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The Difference between the Avengers and the Justice League

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Well..Injustice comics has him turning evil and honestly, while the writing is weaker than in Iredeemable, Injustice hit me a lot harder emotionally, because those character carry a lot more history with them. On surface it's just a silly videogame tie-in, but many things in it hit me surprisingly hard

I get that, but honestly Injustice is brought down for me because the costume designs are bad (not the comics fault), a dependence on shock value, and Tom Taylor's weirdly present hate boner for politics

It brought down the Earth 2 title when he wrote it
 
If you go by the movies, which are effectively the front face of the versions of the heroes most of the public see, then that argument could be made. It's obviously wrong comics-wise, I'm guessing, and DC is doing a better job on TV with Arrow and Flash, but the way the movies seem to portray the various DC heroes don't seem really appealing compared to the MCU incarnations.
The MCU, human and relatable? The MCU is a toon world where the stakes are pretty low (the bad guy never seems like a real threat) and everyone is joking all the time. The Cap films are as serious as it gets, and even those are ridiculous.
 
Flash runs fast. How lame is that? I mean it's a great power, obviously, but it doesn't make for much variety and exciting stories. You basically need to top yourself over and over to not become repetitive and that's why he becomes so out-of-touch with what he can do in the beginning. I mean, running through walls... really?
Superman was the most boring dude around since the invention of comics. He is fucking invincible and can basically do everything. *yawn* Again, it just doesn't make for an exciting story most of the time. WW is a joke, but I can dig her if she would be revamped (like it seems to in the new movie). I don't know MM - and that's another problem with JL, many heroes are simply not widespread, meaning they lack an appeal to do something with them in Hollywood or games or wherever. Ask any kid or adult alike about Spiderman, X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk (which I find lame too btw) and co and they will know them. After Batman and Superman it's becoming difficult to get any more answers about DC heroes.
Flash boring?
Wonder Woman a joke?

Get outta here with that bullshit. It's like you saw a picture of them once and made opinions based on that
 
Spider-Man was always so busy being a superhero he was fucking up his relationships with everyone important in his life. He was possessed by a guy who saw what a fucking mess parker was and actually made some positive changes.

Only applies when you have a shitty writer on the series, who push this to the max because" it has to be ao because its Spider-Mans trope".

Read Stracynzkis Spider-Man and enjoy a Peter Parker with a realistic writtem social life.
 
Well..Injustice comics has him turning evil and honestly, while the writing is weaker than in Iredeemable, Injustice hit me a lot harder emotionally, because those character carry a lot more history with them. On surface it's just a silly videogame tie-in, but many things in it hit me surprisingly hard

I'll try to find the game later, thanks.

not only are you projecting, but you're missing the entire point of both the movie and the character as well.

No, I understand what the movie tried to say, what he said in the end. But there is still the fanboy inside of me that likes to see Superman do angry stuff, that's the part which thinks it got "runied". The levelheaded part thinks that it was a cool movie and that the ending was appropriate for the character.
 
As long as he doesn't let Strange speak he's golden.



How can you claim this when Batman is standing right there?

How much blood is on Batman's hands?

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I get that, but honestly Injustice is brought down for me because the costume designs are bad (not the comics fault), a dependence on shock value, and Tom Taylor's weirdly present hate boner for politics

It brought down the Earth 2 title when he wrote it

I think it stopped being shock value after second or third big death. It's just war and we got used to superhero worlds exiting in eteral limbo, so seeing people on both sides actually die for good is shocking. But I felt like most deaths were pulled off well. Plus I absolutely and utterly loved the "City of tomorrow/Man of yesterdy" sidestory. I mean...just wow...when I finished that, I couldn't start a new issue. I had to put it down and chew through all those emotions for a long while. Beautifuly done.
 
Only applies when you have a shitty writer on the series, who push this to the max because" it has to be ao because its Spider-Mans trope".

Read Stracynzkis Spider-Man and enjoy a Peter Parker with a realistic writtem social life.

"Realistic?"

Spider-Totem

The Other

Osborn cuckolding Spidey to make super powered clone kids

One more day
 
No, I understand what the movie tried to say, what he said in the end. But there is still the fanboy inside of me that likes to see Superman do angry stuff, that's the part which thinks it got "runied". The levelheaded part thinks that it was a cool movie.

Superman not doing "angry stuff" is as fundamental a part of his iconography as his cape.
 

Come on guys, why would you recommend the leftovers when the main course remains the best?


not a single fucking marvel character has a "balanced life" You people are hilarious.

Luke Cage. (i know nearly nothing about luke cage)
Iron fist also seems pretty chill.
Also that Shang Tzi, Tsung, Chi, whatever guy that was karate chopping builder robots.

Also Blue Mahvel, but he mad gary stu
 
What has this to do with his social life and his interactions with his Family?
Hint: Read and try to understand the posts you want to answer.

I'd say finding out his first love had osborn's kids and having the devil dissolve his marriage and retcon his life are pretty integrated to his social life and family
 
The Avengers are a team, while the Justice League is a partnership.

I agree with this completely. You're more likely to see Marvel characters in each others separate stories. It seems like they actually talk outside of their group team ups. With DC, if Batman and Superman are in the same place at one time it's a big deal. While Seeing Spider-man visit Iron Man or The Avengers bringing in an X-Men is pretty common. Also, the Avengers roster seems smaller with changes all the time. The Justice League seems more like a super hero's employment union where everyone is basically a member but may not participate.

IMO
 
Flash boring?
Wonder Woman a joke?

Get outta here with that bullshit. It's like you saw a picture of them once and made opinions based on that
Or maybe he partially formed an opinion based on comic sales. It's not unreasonable to judge the popularity of characters by their sales success compared to other characters.
 
I agree with this completely. You're more likely to see Marvel characters in each others separate stories. It seems like they actually talk outside of their group team ups. With DC, if Batman and Superman are in the same place at one time it's a big deal. While Seeing Spider-man visit Iron Man or The Avengers bringing in an X-Men is pretty common.

It comes across that way because most of the popular Marvel heroes live in New York instead of DC where the big names have "their" cities. It's never really surprising to see Spider-man run into Johnny Storm, Daredevil or Luke Cage, but something must be up if Supes is heading to Gotham.
 
It comes across that way because most of the popular Marvel heroes live in New York instead of DC where the big names have "their" cities. It's never really surprising to see Spider-man run into Johnny Storm, Daredevil or Luke Cage, but something must be up if Supes is heading to Gotham.

THe fictional cities are one of the main reasons why I prefer DC over Marvel, that and much better magical side.
 
Flash boring?
Wonder Woman a joke?

Get outta here with that bullshit. It's like you saw a picture of them once and made opinions based on that

Seriously post reeks of browsing wikipedia quickly and posting about it.

The Flash has some really awesome stories, and also has arguably one of the best rogues gallery of any superhero (second best to me, behind Batman but in front of Spiderman which is third best to me).

Also his powers are fucking awesome.
 
It comes across that way because most of the popular Marvel heroes live in New York instead of DC where the big names have "their" cities. It's never really surprising to see Spider-man run into Johnny Storm, Daredevil or Luke Cage, but something must be up if Supes is heading to Gotham.

Well Johnny and Peter are level 10 bros, they are even in each other's wills.
 
THe fictional cities are one of the main reasons why I prefer DC over Marvel, that and much better magical side.

Did they get around to making John interesting again? I gave JLD like... 5 issues before giving up in a mixture of boredom and rage over what they'd done to my poor hellblazer.
 
Did they get around to making John interesting again? I gave JLD like... 5 issues before giving up in a mixture of boredom and rage over what they'd done to my poor hellblazer.

Well..yes. Somewhat. It's still nowhere near Hellblazer, but he definitely improved in both his own comic and JLD.
 
Did they get around to making John interesting again? I gave JLD like... 5 issues before giving up in a mixture of boredom and rage over what they'd done to my poor hellblazer.

Still hurts. Hellblazer was my last DC/Vertigo monthly on my pull list post Nu52. Now it's all Marvel and the occasional Morrison book.
 
The Death of Captain Marvel graphic novel covers this. Cancer is unbeatable in the Marvel U, even advanced space faring civilizations like the Kree and the Shi'ar haven't found a cure for it.

Yeah. I fucking laughed when I read that.
 
Come on guys, why would you recommend the leftovers when the main course remains the best?





Luke Cage. (i know nearly nothing about luke cage)
Iron fist also seems pretty chill.
Also that Shang Tzi, Tsung, Chi, whatever guy that was karate chopping builder robots.

Also Blue Mahvel, but he mad gary stu

Neil Gaiman's run on Miracleman, with him examining the affects such godlike beings have on the human species, is both enthralling and oddly soul crushing. Alan Moore's run...well that all that needs to be said.
 
What has this to do with his social life and his interactions with his Family?
Hint: Read and try to understand the posts you want to answer.
Almost everything. These things happened during JMS' run. These things had an effect on his personal and social life that never really went away.
 
To me the difference has always been secret identities and payment, the avengers are openly heroes and most people know the names of Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, etc, and the avengers who aren't cosmically wealthy are paid by the government while Most of the JL have secret identities, and live off money made as their civilian identity and their yearly birthday present (envelope of Cash) from Batman.
 
That deflection is totally pointless. And could have harmed Captain. And were the aliens about to run into each other? Makes no sense.

Shut up Kuroyume. You're not COOL enough to understand why that's cool. I bet you have a final fantasy 8 poster to your immediate left.
 
Make it happen. If only to finally end the whining over One More Day. Good grief, that has to be my biggest pet peeve about comic fans. Even many years later, the whining continues.

Comic book fans are whiny but I cant complain about whining over something as monumently stupid as One More Day. I dont even read Spiderman and I was incensed they did that.
 
I agree with this completely. You're more likely to see Marvel characters in each others separate stories. It seems like they actually talk outside of their group team ups. With DC, if Batman and Superman are in the same place at one time it's a big deal. While Seeing Spider-man visit Iron Man or The Avengers bringing in an X-Men is pretty common. Also, the Avengers roster seems smaller with changes all the time. The Justice League seems more like a super hero's employment union where everyone is basically a member but may not participate.

IMO

To the point where Batman is actually seen in many different iterations of very clearly not caring or going along with the JL. He'll sometimes abandon them to do what he wants and he's always on his own agenda (that sometimes coincides with the JL's agenda).

Whether accurate or not... I've always felt like the Avengers are all buddy buddy whereas the JL is very professional and treated as almost Gods.
 
To the point where Batman is actually seen in many different iterations of very clearly not caring or going along with the JL. He'll sometimes abandon them to do what he wants and he's always on his own agenda (that sometimes coincides with the JL's agenda).

Whether accurate or not... I've always felt like the Avengers are all buddy buddy whereas the JL is very professional and treated as almost Gods.

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If the freaking Swamp Thing has awsome stories, power is not a problem to write Superman or the Flash. Besides that, they do have awsome stories, as they have horrible ones, line any character that is milked to death for decades.
 
Almost everything. These things happened during JMS' run. These things had an effect on his personal and social life that never really went away.
One More Day and Osborn banging Gwen were forced by Axel Alonso and not intended by JMS. He was actually extremly pissed about this.
 
The hall of justice is a public facing building with customer service.

The avengers is like your cable company who only helps you when you need it, but it is incredibly hard to get that help sometimes.

When was it hard to get help from the Avengers aside from Hulk?
 
They do feel different and I agree the JL is often more of a league than a ragtag band of heroes. They do have a lot of tension though, specifically early 2000 so much absurd shit was going on with the justice league. Batman building Brother Eye, Identity Crisis, Green Arrow hating Bruce's guts. It is good they are different from one another though.
 
Team books used to be for nobodies that didn't have their own books. Now they are for the publishers' most popular characters. :p

Civil War really shouldn't have happened. Peter Parker's family living in Avengers Tower was a great source of comedy.
 
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