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[GAMEPROFF]

I guess the major difference would be that the JLA do their work out of a sense of duty, which the Avengers do too, but the Avengers are also sort of a government task force, working very closely with SHIELD. They're kinda like a superhuman government police force

Ultimate and Movie Universe Avengers/Ultimates maybe.

They have a SHIELD liason, but are far from working very close together.

 

[BadAss2961]

My personal feelings are bullshit? Awesome.

Personal feelings aren't always accurate.

Along with Batman, what makes Flash, Green Lantern, or even Superman or Wonder Woman any less balanced than the Avengers? Each one of them have personal lives and relationships on top of their responsibilities. In my opinion, they (the trinity in particular) come off as gods because they're generally written to have very strong codes that they stick to no matter what, and often have morals and a little more meaning behind their stories that people can aspire to.

 

[Mudcrab]

And spiderman

I remember this one time the Avengers sent out a desperate call for help to all heroes, when Spider-man shows up Falcon looks at him and says something like "why are you here?"

 

[Wiktor]

If you go by the movies, which are effectively the front face of the versions of the heroes most of the public see, then that argument could be made. It's obviously wrong comics-wise, I'm guessing, and DC is doing a better job on TV with Arrow and Flash, but the way the movies seem to portray the various DC heroes don't seem really appealing compared to the MCU incarnations.

Who? Supes? Because Bale's Batman was more humanized than any Marvel hero on screen.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Ultimate and Movie Universe Avengers/Ultimates maybe.

They have a SHIELD liason, but are far from working very close together.

Alright you got me

I've read more Ultimate than contemporary 616 comics

 

[Discotheque]

Who? Supes? Because Bale's Batman was more humanized than any Marvel hero on screen.

Not as much as spiderman or xavier/magneto have been in films

But yeah he had a good overall arc.

 

[Sadist]

I'm no DC guy, but looking at the Justice League cartoons (I do read Marvel comics though) it seems the JL is... wel more of a business. Nothing wrong with that, because they get the job done. They keep to themselves as well.

The Avengers aren't that business-like yet (Well, Luke Cage and the inverted Cap Falcon and Stark seem to think differently) but are more personal with each other on a team level.

 

[Slayven]

I'm no DC guy, but looking at the Justice League cartoons (I do read Marvel comics though) it seems the JL is... wel more of a business. Nothing wrong with that, because they get the job done. They keep to themselves as well.

The Avengers aren't that business-like yet (Well, Luke Cage and the inverted Cap Falcon and Stark seem to think differently) but are more personal with each other on a team level.

It's the witty banter That and living together.,

Someday we will see a proper Cyclops on film.

I keep hoping and praying man, why is it so hard?

 

[TheKaeptain]

I remember this one time the Avengers sent out a desperate call for help to all heroes, when Spider-man shows up Falcon looks at him and says something like "why are you here?"

and he probably ended up saving him.

 

[Wiktor]

Not as much as spiderman or xavier/magneto have been in films

But yeah he had a good overall arc.

No. He was much more human than either Spidey and Xavier/Magneto. He actually got a full circle arc. None of the others did.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Yeah, but X-Men, and actually the various X-Men teams, are quite a bit different from JL and Avengers. X-Men are not so praised as save-the-world hero organizations, and there's a lot more melodrama and teen angst. X-books are a lot more soap opera.

It's been awhile since the X-Men were topping comic sales, but they had a very long run of dominance and popularity.

I was just saying they were defined by their teamwork more so than any other team in comics they thrived on it for a long time , recently not so much.

 

[Maintenance]

The only time that I found Superman interesting was in the "Superman vs the Elite" movie. That ending, my god, for a couple of moments Superman was the coolest thing ever, until they ruined it.

So, with that said, Batman is what I like the most in DC.

Talking about Justice League, I liked JLoom.

 

[SRG01]

and he probably ended up saving him.

The really funny thing about Spider-Man is that he can go toe to toe with bad guys better than most Avengers members, but he's still a reserve member.

Then again, that's probably because Spider-Man's power set is grossly overpowered compared to other heroes.

 

[Escape Goat]

I was just saying they were defined by their teamwork more so than any other team in comics they thrived on it for a long time , revently not so much.

 

[Discotheque]

I've been reading astonishing xmen and while the team banter is fun (sometimes) holy shit does it get too quip-y

Plus 13 issues in and theres still little to none characterization in this.

While I think it would be nice to have a proper cyclops one day on screen that's not as important as a genuinely interesting films which is what singer's xmen series has been imo. McAvoy in 2 hours has had more character development than anybody in this Whedon run in 13 issues so far.

I feel like some people want a movie like avengers with the xmen characters transplanted into it and honestly that's....boring

This leads me to the point where Im glad there are some movies out there that aren't so beholden to the fanboys needs. It's made for more enjoyable films overall (and some stinkers too of course).

Daredevil by bendis tho...this could have been a great film from comic to script

Edit: kinda OT sorry, was just musing about how comic book adaptations should be

 

[Sinatar]

The Justice League vs. Avengers comic actually does a really good job breaking down the differences between the teams. It really boils down to the way each teams world perceives them.

 

[Slayven]

and he probably ended up saving him.

But no one wants to give him a ride though

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

People complain about DC being gods but then sit there and not mention the worst offender of all
Hulk.

 

[Screaming Meat]

The only time that I found Superman interesting was in the "Superman vs the Elite" movie. That ending, my god, for a couple of moments Superman was the coolest thing ever, until they ruined it.

How did they ruin it?

 

[TheKaeptain]

My personal feelings are bullshit? Awesome.

This:

That's the difference between DC and Marvel. DC superheroes are Gods that do a job. Marvel superheroes are people who have balanced lives and relationships on top of their responsibilities

=
bullshit.

The really funny thing about Spider-Man is that he can go toe to toe with bad guys better than most Avengers members, but he's still a reserve member.

Then again, that's probably because Spider-Man's power set is grossly overpowered compared to other heroes.

Tony and Cap can't handle the spot light being taken off them for the best superhero ever written.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

That's the difference between DC and Marvel. DC superheroes are Gods that do a job. Marvel superheroes are people who have balanced lives and relationships on top of their responsibilities.

That's why i've always liked Marvel more. It was just easier to relate to growing up. It's also why I feel that Batman feels more like a Marvel character.

oh lord....
aside from Spider-Man, there aren't many everyman in the Marvel universe too. and Batman is a multi-billionaire that has exotic state of the art weaponry and fighting skills, but yeah, he's an everyman.

 

[Discotheque]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

 

[jmood88]

People complain about DC being gods but then sit there and not mention the worst offender of all
Hulk.

Maybe Smart Hulk but the regular one isn't God-like at all. He's an extremely strong person with a child's mentality and Banner keeps trying everything he can to get rid of Hulk.

 

[Maintenance]

How did they ruin it?

Here, I think that watching this will explain it better. Be careful though, -- ENDING SPOILER ALERT --

Don't mind the guy commenting, that's the first video that I found.

 

[Mudcrab]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

Wakanda's got cures for all kinds of diseases but they figure the rest of the world would either weaponize or patent their discoveries and sell only to the rich.

People complain about DC being gods but then sit there and not mention the worst offender of all
Hulk.

Hulk's life sucks.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Here, I think that watching this will explain it better. Be careful though, -- ENDING SPOILER ALERT --

Don't mind the guy commenting, that's the first video that I found.

I'm familiar with how the movie (and the original comic ends) but I still don't see how it was "ruined?" Was it because he didn't actually kill them? Wasn't that the whole point?

 

[Slayven]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

Reed doesn't care and Tony is too narcissistic.

Wakanda's got cures for all kinds of diseases but they figure the rest of the world would either weaponize or patent their discoveries and sell only to the rich.

And they wood.

 

[Escape Goat]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

You're not supposed to think about that.

Spoiler

Not to mention we have people with healing factors, people with genius as a superpower (Forge, Amadeus Cho, Bruce Banner, etc) and alien technology.

 

[Discotheque]

Reed doesn't care and Tony is too narcissistic.

Lmao Jesus Christ. Bunch of assholes, I'm rooting for reddit's doctor doom now.

 

[Maintenance]

I'm familiar with how the movie (and the original comic ends) but I still don't see how it was "ruined?" Was it because he didn't actually kill them? Wasn't that the whole point?

Yes, I know that Superman is peaceful and all that (even though in MoS he destroyed the whole fucking city while fighting Zod), but in my eyes, before the reveal Superman was finally the badass that I always imagined he could be if he wanted. I understand that this is myself projecting what I wanted in a character, but still...

 

[Slayven]

Lmao Jesus Christ. Bunch of assholes, I'm rooting for reddit's doctor doom now.

Pym is the only one interested in helping mankind with day to day shit. But he has his own issues.

 

[Sinatar]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

The Death of Captain Marvel graphic novel covers this. Cancer is unbeatable in the Marvel U, even advanced space faring civilizations like the Kree and the Shi'ar haven't found a cure for it.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Have they cured all diseases in the marvel universe?

When you got people like reed richards and tony stark farting out complex theories during breakfast you'd think cancer cure would be a joke to them

Norman Osborn has found the the cure to cancer but he is a to big asshole to share it.

 

[Trojita]

I remember in JLA/Avengers when both teams where switched to the other's reality. The JLA saw

• Mutant hatred
• recently nuked genosha
• the fact that Latveria exists

And concluded that the Avengers must be some lazy jackasses

The Avengers saw:

• The Flash museum
• The general public welcoming them like celebrities
• A broadcast of Wonder Woman visiting some cancer patients

And concluded that the JLA must have been tyrants and despots

But Latveria has Doom's Day. A holiday whenever Doom decides to have one.

 

[Mudcrab]

The Death of Captain Marvel graphic novel covers this. Cancer is unbeatable in the Marvel U, even advanced space faring civilizations like the Kree and the Shi'ar haven't found a cure for it.

Cancer even has it's own Cthulhu like pantheon in the Marvel multiverse.

 

[Parch]

Interesting POV's. I've never really thought of Hulk or Spider-Man being grossly overpowered. If anything it's Thor who gets too much power.

DC is on a different level of excessiveness.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I've been reading astonishing xmen and while the team banter is fun (sometimes) holy shit does it get too quip-y

Plus 13 issues in and theres still little to none characterization in this.

While I think it would be nice to have a proper cyclops one day on screen that's not as important as a genuinely interesting films which is what singer's xmen series has been imo. McAvoy in 2 hours has had more character development than anybody in this Whedon run in 13 issues so far.

I feel like some people want a movie like avengers with the xmen characters transplanted into it and honestly that's....boring

This leads me to the point where Im glad there are some movies out there that aren't so beholden to the fanboys needs. It's made for more enjoyable films overall (and some stinkers too of course).

Daredevil by bendis tho...this could have been a great film from comic to script

I wouldnt be surprised if some of Bendis run were in the upcoming show, the creators seem to be farming the books for inspiration.


I dont think anyone wants an Xmen film thats like the avengers, I think people want an xmen film that captures the essence of the team LIKE the avengers film did with its property. Thats something 7 xmen films have continuously failed to do, miserably i might add, shame too, a gold mine of a property.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Yes, I know that Superman is peaceful and all that (even though in MoS he destroyed the whole fucking city while fighting Zod), but in my eyes, before the reveal Superman was finally the badass that I always imagined he could be if he wanted. I understand that this is myself projecting what I wanted in a character, but still...

Superman is a badass without being an antihero though. He's one of the few superheroes left that is simply downright decent. Personally, that should be treasured.

Also, Supes tends to demolish everything around him when he's matched up against a similarly powered foe. That's one of the bits MoS got right.

 

[googleplex]

Flash runs fast. How lame is that? I mean it's a great power, obviously, but it doesn't make for much variety and exciting stories. You basically need to top yourself over and over to not become repetitive and that's why he becomes so out-of-touch with what he can do in the beginning. I mean, running through walls... really?

1. Flash has always deen one of the most human and relatable heros in comes. Your statements tells be you don't know jack about flash in the comics.

2. The Flash could solo the Avengers by himself.


Also the major differences between the JL and the Avengers is that the Justice League didn't turn into a bunch of rediculous goose stepping hypocrites. ( Avengers vs X-Men)

 

[Maintenance]

Superman is a badass without being an antihero though. He's one of the few superheroes left that is simply downright decent. Personally, that should be treasured.

Also, Supes tends to demolish everything around him when he's matched up against a similarly powered foe. That's one of the bits MoS got right.

In the end I agree, he is old enough that his core is settled, basically, and changing it would be detrimental to the character, IMO. But I still would like to see spin-offs of him not giving a fuck about the world/people.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

People complain about DC being gods but then sit there and not mention the worst offender of all
Hulk.

yeah but hulks prowess if purely physical, after DC sued Fawcett comics into the ground and scooped up Captain Marvel, the silver age became a free for all. Wonder Woman went from being an amazon to ...well captain marvel she suddenly had the power of the gods. Superman went from his enhanced human state to...well Captain Marvel, and had..well the power of the gods. Superman has more powers than i will be able to remember and all at a level that is insane, i have a JL comic where he says he can HEAR people using telepathy on him...and just to be a dick Batman confirms that he is right....lol.

Hulk may be the strongest there is, but he isnt the most durable, smartest, fastest, has no energy projection, isnt the best fighter, cannot fly, is nuetralized in zero G, is susceptible to telepathy...i mean come on.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

In the end I agree, he is old enough that his core is settled, basically, and changing it would be detrimental to the character, IMO. But I still would like to see spin-offs of him not giving a fuck about the world/people.

enjoy

 

[Slayven]

enjoy

It's amazing how correct that is....

 

[Screaming Meat]

enjoy

Son of a... that was gonna be my retort!

 

[Village]

People complain about DC being gods but then sit there and not mention the worst offender of all
Hulk.

I would argue that bruce himself is way more OP than the hulk. And the hulk is the nerf.

 

[Seth C]

Interesting POV's. I've never really thought of Hulk or Spider-Man being grossly overpowered. If anything it's Thor who gets too much power.

DC is on a different level of excessiveness.

Not really? The main characters in the Marvel Universe might seem under-powered compared to, say, Superman...but the scale goes and goes and goes for as long as you want it to. Marvel just doesn't bring them out to play that often.

 

[Maintenance]

enjoy

Thanks, I'll try to find that. I'm not a huge comic expert so I don't know many stories.

 

[Wiktor]

In the end I agree, he is old enough that his core is settled, basically, and changing it would be detrimental to the character, IMO. But I still would like to see spin-offs of him not giving a fuck about the world/people.

Well..Injustice comics has him turning evil and honestly, while the writing is weaker than in Iredeemable, Injustice hit me a lot harder emotionally, because those character carry a lot more history with them. On surface it's just a silly videogame tie-in, but many things in it hit me surprisingly hard

 

[shiftplusone]

Marvel superheroes are people who have balanced lives and relationships on top of their responsibilities.

That's why i've always liked Marvel more. It was just easier to relate to growing up..

not a single fucking marvel character has a "balanced life" You people are hilarious.

most obviously, Hawkeye is a complete fuckup in his non avengers life
Tony is just an asshole
Spider-Man was always so busy being a superhero he was fucking up his relationships with everyone important in his life. He was possessed by a guy who saw what a fucking mess parker was and actually made some positive changes.
Reed is constantly "too busy with his work to see what he's missing out on"


How people say that Marvel has more relate able heroes i'll never understand. Is it because they're habitual fuck ups?

Yes, I know that Superman is peaceful and all that (even though in MoS he destroyed the whole fucking city while fighting Zod), but in my eyes, before the reveal Superman was finally the badass that I always imagined he could be if he wanted. I understand that this is myself projecting what I wanted in a character, but still...

not only are you projecting, but you're missing the entire point of both the movie and the character as well.

 

[Mudcrab]

2. The Flash could solo the Avengers by himself.

As long as he doesn't let Strange speak he's golden.

Also the major differences between the JL and the Avengers is that the Justice League didn't turn into a bunch of rediculous goose stepping hypocrites. ( Avengers vs X-Men)

How can you claim this when Batman is standing right there?