultimatum
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beelzebozo said:
That's because there's an underlying theme to the movie. With Inception, there was nothing.
badcrumble
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Well....StuBurns said:
yeah that's true.
beelzebozo
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Puddles said:
Jason's Ultimatum said:
This can't be a serious post.
beelzebozo said:
Something like Raiders is a better summer film, but that's also a legitimately great, Oscar-contending film.
When I think "fun summer film" I think a film that isn't going to be in the mix for any top 10 lists, but is still an enjoyable enough experience if you turn your brain off.
SpeedingUptoStop
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The themes of Inception weren't too far off from The Prestige; regret, loss, inability to let go, guilt. Can't really make a Nolan film without some of that in the mix.Jason's Ultimatum said:
Danielsan said:
IMO it beats The Hurt Locker (and all other nominees from that year), Slumdog Millionaire (and all other nominees), Crash (and all nominees except maybe Munich), Million Dollar Baby (and all nominees), Return of the King (and all nominees), Chicago (and all nominees) and A Beautiful Mind (and all nominees except Fellowship).
Skiptastic said:
DKR had Joker and Superman as the chief antagonists, though. So... Yeah.
Kind of a tight spot, isn't it? They've killed al Ghul and Dent, they won't use any villains with fantastic powers, and Joker may as well be dead because they won't recast him... No one else can provide the level of menace that Joker does: there's a reason why he's the archrival.
We'll see; I expect great things despite logic telling me that the third film is usually a drop off in quality and that with Joker gone for sure a sense of trilogy is difficult without... well, without bringing back Ra's al Ghul. Which I don't think they'll do either.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Jesus christ, the Oscars are worthless.Puddles said:
brandonh83
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Puddles said:
How that thing won best picture blows my fucking mind.
Discotheque
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Shutter Island had one of the most offensive endings I've seen. He literally, fucking LITERALLY pointed to a blackboard and showed the audience exactly what was happening from the start.
Fuck that movie. Inception was much better, and I'm not even a big fan of it. (that's not even my biggest problem with Shutter Island though, so no. Don't drop the "but Nolan also spoonfed the audiences etc.)
The Hurt Locker won best picture because it was the only decent option for the best picture category that wasn't an animated film (never mind, forgot about Inglorious). Honestly, fucking Avatar winning best picture would be about as offensive as Crash or Slumdog Millionaire to me.
Hopefully this year it goes to something actually worthy like Social Network or probably Black Swan.
Fuck that movie. Inception was much better, and I'm not even a big fan of it. (that's not even my biggest problem with Shutter Island though, so no. Don't drop the "but Nolan also spoonfed the audiences etc.)
The Hurt Locker won best picture because it was the only decent option for the best picture category that wasn't an animated film (never mind, forgot about Inglorious). Honestly, fucking Avatar winning best picture would be about as offensive as Crash or Slumdog Millionaire to me.
Hopefully this year it goes to something actually worthy like Social Network or probably Black Swan.
Discotheque
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googling the nominees every year there's at least one or two films every year that was nominated that I like more than Inception.
brandonh83
Banned
Puddles said:
yeah when films like those don't get nominated you know thing are in a very sad state of affairs.
BruceLeeRoy
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Solo said:
I loved Shutter Island but only the book. The movie was a decent stab at it but one that was ultimately let down by Martin Scorsese thinking every scene has to resemble a acid trip. The brilliance of the book was the subtly of the contradictions and them slowly becoming more and more apparent. I can't imagine how anyone could watch the movie and not be led to what the conclusion is a hour before the credits roll. Cinematography is phenomenal though.
rollingstart
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So how about that Batman?
Just to add to part of the several ongoings here:
-Darren Aronofsky is great. The Fountain and The Wrestler were both fantastic and Black Swan looks to be too. But Requiem For a Dream is garbage and made me doubt him enough to pass on The Fountain until after I watched The Wrestler. The jump from Requiem to The Fountain was no smaller than putting a man on the moon.
-Shutter Island was a pretty good movie
-Academy awards suck. Zodiac was robbed before it was able to get robbed.
Just to add to part of the several ongoings here:
-Darren Aronofsky is great. The Fountain and The Wrestler were both fantastic and Black Swan looks to be too. But Requiem For a Dream is garbage and made me doubt him enough to pass on The Fountain until after I watched The Wrestler. The jump from Requiem to The Fountain was no smaller than putting a man on the moon.
-Shutter Island was a pretty good movie
-Academy awards suck. Zodiac was robbed before it was able to get robbed.
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