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The digital future, ladies and gentlemen.

Gotchya! :pie_invert:

I doubt you or him has purchased physical forms of music in the past year. So the principle of "physical means I own it" is just subjective.
Me? I bought the new Carcass CD, for example, and I always buy my favourite bands CDs. Also I buy CDs from bands I (used to, since covid) go see live.
The future is digital so better get acustomed to it.
Its their plataform and they can do whatever they want with it. If you dont like it dont buy it is that simple.
The future is fascism so better get acustomed to it.
Its their nation and they can do whatever they want with it. If you dont like it leave Chile is that simple.
 
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Do you buy every song/game/movie/shows as a disc?

Do you have space for these contents?

How do you play your music?

Everyone went to digital, because disc is tedious process. People want fast, and convenient process. You cant have that with any disc based content.

You have to lose something, if you want comfortable things.

We lost closed spaces we had since we were kids, just to get more roads for our cars. We have tall buildings, because we want to be close to our work area. In the process, we lost the safety we had.
Yea,I buy my music on cd's and my movies on dvd/blu-ray......I own it all and can play it all whenever I want......none of it is ever getting deleted,lol.(full disclosure...I am an old fart who has always got his media like this and has no reason or desire to change).In fact I got the new King Buffalo CD today and am listening while typing this....it's very good and popping it in my CD player was not at all tedious,lol.
 
I want to collect the games I buy so I prefer disc copies, anyway. That said, digital is nice because it allows easy swapping.
 
What's the point of physical these days anyway when the version on the disc is either incomplete or broken in need for a patch to work properly?

I'm almost digtal only with PS5/Series X. If they ever decide to take away those games from me, no matter. I'll just set the black sails. Not paying for such a game twice.
You can trade in, sell or let someone borrow physical games if you don't like them, get bored of them or if they are broken and recoup some costs at least. With digital you are usually stuck with them besides a few strict circumstances or conditions. Physical games are almost always cheaper as well. There's no way I want to be at risk of losing expensive games because of "reasons" or "laws" especially if I paid good money for it.
 
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What perplexes me is, gamers stood up against the XBOX Live price increase and for very good reason, but most gamers seems to embrace and even want an all digital future seemingly not knowing the implications it WILL bring. I'm sure it's inevitable, but what gets me is I see many gamers who seem to want it and willing to sacrifice their rights in the name of convenience.
 
What perplexes me is, gamers stood up against the XBOX Live price increase and for very good reason, but most gamers seems to embrace and even want an all digital future seemingly not knowing the implications it WILL bring. I'm sure it's inevitable, but what gets me is I see many gamers who seem to want it and willing to sacrifice their rights in the name of convenience.

That's the part of console war I usually hate. They really think killing physical would benefit their brand/gaming for some reason.
 
That's the part of console war I usually hate. They really think killing physical would benefit their brand/gaming for some reason.
Exactly. I don't get it either. I don't have a problem with digital existing even though I prefer physical and I think both formats can coexist.
 
Exactly. I don't get it either. I don't have a problem with digital existing even though I prefer physical and I think both formats can coexist.

Neither I. Got Quake remastered digital and Crysis Remastered physical.

I guess for those poor minds, having options are better when it suits them.
 
What perplexes me is, gamers stood up against the XBOX Live price increase and for very good reason, but most gamers seems to embrace and even want an all digital future seemingly not knowing the implications it WILL bring. I'm sure it's inevitable, but what gets me is I see many gamers who seem to want it and willing to sacrifice their rights in the name of convenience.

There's a rather large precedent which is PC gaming. So many people have already moved to a digital only situation. I hope it doesn't become the standard for all platforms, but sub services and convenience seem important to some folks. Plus, I think a lot of people don't really think the person in the OP could ever be them.
 
There's no such thing as owning anything anymore. Just bend over and enjoy or take it to the streets. I'm just gonna bend over
 
They can delete your account for any reason they want," Morrison told PCWorld, underscoring we don't buy games from these games services, we license them. Morrison said it's similar to a physical book being purchased versus a book purchased for an Amazon Kindle: You're not buying a book when you pay Amazon, you're buying a license to display that book.
This is called renting. You're not buying games when you pay to download them, you're renting them. It is spelled out in every user agreement of every download scam and no one should be surprised about this. If you want to buy games, you need to buy physical copies. Legally produced physical copies embody their own license, possessing a physical copy is your proof of license and you can do whatever you want with the software it contains as long as you don't copy and distribute it.

Paying to rent a license from the copyright holder gives you no guarantee that you will have access to the product at any point in the future. The copyright holder owns everything, and because they did not distribute a physical object which can be owned and sold in and of its self, you have no recourse if they decide to take away the game that you "bought" when you rented a license.

Fuck renting games. Fuck it forever.
 
There's no such thing as owning anything anymore. Just bend over and enjoy or take it to the streets. I'm just gonna bend over
That isn't true. Mechanical copies (you know, physical games) are things that you can buy and own. When you have them, they are yours. As long as you don't copy them for distribution you can do what you want with them.
 
Long, irritating story but I was there day one when steam launched with Half Life 2, in the end around 6 years later I had no access to my account which included the games purchased for said account.
You did not make any purchases on that account. You made rental agreements and paid rental fees. Steam was your middleman. It was all in the terms and conditions you agreed to when you started paying rental fees on Steam. You never bought anything. When Steam terminated its agreement with you, it terminated the rental agreements that it made on your behalf with the property owners. You agreed to this when you started paying rental fees on Steam.
 
That isn't true. Mechanical copies (you know, physical games) are things that you can buy and own. When you have them, they are yours. As long as you don't copy them for distribution you can do what you want with them.
That's nice and all, but there's little point when half the game is not on the disc, it heavily relies on online servers or it's so broken at launch you wouldn't want to play the 1.0 version anyway. Owning a physical copy is kind of a cope mechanism, you're trying to trick yourself in thinking you own something when you're not much better off than those buying digitally.

If any of my digital games are ever taken away from me, I'll just pirate them back as digital is the one sure way of preserving games. Still, people are free to stroke their physical copies on bed whispering them how much they own them when they also can't play them in the future.
 
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You did not make any purchases on that account. You made rental agreements and paid rental fees. Steam was your middleman. It was all in the terms and conditions you agreed to when you started paying rental fees on Steam. You never bought anything. When Steam terminated its agreement with you, it terminated the rental agreements that it made on your behalf with the property owners. You agreed to this when you started paying rental fees on Steam.

And these are all reasons why I was completely turned off from "digital games" when on a whim the overlords that be can make the decision to take that away. You say all that as if it's ok. My boycott will remain! Fuck you Valve!

#physicalgames4lyf

#icansellmyphysicalgameswhenimdonewiththem

#icanbuyphysicalgamesusedatasteeplydiscountedprice

#noonecantakeawaymyphysicalgames
 
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Me? I bought the new Carcass CD, for example, and I always buy my favourite bands CDs. Also I buy CDs from bands I (used to, since covid) go see live.

The future is fascism so better get acustomed to it.
Its their nation and they can do whatever they want with it. If you dont like it leave Chile is that simple.
Exactly. You get it.
 
And these are all reasons why I was completely turned off from "digital games" when on a whim the overlords that be can make the decision to take that away. You say all that as if it's ok. My boycott will remain! Fuck you Valve!

#physicalgames4lyf

#icansellmyphysicalgameswhenimdonewiththem

#icanbuyphysicalgamesusedatasteeplydiscountedprice

#noonecantakeawaymyphysicalgames
It's okay for people who want it. I don't want it though, and don't "buy" digital games or expansions. I get physical copies, and if there is a day when physical copies can no longer be purchases, I will stop playing video games.
 
Soon you won't even own a console or pc it'll be all streamed and in the far future you won't even own a house we'll be plugged into a virtual reality like in the Matrix.
 
This has been the case pretty much since the inception of online gaming and downloadable game services.

Get banned from services? Lose all your shit. Get a console ban? Lose all your digital and access to online.

This is just scaremongering. Any service that just starts banning and deleting peoples game at will won't be a game service for long.
Except what happens when they start loosing money and instead of cutting costs otherways start shutting down accounts and servers for legit people. My fear for switch atually. Look at what nintendo did to the wii eshop . They could do it again. Same with psn, etc.... These companies dont care that we paid. Their 2cents savings on servers is more important. How many online games that had players got shutdown because server costs (peanuts).
 
That isn't true. Mechanical copies (you know, physical games) are things that you can buy and own. When you have them, they are yours. As long as you don't copy them for distribution you can do what you want with them.
Ya for now. Not much longer. I'm mostly physical btw but slowly going digital for convenience in today's world.

And with backwards compatibility. My digital games are mostly likely more future proof then physical. When future consoles are inevitably digital only, I'll have to rely on old consoles that don't last forever
 
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I can still play gta iv on 360 and have the original music which was removed from next versions/patches.
But besides content being updated/changed/cut and so on - I just like the simplest control over my purchase. The fake ownership. Even if it's the patchless game.
And I like to have the box for my fav games... and psn speeds suck ass.
 
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From a legal perspective you don't own the games in your disc collection, either. You're still just buying a license to play. Any of the platform holders could build in a kill switch into any of these consoles that removes our ability to play physical games without an online check-in. Or just remove the ability completely. It could already be there. They have the ability to require minimum firmware versions for games to be playable. Having a disc is just giving people the illusion of control.
 
What's the point of physical these days anyway when the version on the disc is either incomplete or broken in need for a patch to work properly?

I'm almost digtal only with PS5/Series X. If they ever decide to take away those games from me, no matter. I'll just set the black sails. Not paying for such a game twice.

So just because the game dev companies these days are crappy or bad at their job validates giving up on everything physical that could help you in "bad times" getting some bucks and celebrate digital only futures that literally increases the dispossession of the normal people?

Maybe we should go back to the times where "developers" loved what they do and werent only working for share holder to deliver "products" instead of "Videogames".

I can literally smell the next videogaming crash.

I know why i dont buy all the "Triple AAA" crap at launch anymore and wait for it to drop down like 50 % in price. Most of those games are crap nowdays anyway.

The last game i was interested in was "Tales of Arise" - i bought it digitally.....i wish i could sell it again *lol*

Iam sure we will have more of those stories in the future where people lose their complete gaming library worth thousands of dollar. I would just sue the shit out of them.
 
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From a legal perspective you don't own the games in your disc collection, either. You're still just buying a license to play. Any of the platform holders could build in a kill switch into any of these consoles that removes our ability to play physical games without an online check-in. Or just remove the ability completely. It could already be there. They have the ability to require minimum firmware versions for games to be playable. Having a disc is just giving people the illusion of control.

There's some key differences, though. What happened to the person in OP cannot happen to a person who has physical games. If I decide to never go online again, I can still play my games on my PS3 and PS4 (and PS2). Your what-if situations are just that...what-ifs. There are no precedents for them and again, as the OP shows, we are seeing a problem with digital only (a rare one, of course). It's not really about the illusion of control, it's about having access to the products I buy and the ability to trade, sell, and play them how I want.
 
Gdpr is only about your personal information on unused records for over 6 years. So you basically have to not log in for 6 years.
 
Gdpr is only about your personal information on unused records for over 6 years. So you basically have to not log in for 6 years.

I know people - trust me - they will wait for 6 years and then come back directly after they lost their stuff to find out that they are now too late and start complaining
 
There's some key differences, though. What happened to the person in OP cannot happen to a person who has physical games. If I decide to never go online again, I can still play my games on my PS3 and PS4 (and PS2). Your what-if situations are just that...what-ifs. There are no precedents for them and again, as the OP shows, we are seeing a problem with digital only (a rare one, of course). It's not really about the illusion of control, it's about having access to the products I buy and the ability to trade, sell, and play them how I want.
So you actually believe that it is impossible for you to be prevented from playing disc-based games if you never go online again? PS3 and PS4 have a history of requiring you to update your system before you can play games by having minimum required firmware versions for tons of games. Any one of those required updates, or any update you've already applied, could lock you out at any time in the future. But yeah, believe you're in control if it makes you feel better.
 
So you actually believe that it is impossible for you to be prevented from playing disc-based games if you never go online again? PS3 and PS4 have a history of requiring you to update your system before you can play games by having minimum required firmware versions for tons of games. Any one of those required updates, or any update you've already applied, could lock you out at any time in the future. But yeah, believe you're in control if it makes you feel better.

I've had it happen with one game, DMC on the PS3. I was told changing a setting would have bypassed it, but this wasn't until much later. I have zero interest in being "in control" (I do in consumer rights, though), but it looks like that's all you took from my post.
 
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It's possible to be hit by a meteor right now and lose all your games too, you knew that?
And that scenario is even more plausible to happen than steam banning your account because you had a swastika avatar and typed heil Hitler in your dota 2 chat.

Given there's over 300k players alone in dota 2 right now I'd be more afraid of that meteor hitting me right now.
 
What IF... You could have physical and didn't had to get up to change discs ? :O

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Love that setup. I'm trying to get something similar going in my mancave/office. Did you end up sticking with that chair?
 
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Neither I. Got Quake remastered digital and Crysis Remastered physical.

I guess for those poor minds, having options are better when it suits them.
I agree. I got a plethora of physical games, but I also have a lot of digital games as well. If the price is right, I'll buy digital as well. I like having options instead of being locked to only one choice.
 
That´s why I go physical whenever it`s possible. I like to own products I "buy".

Wont help you, they could easily ban your games license of physical copy's through firmware/os update's. Which they force on you by requiring for new games that have the updates on the discs already.

This is what the switch games also do, they patch the OS from the cartridge, so data like serial ban will be easy to do.
 
Who lives in fear that their account will get banned? For the most part, people have their consoles and PC's connected to the internet. We all love the desire to play offline. If the console or PC loses the internet, that game stays up and we are good to go indefinitely. Do people actually practice that mentality? If I lived in the country where my download speeds were atrocious or if I somehow had no internet. I would care a lot more about owning physical, but I don't. I live where cable and fiber connections are everywhere. I'm not concerned when I buy digital. The people who tend get banned or deleted are probably either A. Not doing something right in the first place or B. Their interests has just faded with time. I'm against them deleting your account that you had for 10+ years and you paid for content on that account. To me, something would have had to have happen to make this something to fear. As of today, we have digital only next gen consoles. If GOG or Steam ever plummets or we see a mass amount of users complain then maybe I'd feel different. I imagine something like account security is far more important than account deletion. If people cheat, steal, or harass someone else then yea- they don't deserve to be a user on that service. I spent close to $200 this month and most months about as much, on digital goods. It's not new to me. So far, I've had a minor issues (knock on wood).
 
Ya for now. Not much longer. I'm mostly physical btw but slowly going digital for convenience in today's world.

And with backwards compatibility. My digital games are mostly likely more future proof then physical. When future consoles are inevitably digital only, I'll have to rely on old consoles that don't last forever
The laws governing property aren't going to change. Physical copies are still physical objects that the owner owns.
 
Valve being allowed to close your account at any time for any reason has been a thing since Steam launched 18 years ago. This ain't new.
It's also illegal, but ok. Nope, just because it's in TOS doesn't make it legal, even in the US.
 
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