I remember they said Xbox One first, but if that's in December, perhaps PC could drop in January then.
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The Division - Multiplayer Gameplay Hands on from Jackfrags
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I remember they said Xbox One first, but if that's in December, perhaps PC could drop in January then.
Dynasty8
Member
Damn...that'll kind of suck.
I'm looking for a game with a long coop component I can play with my friends that's compelling with a wide variety of things to do. If I get that then I don't really care about the dark zone stuff. I'll prob just go in there from time to time to have a bit of a laugh with my friends. They really need to show more of the SP/Coop part of the game in my opinion.
Correct.
Ah oke. Hopefully the other platforms get one also. Probably is just a demo as always. But i want to play it before i make any decision really.
tracyllrkn
Neo Member
It's really hard for me to get excited for this game now.
PC and PS4 beta early 2016 if I remember.
The bullet sponge enemies are going to kill the game for me. And this is coming from someone who loves every Tom Clancy game.
Yeah it's like they can't find any other avenues of progression other than damage output.
Yeah it's like they can't find any other avenues of progression other than damage output.
dapperbandit
Banned
To me it does seem odd to blend a conventional Tom Clancy TPS with RPG elements.
A Legendary M60E4? What does it do, shoot magic bullets magically faster with magically more range?
It's why I can understand some confusion over the time to kill. Of course it doesn't make sense that it would take 60 swings of an axe to kill an enemy but we're used to that, in the realm of red dot sights and picatinny rails we're far more accustomed to the 3 shot kills. It makes me wonder how a "legendary" sniper rifle fares, suddenly its far less appealing if you're headshot doesn't actually kill an enemy because their HP was higher than your DPS.
Keeping an eye out but not convinced.
A Legendary M60E4? What does it do, shoot magic bullets magically faster with magically more range?
It's why I can understand some confusion over the time to kill. Of course it doesn't make sense that it would take 60 swings of an axe to kill an enemy but we're used to that, in the realm of red dot sights and picatinny rails we're far more accustomed to the 3 shot kills. It makes me wonder how a "legendary" sniper rifle fares, suddenly its far less appealing if you're headshot doesn't actually kill an enemy because their HP was higher than your DPS.
Keeping an eye out but not convinced.
viveks86
Gold Member
Yup. There will be betas for all 3 platforms
The term "bullet sponges" doesn't particularly instill a ton of hope, but I'm hoping they balance that out by the time launch rolls around.
And I'm not bothered much by the lack of PvP. I'm personally looking forward to the co-op aspect of the game more than anything, so keeping the PvP action on the lighter side sounds like good news to me.
And I'm not bothered much by the lack of PvP. I'm personally looking forward to the co-op aspect of the game more than anything, so keeping the PvP action on the lighter side sounds like good news to me.
Broadbandito
Member
TTK sounds like a TPS mixed with MMO elements. Exactly what I expected and part of the reason why I am excited.
Have to agree that it is sad that they don't make the Dark Zones more risk vs. reward areas. Being able to respawn is gonna remove a lot of the tension of going into the Dark Zone when you can just run back and kill the people that killed you.
Needs also directional VOIP. Wanna be able to negotiate with people rather than "stare vs. shoot".
And I won't lie, a little sad that the game isn't open world PVP like it seemed to be implied at the reveal of the game.
Needs also directional VOIP. Wanna be able to negotiate with people rather than "stare vs. shoot".
And I won't lie, a little sad that the game isn't open world PVP like it seemed to be implied at the reveal of the game.
It looks pretty good from what he is saying. The only slight downside, for me personally I prefer it this way, is that the game is more co-op focused than pvp focused. Also, the only pvp element, dark zones, doesn't offer enough risk for the reward, doesn't make it as intense as it could be. The devs mentioned they could add more pvp elements to the game as well, so that's good. Either way, excited for it and already have it preordered.
nvm, misread.
Yes!!!!! I don't like being forced to PvP its stupid! I hope we can choose servers in the beginning or on a character basis. I don't want to go into the dark zone and lose the shit I find. Make me fight players....whatever but don't take my shit away once I get it. Give us the option.
For everyone saying just don't go in there....it was stated the best gear was found in the dark zone..... Which would lessen the game being an RPG
I don't think it would be as stressful or time consuming as you guys think. Yes you can lose the items you loot in the dark zone, but you can also redo that dark zone for the loot again. You can redo it at a time where there are no players around. I think this game needs that sort of intensity, it fits well with the almost post-apocalyptic setting. Besides, I am sure the weapons will still be balanced in a way that dark zone loot doesn't completely overpower non-dark zone loot. The devs want people to continue playing, not abandon the game after their first dark zone loss.
unknownstranger
Member
The bullet sponges complaints in shooter-RPG's confuses me to some extent. If you've ever played an RPG, not everything dies within 10 seconds. Things like Destiny bosses taking too long to kill I get, but people need to go into these games with a different mindset than normal shooters.
Exactly. The TTK in the video appears fine to me, please don't decrease it to make it more like other shooters, Massive.
I suggest you go read pre-beta Destiny threads.
. I was one of the naysayers. Beta is when everything turned around.Zombie James
Banned
At this point I want to know how the single-player game works. I swear every demo they've ever shown for this game has been PvP.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
My only gripe with it when I played at E3 was that player controlled enemies had way to much health in my opinion. Made the PVP not very fun. Lots of people just standing shooting at each other waiting for the other to go down.
Jest Chillin
Member
I don't know that Dark Zone gear will be the best per say.. but it's certainly supposed to be the biggest gains for the mission being accomplished.
If the game has anything like instanced dungeon or raid equivalents... then that would most likely have the best loot in the game.
It's no Single Player but Online Co-Op with Player vs. Environment or Player vs. Player. Like most modern MMOs.. you can opt not to Co-Op and instead play Solo.. but I'm pretty certain it's like Destiny in that it's always online with a focus on Co-op.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Plenty to be worried about with this game, but still plenty to be interested in as well. It isn't due for 9 months, hopefully they get it all together and deliver a quality game.
I mean I guess it's fine if you're into that, but I guess I just don't feel like it belongs in a Tom Clancy game.
tokeedasmokee
Banned
All this games' potential to me was lost when he said there's no proximity chat with players outside of your squad. Why not just make it a coop game if you can't even communicate with people you run into?
Short TTK would probably ruin this game since it's so focused on cover shooting. Imagine being shot from a direction and you can't even spot where the guy is because his body is 90% behind a box.
Zombie James
Banned
They said there was single-player last year: http://www.behindgames.com/single-player-mode-confirmed-tom-clancys-division/
"Tom Clancy"
Can't blame anyone if they think this is supposed to be a game with somewhat realistic weapon handling.
Edit: Haha, of course someone's already made this point.
Lockjaw333
Member
This game looks cool, but it doesn't look like the groundbreaking, unique game it felt like it was going to be after the initial reveal. I have a feeling its going to disappoint a lot of people.
The visuals look pretty good for an X1 title, but the gameplay looks fairly mediocre.
The visuals look pretty good for an X1 title, but the gameplay looks fairly mediocre.
Hero Prinny
Member
I don't like bullet sponge enemies. 
probably was never actually a thing
What happened to the world map we saw on the earlier videos?
probably was never actually a thing
Jest Chillin
Member
Uh.. the answer in your link doesn't say that.
He says "Playing Alone" rather than "Yes there's Singleplayer." Also saying that there would be very little interruption suggests an always online situation where you can play by yourself or with friends... just like Destiny.
Yep. He and LevelCap have a tendency to hype games that don't deserve it. For him to be kind of tepid on a game has me concerned.
Exploratory
Banned
Works for Destiny.
What happened to the world map we saw on the earlier videos?
I heard its still in but is incomprehensible.
unknownstranger
Member
It has the name Tom Clancy but it's a new IP like Endwar and H.A.W.X were.
Smae here. Hyped when the game was announced, but at the moment I am not interested in playing this game.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Allow me to repeat what I said about Destiny near the end of the development:
It is INCREDIBLE suspicious that they are not talking about all these social systems that are supposedly cornerstones of tying the game together.
The examples they give are vague, and they make me think that there are little variation. Right now I am imagining something like a APB/Kane and Lynch type mix, but not with a lot of variety.
Besides the psychological element of who will betray who, I don't think this design has the legs to support a competitive scene, nor a really long term commitment.
Doing objective based multiplayer is incredible complicated, and they have created a very ambitious framework. Even if we ignore all the social systems, all the match making, trading and navigation, just the balancing and the longevity, the freshness of the pvp. I don't see it.
I simply don't see this coming out as a game people will stick with, and based on the chatter and the way they present it I am not sure it will even stand up to a mediocre 3-person shooter.
Like Destiny it tries to both be an engaging shooter and a social online world, but you risk getting neither, and end up with massive compromises. It's so difficult. I hope I am wrong. I hope they are just super secrective, but all my red flags are barking abort abort abort abort.
Look at Ghost Recon. That game is a clusterfuck of ??? but I dare bet on that game much more because its much more simple. That game, even as a sandbox open world what-the-hell is much harder to screw up than making the logistical nightmare of the division work.
What make people stick to games like Team Fortress 2 and CS:GO is not just good gameplay. It's outstanding map design, weapon balancing and a flow to the combat that allows it to not be boring to shoot one another for hundreds or even thousands of hours.
When you try to make a framework where the game has everything else it needs to do, it is going to be so much harder.
The Division won't have the scaleability or customization of a proper MMO. It wont have the world changing elements. It wont have the deep intricate single player story of AAA Shooters that are not bound by netcode and having to make things work in the confines of all these systems.
TL;DR - Doomsdays prophercies, sky is falling, hope for the best and that I am wrong, the developers of the Division are brave and deserve respect, Ghost Recon is GG