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[Dacvak]

Dude it's just another redesign. You don't have to buy every freaking version of the same system. I still have the original DS because I didn't see a point in upgrading. If some great stuff comes out on DSIWare I might get it. Still though you need to chill. You know nintendo likes to redesign their handhelds to keep them flying off the shelves at all times.

If the DSi is simply a redesign and not Nintendo's next handheld, and Nintendo shows off a NEW handheld at E3 this year, I will buy everyone in this thread a taco.

Or at least everyone who posted on the first page.

But we all know that, instead, Nintendo's going to run the DSi into the ground at least another 2 or 3 years.

 

[HUELEN10]

Flashback to E3 2004. I'm SO excited for what Nintendo has up their sleeve. We all knew the Sony Handheld was coming, and we wanted to see how Nintendo would combat it. Enter the Nintendo DS. Now, if you take a look at the PSP around 2004, the concept was phenomenal, the look of the system was incredible, and it felt like this handheld was truly from the future. It really was the new way to play portable games. As a lover for all handhelds Nintendo, this worried me a bit. I mean, I didn't want Nintendo's handheld division to suddenly dry up because of this clearly powerful competitor.

Now, when Nintendo revealed the DS, I knew exactly what they were doing. They were stalling. Seriously. If you take a look back into the 2004 business of Nintendo, they were freaking out. They had allegedly been working on the "GameBoy Evolution" for sometime, but felt it wasn't ready yet. Then they heard about Sony's PSP reveal and, given their current 3rd place position in the console wars, officially went into freak-out mode. I'll bet some serious cash-money that the Nintendo DS was designed in literally 9 months or less. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that the DS was only there to detract sales from the Sony PSP.

DS development in some way shape or form started back last century. Read the 2009 keynote to see the roots for it, including the GB Toushscreen adapter, to find out more. Also, there was NEVER a GBE, that was nothing more than a rumor, one with no base.

If you take a look at the DS's technical aspects, it's really nothing spectacular at all, and for good reason. Nintendo was in very 3rd place, and they needed to put something cheap to market so they could survive long enough until it was cost-effective to release the GameBoy Evolution. It makes sense from a business standpoint, so old technology was used for the DS, surrounded by innovative gimmicks. (Now before I get any flack for that comment, you should know that the DS is my absolute favorite handheld ever, and I've easily put more time into that than probably all of my consoles combined. Seriously, I went through, like, 5 DSes already.)

The DS has the same PPI for the screens that the GBA had (only slightly bigger screens). It used an ARM7 and ARM9 processor, which was very similar to the structure of the Nintendo 64.

The architecture is nothing like it, only the power is. It had the GBA's ARM7, if anything it was more similar in architecture to the GBA, no wonder so many initial games were GBA+ titles.

Under the hood, it was nothing special. The PSP had it CRUSHED in raw technical aspects (which is why everyone thought the PSP was going to win that battle, hands-down). The only thing the DS had going for it was a new way of playing. 2 screens, a touch screen, and a microphone. (Download play helped a lot, too.)

My point is this... It was very understandable why Nintendo went the route they did. They used the DS to stall until they were ready to release the GBE. Nintendo went as far as to say the Nintendo DS was their "third pillar," almost discounting it as a "true" Nintendo handheld immediately. They never thought this shit would take off the way it did. But for some reason, a reason I'm thoroughly grateful for, it did. And the Nintendo DS was the most popular shit ever.

Now, we fast forward 5 years, and the ALL NEW NINTENDO DSi has come out. You know why the DSi is bullshit? Because Nintendo is tricking themselves into believing it's enough. 5 years ago you could get away with releasing a handheld with nothing under the hood, the innovation more than covered for it, plus we didn't expect much more. It was OK. But now? The fuck is your excuse NOW, Nintendo? You're on top of the world, making more money than pimp Jesus, and you're sticking us with the same old shit? Here's why the DSi is the worst thing ever.

We all loved the DS, but it's time to move on. It's time to get a heavy, heavy upgrade. For example, I'd like the DS to be more media-oriented. You know, video playback and a nice web browser. How does Nintendo decide to allow this? With bigger screens. But wait a second, if you take a look at the DSi's screens, they actually contain the same number of pixels as the original DS, meaning the screen is simply enlarged. In fact, that makes it have a worse PPI than the original DS, which theoretically makes everything look worse.

1. maybe they are moreso now than before, but Nintendo has NEVER been media-oriented. Wishing for something like that is unrealistic and unnecessary.
2. It is comparable to going from a 27 inch to a 32 inch SD TV. No big deal, get over it.

Next up is the processor. Now, I've heard a few different things about the processor. I've heard that that the 67Mhz processor has been bumped up to 120Mhz. I've already heard that both processors are exactly the same. Regardless, it almost doesn't matter. First off, for all original DS games (which is what they'll continue to produce in physical retail game form) run the same on the DS as the DSi, from what I've played. So either the DSi has the same processors, or they're underclocked for stability when playing original DS software. Even if the processor is 120Mhz, which technically is an upgrade, it's still embarrassingly low (compared to the launch PSP, which was 333Mhz, and even the iPhone, which is more than that). If they thought 120Mhz would be enough, well, that's just insulting. And fuck the RAM upgrade. That's basically for the web browser and DSiWare.

Fuck you. 4X the RAM is nothing to sneeze at, though it is low in comparison. The fact that you say it is bsiaclly for the web browser and DSiWare is laughable. You really think that DSi Cards won't use the updated CPU and RAM specs? REALLY? That would be stupid. Putting a game on a DSi Card WITHOUT taking advantage of the hardware is limiting their profits for smaller, region-locked marketshare.

And how about those badass cameras? Really, Nintendo, I do like the fact that you're trying to bring another "innovation" to the DS. But have you even used/I] your own cameras? .3 Megapixels. POINT THREE. That seems worse than ANY cell phone I've ever used, ever. Did you think we just wouldn't notice, Nintendo? Did you think that when we threw these pictures onto our computer and noticed the maximum resolution was 640x480 and the pictures looked grainy and shitty that we'd just be ok with it? .3 Megapixels? Maybe that's ok if you're viewing the pictures on your shitty 320x240 screens, but for me, someone who has purchased every single Nintendo handheld you've EVER released on DAY ONE (including the GBM and new GBA SP rehashes), it's a fucking insult.

Read the Iwata asks archive on the DSi. The Cameras had a purpose that you are not intending them for.

Oh yeah, there's no more GBA slot. Whatever, that's evolution, I suppose. Still, that blows.

Now onto DSiWare. What the FUCK Nintendo? This was easily the worst aspect to me. No, not because I "hate" DSiWare, or WiiWare, or whatever... In fact it's quite the opposite. I absolutely LOVE downloadable games, content, and the Virtual Console. IN FACT, this was my most looked-forward-to aspect of the next Nintendo handheld. But up until the point when I heard the DSi had a downloadable service, I honestly thought that the DSi was nothing more than Nintendo's new "rehash" of DS that they like to do every so often. I thought, "well, it's just Nintendo being Nintendo. We'll get the real handheld next year." Looks like I'm wrong. The fact that they're launching this DSiWare online service with the DSi shows that this is truly their next big handheld. The DSi is actually Nintendo's successor to the DS. Yeah, they REALLY think it's ok with everyone.

It IS okay with "everyone", like it or not, and I am talking to everyone now, THE NINTENDO DSi IS DS2! It is a GBC-like Successor to the DS, down to the 2XCPU clockspeed and 4X RAM, this is the GBC of our time. Treat it as such, love it as such.

We're going to have the DSi easily for another 2 or 3 years before we get a truly new handheld. And considering the best thing about my gaming life has been Nintendo handhelds, and the Nintendo DS was easily my favorite, the DSi is the worst thing Nintendo has ever done to me. Not only did they release another handheld with old-ass technology, but they've insulted me with cheap upgrades, and assumed it would be ok if they gave me a gaming download service which, in actuality, only extends the life of this utterly disrespectful handheld.


Perhaps I'm venting, perhaps I'm just looking for someone to agree, but it's really been eating away at me for a while and I needed to say it.

You really think the platform can dramatically change any at this point? The jump from GBA to DS was HUGE and it will be years before we see that again. I think you are being extremely unrealistic with your expectations. It happened once before and everyone was fine with it, why is it different for you this time? I hope that sooner rather than later, DSi Cards that truly interest you come out, and they will. It is only a matter of time...


The fact that you don't even own one and make this thread. WTF man....

WHAT
THE
FUCK


I BID YOU DECENT DAY

 

[Brofist]

Sorry dude, the DS is probably my favorite system ever.

Granted the OP is a cry baby, but we can tell you really read this topic :lol

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

I fully expect huge backfire on this one. You don't make a giant post like this and not expect that.

But seriously, it's not about buying it or not buying it. It's about how Nintendo's probably going to push the DSi for another 2 or 3 years, and because of this shitty decision to betray their hardcore audience, we're not going to get a REAL DS2 for a very, very long time.

I respect everyone else's opinion. But seriously, if you don't agree, then you just don't get it.

Spoiler

Or you don't care much about Nintendo handheld gaming.

You've figured it out. The DSi was nothing more than an elaborate plan for Nintendo to fuck over the hardcore fans! Are you seriously arguing that Nintendo is somehow screwing fans over their audience by pledging longterm support for the DS? As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo sticking with the DS is beneficial to the fans. It's certainly not like there's a shortage of awesome DS games on the horizon. Consumers are still happy with the DS, publishers are still happy with the DS, developers are still happy with the DS. Nintendo would be fucking them all over if they chose to abandon a platform while it was still viable. Who, exactly, would benefit from Nintendo killing off the DS?

 

[Iam Canadian]

The longer the DS lasts, the happier I'll be. The DS is one of the last basions of quality 2D, classic-style gaming, which interacts perfectly with the two screens and touch screen mechanics. Owning a DS is almost like being in the sixteen-bit era all over again and it's one of the only bright spots in a generation I otherwise find rather bleak and uninteresting.

So I fear a successor to the DS that significantly increases the system's horsepower. I like my 2D gameplay and sprites, don't take them away from me. D:

 

[VOOK]

VOOK
We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.

How is this related :lol Plus I didn't wait for the Aussie DSi release date I bought one from Japan. (All $480AU for it). (I did get an Aussie DSi eventually though, but I Nintendo sent it to me).

 

[Deleted member 30609]

DS development in some way shape or form started back last century. Read the 2009 keynote to see the roots for it, including the GB Toushscreen adapter, to find out more. Also, there was NEVER a GBE, that was nothing more than a rumor, one with no base.

The architecture is nothing like it, only the power is. It had the GBA's ARM7, if anything it was more similar in architecture to the GBA, no wonder so many initial games were GBA+ titles.

1. maybe they are moreso now than before, but Nintendo has NEVER been media-oriented. Wishing for something like that is unrealistic and unnecessary.
2. It is comparable to going from a 27 inch to a 32 inch SD TV. No big deal, get over it.
Fuck you. 4X the RAM is nothing to sneeze at, though it is low in comparison. The fact that you say it is bsiaclly for the web browser and DSiWare is laughable. You really think that DSi Cards won't use the updated CPU and RAM specs? REALLY? That would be stupid. Putting a game on a DSi Card WITHOUT taking advantage of the hardware is limiting their profits for smaller, region-locked marketshare.

Read the Iwata asks archive on the DSi. The Cameras had a purpose that you are not intending them for.

It IS okay with "everyone", like it or not, and I am talking to everyone now, THE NINTENDO DSi IS DS2! It is a GBC-like Successor to the DS, down to the 2XCPU clockspeed and 4X RAM, this is the GBC of our time. Treat it as such, love it as such.
We're going to have the DSi easily for another 2 or 3 years before we get a truly new handheld. And considering the best thing about my gaming life has been Nintendo handhelds, and the Nintendo DS was easily my favorite, the DSi is the worst thing Nintendo has ever done to me. Not only did they release another handheld with old-ass technology, but they've insulted me with cheap upgrades, and assumed it would be ok if they gave me a gaming download service which, in actuality, only extends the life of this utterly disrespectful handheld.


Perhaps I'm venting, perhaps I'm just looking for someone to agree, but it's really been eating away at me for a while and I needed to say it.
You really think the platform can dramatically change any at this point? The jump from GBA to DS was HUGE and it will be years before we see that again. I think you are being extremely unrealistic with your expectations. It happened once before and everyone was fine with it, why is it different for you this time? I hope that sooner rather than later, DSi Cards that truly interest you come out, and they will. It is only a matter of time...


The fact that you don't even own one and make this thread. WTF man....

WHAT
THE
FUCK


I BID YOU DECENT DAY

and you were so close to pulling off a successful mega quote, too. Better luck next time. =p

 

[linsivvi]

Well, I mean, like I said before, it's understandable to not do it, especially if you're not in a good financial state... But look at Nintendo... They've got more money than the Lord of Bacon. They can afford to release a new, REAL successor to the DS.

It's not whether they can afford it, but whether we can afford it, or whether developers can afford it. It just doesn't make sense for anyone except tech heads.

 

[Kard8p3]

The longer the DS lasts, the happier I'll be. The DS is one of the last basions of quality 2D, classic-style gaming, which interacts perfectly with the two screens and touch screen mechanics. Owning a DS is almost like being in the sixteen-bit era all over again and it's one of the only bright spots in a generation I otherwise find rather bleak and uninteresting.

So I fear a successor to the DS that significantly increases the system's horsepower. I like my 2D gameplay and sprites, don't take them away from me. D:

Yeah I agree. Though I like this gen all around I love the DS because it shows 2D still has a place. Now nintendo just needs to give us a new power suited 2D sprite.

 

[Dacvak]

The longer the DS lasts, the happier I'll be. The DS is one of the last basions of quality 2D, classic-style gaming, which interacts perfectly with the two screens and touch screen mechanics. Owning a DS is almost like being in the sixteen-bit era all over again and it's one of the only bright spots in a generation I otherwise find rather bleak and uninteresting.

So I fear a successor to the DS that significantly increases the system's horsepower. I like my 2D gameplay and sprites, don't take them away from me. D:

That's literally the only reason why I'm glad it's still around with no major improvements, but the fact is that most developers are shifting to 3D gaming on the DS, which just ends up looking balls-ugly.

If the DS continually put out games like Ketsui and Band Bros DX, I'd be happy for the rest of my life.

Spoiler

I'll admit that my original post was overly dramatic and overexplained, but it was fun for me. =) Plus, if it was just "hey, lol, I don't like the DSi" (which is really all it amounted to), that wouldn't have sparked any discussion at all. If anything, this thread was worth it for that kid/football gif.

:lol

 

[AniHawk]

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't buy the DSi and my life's great.

 

[HUELEN10]

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't buy the DSi and my life's great.

It will be too, that is until an exclusive you like comes out.

 

[Pureauthor]

We all loved the DS, but it's time to move on.

No. No it isn't. The longer system generations last, the better, not the other way around.

 

[HUELEN10]

No. No it isn't. The longer system generations last, the better, not the other way around.

THIS

 

[wazoo]

Funny thread.

The Ds is the best console ever because it helps small devs to put innovative games without too much financial pressure. Increase the hardware specs, then it will increase the budget, the marketing pressure, and so on, and by the way the "bigger DS" exists, it is the PSP and it is a failure in terms of software sales.

 

[Dacvak]

No. No it isn't. The longer system generations last, the better, not the other way around.

In a perfect world, developers would continue to make 2D games on the DS. Unfortunately, most devs are moving to 3D on the DS, which ends up looking like ass for the most part.

I dream of the day when I can play a fantastic looking FPS on the DS with touch controls and then pop in a beautiful Dreamcast-like 2D shooter.

Really, my main gripe with the DSi is the shitty PPI and lack of technical jump.

Edit: Wazoo, so true, and that's the reason why the DS is my favorite handheld. (Probably my favorite system, period.)

Lol, maybe it's time for Nintendo to make a 4th pillar. :lol

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Well, I mean, like I said before, it's understandable to not do it, especially if you're not in a good financial state... But look at Nintendo... They've got more money than the Lord of Bacon. They can afford to release a new, REAL successor to the DS.

Look.

The video game industry has changed. It is not an arms race anymore. You don't just keep rushing out new hardware simply because it's that time of the generation where everyone just decides it's time to move on. I know it hurts, because "that's not the way we did it in my day!", but it's the way things are now. For everyone.

Sony would probably release a PSP2 if they wanted, with better than PS2 graphics and improved everything. Instead, they're relaunching the PSP, because the PSP is doing pretty darn well for itself, anyway. Nintendo probably could make a true DS successor, but the system still has more coal left to shovel in the engine.

Generations are lasting longer now, at least for handhelds. It's a good thing.

 

[HUELEN10]

my main gripe with the DSi is the shitty PPI and lack of technical jump.

The PPI isn't shitty, it is just a bit lower. You don't even own a DSi. 3d and 2d look great. Play SM64 DS on it, or Sonic Rush Adventure.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I think he's true. But I doubt that Nintendo would care to put money into a new handheld with comparable power (to the PSP or iPhone) when the "old" hardware is still selling like crazy. It's basically the same with the Wii.

 

[CiSTM]

Still playing with DS lite and I certainly hope there won't be DS2 or some shit in the near future. I have around 50 DS games on my to buy list and if DS2 comes around I will be totally broke DSi is a cool device but I don't need it yet. When the first DSi only games starts showing up then I will buy my very own DSi. 7 to 8 year life span is perfect for a console imo. I hope Nintendo won't launch next handheld machine untill year 2011/2012.

 

[Rewrite]

If the DSi is simply a redesign and not Nintendo's next handheld, and Nintendo shows off a NEW handheld at E3 this year, I will buy everyone in this thread a taco.

Oh shit, there's a possibility I can get a free taco out of this thread? I'm in!

 

[ElyrionX]

Sorry, the worst thing Nintendo ever did to anyone was to release the original GBA with a fucking screen that nobody has any use for.

That piece of shit hardware was unusable right from day one. It's ridiculous, really, how gamers let them get away with it and even happily lapped up the subsequent revision that should have been released the first day the GBA was released.

 

[Dacvak]

Look.
It's a good thing.

You know, it really is, and I'm really glad the DS lasted this long. Seriously. Most people here are missing the point of why I hate the DSi. It's not because it's not enough of an upgrade, it's because it is an upgrade, but a shitty one. It feels like Nintendo's trying to pull a fast one on us. "Bigger screens, better CPU, etc." When really, the things that are upgraded really only alienate people who are sticking with their DS.

The reason I'm upset is because the DSi is not a rehash. It will eventually have exclusives and people will eventually need to upgrade. I wish Nintendo hadn't released anything. If they had simply made a redesign of the DS, I'd be ok with that and I'd probably buy the shit out of it. I LOVE my DS. The problem is, Nintendo's truly trying to pass this off as a successor, and it's clearly the same system with only minor tweaks that will ultimately separate the people who own a DS and the people who own a DSi.

 

[rainking187]

Eh I agree that the DSi is a pretty bad idea.
"Hey, we're gonna release a new DS with a camera you don't really care about and remove the GBA slot even though you probably still play GBA games, and companies are still putting out games like Guitar Hero that need the slot."
Oh, well I guess I'll stick with my old DS.
"Oh, and we're going to be putting out DSi exclusive games so you don't really have a fucking choice if you want to keep playing games."

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You know, it really is, and I'm really glad the DS lasted this long. Seriously. Most people here are missing the point of why I hate the DSi. It's not because it's not enough of an upgrade, it's because it is an upgrade, but a shitty one. It feels like Nintendo's trying to pull a fast one on us. "Bigger screens, better CPU, etc." When really, the things that are upgraded really only alienate people who are sticking with their DS.

The reason I'm upset is because the DSi is not a rehash. It will eventually have exclusives and people will eventually need to upgrade. I wish Nintendo hadn't released anything. If they had simply made a redesign of the DS, I'd be ok with that and I'd probably buy the shit out of it. I LOVE my DS. The problem is, Nintendo's truly trying to pass this off as a successor, and it's clearly the same system with only minor tweaks that will ultimately separate the people who own a DS and the people who own a DSi.

Give me a date on "eventually" for when the DSi carts come and depending on when it is, I might be just as pissed off as you.

I don't mind paying for a minimal upgrade somewhere down the line. I bought a Wii. As long as the games keep being good quality (and I don't mind the blocky lego characters), then I'm in it for the long haul.

 

[Aeana]

It IS okay with "everyone", like it or not, and I am talking to everyone now, THE NINTENDO DSi IS DS2! It is a GBC-like Successor to the DS, down to the 2XCPU clockspeed and 4X RAM, this is the GBC of our time. Treat it as such, love it as such.

The GBC had an obvious improvement: color. Nintendo isn't even advertising the upgraded specs of the DSi -- I believe the only reason we know about them is because of a hacker. They're advertising the DSiWare aspect, the cameras, and the music playing capabilities, and these are the reasons why people are buying it. Similarly, people who aren't interested in these things have decided not to buy it because of that. I think consumers will be really confused if/when there ever comes a time when there are DSi-exclusive games that don't use the cameras. I know I personally disagree with the way Nintendo is going about this. If they really want to make it the DS's successor, they need to say so, and go all the way.

 

[TheHeretic]

Look.

The video game industry has changed. It is not an arms race anymore. You don't just keep rushing out new hardware simply because it's that time of the generation where everyone just decides it's time to move on. I know it hurts, because "that's not the way we did it in my day!", but it's the way things are now. For everyone.

Sony would probably release a PSP2 if they wanted, with better than PS2 graphics and improved everything. Instead, they're relaunching the PSP, because the PSP is doing pretty darn well for itself, anyway. Nintendo probably could make a true DS successor, but the system still has more coal left to shovel in the engine.

Generations are lasting longer now, at least for handhelds. It's a good thing.

For broke console gamers maybe.

Glorious PC gamers get new hardware every other month.

 

[Dacvak]

Maybe I've gotten too greedy over the years, but I really wanted the next DS to "wow" me in terms of innovation. At the very least, I wanted better visuals (preferably in resolution and PPI instead of overall graphical performance). But the DSi's big "wow" factor is the cameras, which are awful, even for gaming.

One thing I love about the DSi are the buttons, though. They feel fantastic.

 

[mrkgoo]

The longer the DS lasts, the happier I'll be. The DS is one of the last basions of quality 2D, classic-style gaming, which interacts perfectly with the two screens and touch screen mechanics. Owning a DS is almost like being in the sixteen-bit era all over again and it's one of the only bright spots in a generation I otherwise find rather bleak and uninteresting.

So I fear a successor to the DS that significantly increases the system's horsepower. I like my 2D gameplay and sprites, don't take them away from me. D:

This. Sort of.

The iPhone will launch 16-bit era all over again .

Anyway Dacvak:

Look, i have a PSP and a DS. And every iteration of the Gameboy prior to that. I have TWO games for the PSP, and dozens for DS. Why? Because I don't care for simply scaled down PS2 games. My point isn't PSP vs DS, but that the DS is all we need for now. I just don't see why Nintendo HAS to release a new handheld because they are rich. Is that how it works? Should companies simply release stuff because they can? It's a hardware platform - to play software. Until that software starts becoming limited due to the hardware, then it's the right time.

I can't wait until the home consoles themselves reach a certain plateau in hardware so we don't have to keep upgrading just to play recent games. I'd prefer longer cycles for the hardware, frankly.

And I must be the only one here, but I think the DSi has a bunch of significant additions. Brighter, slightly larger screens are just a small part of it. Better sound, controls, two cameras, onboard storage, DSiware (c'mon, you can't be complaining about it 3 weeks in), external storage, media capabilities (who says someone can't release a movie player as an app?), and so on. (Personally, I have better media players, so the abilities in both the DS and the PSP - even the home consoles - are all superfluous).

But back to the games. I love the 16-bit era of gaming, and the DS is nearly the perfect iteration of that. I found myself hunting for a GBA micro today even. Sure, a part of me wants to play super high-res pixeljunk monsters-style presentation - but I guess that's why I have a PSP too.

I'm not blindly defending the DSi. AM I not allowed to like it? Or do I just not get it?

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Not only are you wrong you come off as a melodramatic douchebag in the process.
Bravo.

Besides the Virtual Boy is still the worst thing Nintendo has ever done to anyone.

 

[mrkgoo]

You know, it really is, and I'm really glad the DS lasted this long. Seriously. Most people here are missing the point of why I hate the DSi. It's not because it's not enough of an upgrade, it's because it is an upgrade, but a shitty one. It feels like Nintendo's trying to pull a fast one on us. "Bigger screens, better CPU, etc." When really, the things that are upgraded really only alienate people who are sticking with their DS.

The reason I'm upset is because the DSi is not a rehash. It will eventually have exclusives and people will eventually need to upgrade. I wish Nintendo hadn't released anything. If they had simply made a redesign of the DS, I'd be ok with that and I'd probably buy the shit out of it. I LOVE my DS. The problem is, Nintendo's truly trying to pass this off as a successor, and it's clearly the same system with only minor tweaks that will ultimately separate the people who own a DS and the people who own a DSi.

I guess you're right. I don't get it. You sound really contradictory here. What exactly do you want? A huge upgrade? A small redsign? Nothing? You've covered everything.

 

[Dacvak]

I found myself hunting for a GBA micro today even.

I just bought one the other day (after my other two were stolen last year). It's soooooo good.

You know what it is for me? Every other Nintendo handheld has had some huge jump that they can latch on to. The GameBoy to GBC... Fucking COLOR. HOLY SHIT. And you can play your old games in color, too? And the battery life is good? Jesus Lord. That was a BIG deal to me as a kid.

Then GBC to GBA. WOW. The L and R buttons were a much needed addition, and the overall horsepower of the GBA was so much better than the GBC. We got a nice, big wide screen, too. It was awesome.

Then GBA to DS. What a fucking jump THAT was. Even though the DS was supposed to be a "third pillar" unrelated to the GBA, it ended up being the successor. Quite the amazing jump.

But the DS to DSi? Where's the wow factor? Cameras? Downloadable games? :< :<


Here's all I want to know... Is the DSi simply a DS redesign, or is it really Nintendo's next handheld? If it's a redesign, cool. That's totally fine by me. If it's truly the successor, well, that sucks for everyone.

 

[SamBishop]

You've made this thread worth it for me.

Well, you and this:

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Whoooooaaaaaaa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. How is this a .jpg? I laughed my ass off and then mid-laugh I saw flarkminator's quote and it broke my mind.

 

[HUELEN10]

The GBC had an obvious improvement: color. Nintendo isn't even advertising the upgraded specs of the DSi -- I believe the only reason we know about them is because of a hacker. They're advertising the DSiWare aspect, the cameras, and the music playing capabilities, and these are the reasons why people are buying it. Similarly, people who aren't interested in these things have decided not to buy it because of that. I think consumers will be really confused if/when there ever comes a time when there are DSi-exclusive games that don't use the cameras. I know I personally disagree with the way Nintendo is going about this. If they really want to make it the DS's successor, they need to say so, and go all the way.

They need to say whatever makes them the most money. It is the successor, but saying so could hurt sales, at least that is what I think.

Also, color is a gimmick. It is awesome, but like cameras, it is a gimmick.

 

[Dacvak]

Whoooooaaaaaaa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. How is this a .jpg?

Yeah, wtf?

 

[Aeana]

They need to say whatever makes them the most money. It is the successor, but saying so could hurt sales, at least that is what I think.

Also, color is a gimmick. It is awesome, but like cameras, it is a gimmick.

It doesn't matter. It's an obvious improvement. Color is better than black and white. People immediately see a reason why it's better. This is not so with the DSi. For gaming purposes, the superiority of the DSi is not apparent, and Nintendo isn't doing anything to demonstrate it.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Right click/properties says it's a gif. Dude probably just renamed it to jpg for whatever reason.

It doesn't matter. It's an obvious improvement. Color is better than black and white.

Says you maybe. I'd be all for a system that played nothing but black & white games(not that swamp-piss game boy b&w though).

Anyway once Nintendo for whatever reason decides to make the next Zelda, Mario, or Metroid(lolz) DSi exclusive then I think the flip-shitting would be justified(which would take serious gusto in the first place since third parties would not be interested in decimating the userbase).

 

[Jak140]

God that was so fucking retarded I think some of the retard rubbed off on me.

 

[Dacvak]

Right click/properties says it's a gif. Dude probably just renamed it to jpg for whatever reason.

Yeah, but the weird thing is, when I save it, it saves as jpg and remains animated. If I then rename it to gif, it becomes a still image of the first frame. The shit?

 

[Kitschkraft]

Things suck?

 

[AniHawk]

It will be too, that is until an exclusive you like comes out.

If I won't buy a $170 PSP, I'm not buying a $170 DS.

 

[BooJoh]

I consider myself a pretty avid fan of Nintendo handhelds. I've been playing them since the old GB/Game & Watch, I've made websites devoted to them, I prioritize handheld purchases over console purchases, etc.

Trust me, this is really nothing new for Nintendo. GB had Play it Loud GB (colored shells) then GB Pocket, then GB Light, and none of those added anything new really. GB Color stood mostly on its own, but did force people to upgrade eventually. GBA had GBA SP, SP+, and GBm. Now DS has DS Lite and DSi.

Sure, you might eventually have to upgrade to play DSi-exclusive games, but by then there will probably be a nice library of DSiWare up and the system will be looking nicer anyway. As for the camera, I don't care that it's low res, I think of it more as a spiritual successor to the GB Camera.

I seriously don't think we're ready to get a huge Nintendo handheld upgrade yet. It would cost way more and if it was the "GameBoy Evolution" it would probably not perform well since DS would continue filling its own niche and the "GBE" would be directly competing with the PSP. Personally I'm not counting on the prospect of seeing another "GameBoy" in the foreseeable future.

*shrug* if you think this is such a horrible tragedy, you must not be as familiar with Nintendo handhelds as you think.

 

[HUELEN10]

God that was so fucking retarded I think some of the retard rubbed off on me.

QUICK, WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF OHIO?
WHAT IS 2+2?

 

[Dacvak]

Man, it's already 5 am. I guess I'm going to sleep. This was fun.

 

[mrkgoo]

I just bought one the other day (after my other two were stolen last year). It's soooooo good.

You know what it is for me? Every other Nintendo handheld has had some huge jump that they can latch on to. The GameBoy to GBC... Fucking COLOR. HOLY SHIT. And you can play your old games in color, too? And the battery life is good? Jesus Lord. That was a BIG deal to me as a kid.

Then GBC to GBA. WOW. The L and R buttons were a much needed addition, and the overall horsepower of the GBA was so much better than the GBC. We got a nice, big wide screen, too. It was awesome.

Then GBA to DS. What a fucking jump THAT was. Even though the DS was supposed to be a "third pillar" unrelated to the GBA, it ended up being the successor. Quite the amazing jump.

But the DS to DSi? Where's the wow factor? Cameras? Downloadable games? :< :<


Here's all I want to know... Is the DSi simply a DS redesign, or is it really Nintendo's next handheld? If it's a redesign, cool. That's totally fine by me. If it's truly the successor, well, that sucks for everyone.

The jump to colour is an interesting analogy. On the one hand it did seem like something worth getting excited over - but really it was only cosmetic. And the colours were crap. I'd argue adding a light was by far a better improvement. On the other hand, it's a very apt comparison, because the GBC paved the way for future "GBC-only" games, just as the DSi will probably do as well.

Downloadable games are a HUGE addition. Maybe you don't have an iPhone or iPod touch, but the appstore for that DEFINES the platform. Still, I doubt Nintendo will be able to handle it as well as Apple. They need to keep it very open (but regulated), and allow more than just games - they need to allow all sorts of just 'apps'.

And the cameras are very neat toys. I can't tell you how much I loved the GB camera. I had two of them, and I had the printer.

Besides, as far as updates go - I'm still waiting for my Perfect Dark 64 port. Maybe this time, they can add the facemapping back in. :O

 

[HUELEN10]

This was fun.

You'd like that wouldn't you...

Be forewarned. When you come back, things are gonna be a bit different around here.

 

[RpgN]

One that was such a stupid decision, they removed the GBA slot. If that wasn't the case, jumping from the phat version to the DSi would have been worth it. I mean, WTF?! The GBs and DS were known for being BC, why did you freaking remove it?

 

[mrkgoo]

Right click/properties says it's a gif. Dude probably just renamed it to jpg for whatever reason.



Says you maybe. I'd be all for a system that played nothing but black & white games(not that swamp-piss game boy b&w though).

Anyway once Nintendo for whatever reason decides to make the next Zelda, Mario, or Metroid(lolz) DSi exclusive then I think the flip-shitting would be justified(which would take serious gusto in the first place since third parties would not be interested in decimating the userbase).

I think the point is how does the DSi add to games that the DS cannot do? Well, I'm not sure how much better teh processor is, but I can think of some cool things to do with the camera gameplaywise O pokemon snap!). Of course they're all gimmicks.

What I would've wanted from a real successor is multitouch.

 

[Dacvak]

The jump to colour is an interesting analogy. On the one hand it did seem like something worth getting excited over - but really it was only cosmetic. And the colours were crap. I'd argue adding a light was by far a better improvement. On the other hand, it's a very apt comparison, because the GBC paved the way for future "GBC-only" games, just as the DSi will probably do as well.

Downloadable games are a HUGE addition. Maybe you don't have an iPhone or iPod touch, but the appstore for that DEFINES the platform. Still, I doubt Nintendo will be able to handle it as well as Apple. They need to keep it very open (but regulated), and allow more than just games - they need to allow all sorts of just 'apps'.

And the cameras are very neat toys. I can't tell you how much I loved the GB camera. I had two of them, and I had the printer.

Besides, as far as updates go - I'm still waiting for my Perfect Dark 64 port. Maybe this time, they can add the facemapping back in. :O

I have and love my iPhone. Seriously, if Nintendo handled their online structure like that, it would be AMAZING.

And to be fair, after reading BooJoh's post, I'm seriously looking at it from a new perspective. First off, I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people defending the DSi. Clearly I was being overdramatic in the OP for fun (but that kind of humor is typically lost online, especially on message boards). We'll just have to see how the DSi plays out. Obviously I'm going to eventually get one, because there's going to be something on DSiWare that I'll need.

It would so be the shit if devs like Capcom ended up making new 8- and 16-bit platformers on the DSi. That would be perfect.

 

[Dreavus]

You seem to be taking the existence of the DSi as some sort of personal insult, which while not beyond what others have done on this forum, makes no fucking sense. You don't even own one for god's sake.