plasmawave
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I think the only worthwhile villain in the Nolan's Batman universe is the Joker.
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The Dark Knight Saga has the best villains.
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It's funny how Bane going from el Numero uno to number 2 makes people so upset. Apparently unless you are the greatest badass the universe can shit out who takes orders from nobody you are just a giant pussy.
Never in comic book history has a non-boss been the better villain, apparently.
Never in comic book history has a non-boss been the better villain, apparently.
IsntChrisL
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I don't think WB has the balls to try to do Joker again as the main guy for at least 10 years. When you think about the pace they've moved, that's relatively short. But at least TDK has some time to not feel tarnished by a bad imitation. I think they can do the Joker well again, but I don't want them trying to imitate Ledger.
IMPRESSIVE!
lazybones18
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what kind of sick asshole would hate on the Green Goblin? He was fucking great
Professor Beef
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No Mr. Freeze, though.
IsntChrisL
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When I look at Freeze in TAS, I see a deep character with a lot of potential. I would love for them to try to do a real attempt at the character. If they later took a second attempt in a Batman Beyond film- I would die a happy, potato-chip-nutted man.
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ah yes. That was a villain even more conflicted to be "good" than Two-Face. He was a sad little man who only wished to have the resources to research how he could save his wife.
A sad, little, professor they cast as a hulking, Austrian, strongman. I really hope there can be a proper movie portrayal of that suffering old man.
Professor Beef
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LaserBuddha
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Bane lives in a cell in a pit in the middle of the most remote desert in the Friend Zone.
Clooney absolutely is better.
And Batman and Robin is far more entertaining and re-watchable than the "Dark knight saga".
No I'm not trolling either.
Yerp. Also those mob guys joker plays off, they're good at being mob guys.
Everyone else is a bad joke of scriptwriting.
BadAss2961
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Top 10 CBM villains
10. Ra's al Ghul (Batman Begins)
9. Zod (Superman II)
8. Ma-Ma (Dredd)
7. Zod (Man of Steel)
6. Top Dollar (The Crow)
5. Xerxes (300)
4. Shredder (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
3. Bane (The Dark Knight Rises)
2. Joker (Batman)
1. Joker (The Dark Knight)
Don't get mad.
10. Ra's al Ghul (Batman Begins)
9. Zod (Superman II)
8. Ma-Ma (Dredd)
7. Zod (Man of Steel)
6. Top Dollar (The Crow)
5. Xerxes (300)
4. Shredder (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
3. Bane (The Dark Knight Rises)
2. Joker (Batman)
1. Joker (The Dark Knight)
Don't get mad.
tiggerkiddo
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I find it very tough to top Loki. I thought he really shined as a villain/anti villain in Thor 2.
SuperAndroid17
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Liam Neeson was just too good as Ras. GOAT villain
Higgins113
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SOMEONE GET THIS HOTHEAD OUT OF HERE!
Razgriz-Specter
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I don't know, WB pushes him just as hard as they push Batman.
hopefully you are right though.
SolidChamp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFAXvFYhsE
Here's a question...the inflection/delivery of some of the lines on the plane, in the beginning of TDKR has me confused:
When the agent (actor who plays Littlefinger on GoT) asks Bane "What happens when I take off the mask?"
Bane responds with "It would be extremely painful."
And the guy says "You're a big guy."
Bane answers "For you."
What the hell is that exchange getting at? Is Bane saying it would be extremely painful for the agent if he were to take off the mask? Why does Bane say "It would be extremely painful" and the guy follows that up with "You're a big guy".
What is he implying? That Bane is such a huge dude that he could take the pain of having the mask removed?
Fuck, I feel stupid because I don't feel like the proper delivery was there for me to make sense of it.
Professor Beef
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Bane means that if the guy tried to take Bane's mask off, Bane would beat the shit out of him.
Spring-Loaded
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The implication of the "you're a big guy" line is that bane is large and strong so the pain of removing the mask should not hurt him. Yup. But bane flips it by saying for you.
Higgins113
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First of all, the agent's name is CIA (he says "Dr.Pavel, I'm CIA").
Here's my interpretation of this scene, bear with me it's a little abstract/art house:
So a plane is symmetrical. However a main theme of the movie is the wealth inequality between rich and poor.
When CIA removes Bane's hood and asks if removing it will be painful, Bane responds that it would be extremely painful.
What he means by this is the act of moving bane to one side of the plane to more easily remove the mask would unbalance the plane and cause it to crash, hence, painful.
Now CIA realizes what bane means and so audibly agrees with Bane's assessment: Your a big guy (admitting he is right and that it would be dangerous to put him to one side).
Bane, also agreeing with CIA who agreed with Bane, finishes with "For you".
The twist being that Bane is willing to die in the resulting plane crash.
Finally, this ties back in with the wealth equality message. That Bane is willing to destabilize the status quo to achieve his goals.
Bravo Nolan, you magnificent son of a bitch.
+1 for Dafoe's Goblin. So underrated, scenery-chewing at its best. I even kind of dig the much-maligned power rangers mask. Doc Ock is great as well. Both are up there with Ledgers joker I think (though it's hard to compare as Raimi's tone is so different).
Also underrated: Hathaway's Catwoman. She's pretty much the only one in TDKR who actually looks like she's having fun. The early scene between her Bruce the Recluse has a great romantic caper-esque energy to it that makes for a nice contrast to Nolan's general dreariness. I think I'd prefer the movie in which that scene belongs to the one TDKR became.
Also underrated: Hathaway's Catwoman. She's pretty much the only one in TDKR who actually looks like she's having fun. The early scene between her Bruce the Recluse has a great romantic caper-esque energy to it that makes for a nice contrast to Nolan's general dreariness. I think I'd prefer the movie in which that scene belongs to the one TDKR became.
Nah. The James Bond film series has the best villains. Seriously. Some examples:
Ernst Stravros Blofeld
Auric Goldfinger
Emilio Largo
Jaws
Francisco Scaramanga
Max Zorin (fucking christopher walken, best thing about the film)
Franz Sanchez
Alec Trevelyan
Le Chiffre
you can't argue with that line up, and that league of actors (christopher lee, christopher walken, donald pleasance, sean bean, mads mikkleson etc)
Ernst Stravros Blofeld
Auric Goldfinger
Emilio Largo
Jaws
Francisco Scaramanga
Max Zorin (fucking christopher walken, best thing about the film)
Franz Sanchez
Alec Trevelyan
Le Chiffre
you can't argue with that line up, and that league of actors (christopher lee, christopher walken, donald pleasance, sean bean, mads mikkleson etc)
Jawmuncher
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Wish we could have had a bit more of Two Face. Honestly enjoyed Aaron Eckharts performance there more than Jokers.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup
pants
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Next Batman solo flick needs to deal with a true freak of Gotham. Both BB and TDKR dealt with external threats. Only TDK dealt with internal threats to Gotham (the Freaks).
I wanna see Batman take on a Hannibal Lecter-esque villain. Someone equal parts intelligent, dangerous, and totally demented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Zsasz
Yeah. Eckharts take on the twisted Harvey Dent is really menacing. The hospital scene with Gordon is a "shit just got real" moment. I still love Ledger's take on the Joker too. I have never been surprised by a performance.
He had a terrible costume. Dafoe was wasted in it.
Also TDKR was an awful movie, terribily written Batman, wasted Catwoman, a poor end to the series.
TUROK
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On Krypton, your life is laid out for you. You're born already set out to do something, your role in society, pre-determined. His role was to preserve Krypton's people, their way of life.
Kal-El was so important because he was a natural birth, he wasn't genetically engineered, he could set his own path.
One-dimensional? That's the point of his character in the overarching narrative, he is bound to his duty, not because he's crazy or evil, but because that is quite literally what he was born and bred to do.
Yeah but you can rattle off problems with all the movies. They are all rotten acton plots. Without venom there would have been far less of it thus not having the "too much plot" issue.
The Dark Knight Trilogy fairs pretty well compared to a lot of comic book movies, but I still think it has way too many poorly acted parts to stand head to head with the best of movies in general. Even if we are restricting ourselves to action and crime movies.
Ledger's Joker was a classic performance, and Neeson, Hardy, and Hathaway do a good job. However, Two Face was OK at best, Talia's character was ruined, and Scarecrow's overacting is almost as bad as Count Vertigo's on CW's Arrow. The minor mob characters were almost uniformly terrible as well. It's like half the cast thought they were in a regular film, while the other half thought they were in the 1960's Batman show.
Ledger's Joker was a classic performance, and Neeson, Hardy, and Hathaway do a good job. However, Two Face was OK at best, Talia's character was ruined, and Scarecrow's overacting is almost as bad as Count Vertigo's on CW's Arrow. The minor mob characters were almost uniformly terrible as well. It's like half the cast thought they were in a regular film, while the other half thought they were in the 1960's Batman show.
Oldschoolgamer
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The Joker was the best that the Nolan trilogy had to offer. I'd put Loki and Hydra over the rest of them.
TacticalFox88
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I feel like the writer's were trying too hard with Bane when it came to his dialogue. Practically everything he said just HAD to sound like a "memorable" or "badass boast" quote.
While some were good, it was quite nauseating in hindsight.
While some were good, it was quite nauseating in hindsight.
Agreed. I mean, Joker was out smarting and out manoeuvring Batman every step of the way, in TDK rises Batman was the underdog through the entire movie... I dont think ive seen any comic book movie where the toll of being a superhero was portrayed better then Nolan's Batman. He deteriorated near the end.
He's not invincible, which is what i liked, theres elements of OTT action but still grounded somewhat, i mean it wasn't a cosmic force or alien material that stopped the Batman, it was age.
He's not invincible, which is what i liked, theres elements of OTT action but still grounded somewhat, i mean it wasn't a cosmic force or alien material that stopped the Batman, it was age.
Phoenician_Viking
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Bane is a shitty villain, and he should not have been in TDKR. I would have preferred the Riddler/Freeze/Penguin/Poison Ivy to Bane.
FYI Slade Wilson is the best villain.
FYI Slade Wilson is the best villain.
I thought Bane was amazing, and the best choice to test Batman's strength. Any other villain wouldn't have been as interesting because the challenge they'd pose would feel too similar to Scarecrow/Ra's/Joker. Maybe it's because I saw it in the theater but he seemed menacing throughout to me.
The only villain in the Dark Knight trilogy that felt lacking was Talia, but even then I wouldn't call her bad.
The only villain in the Dark Knight trilogy that felt lacking was Talia, but even then I wouldn't call her bad.
Ras himself was sort of a goofball villain, but Neeson killed the role.
I was just coming in here to type that.
Really, I love Bane, Scarecrow, Harvey, and the Joker. But Ras was different and sticks out for me.
BlueTsunami
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It's coming.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...gn-on-to-produce/story-e6frfmvr-1226875813934
It's all part of the plan.
Screw this thread, a Key & Peele Police Academy? Aw yisss
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