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The end of your AA woes! MLAA coming to AMD drivers
- Thread starter brain_stew
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Stallion Free
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ATI hasn't bothered to match their Ambient Occlusion that can be forced in certain engines, sometimes to fabulous effect (Half-Life 2), so I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia didn't do anything here, unfortunately.kittoo said:
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Stallion Free said:
Yeah but I feel that most of the people should see MLAA as a bigger deal than Ambient Occlusion, at least as of now. In my personal opinion, AA is more important to looks of a game than AO. And when its coming with much less of a performance hit, works (quite a few times) even in those games where every other method fails, then it is quite a big deal. While AO does improve looks dramatically sometimes (as in HL2, like you said), I will take good AA over AO if only one was to be chosen. So I hope that Nvidia will do something about it, but you might very well be correct.
Also, doesnt AO, when forced, work in very few games as of now? And that too with a massive performance hit most of the times?
Backfoggen
Banned
At least Nvidia implemented AO so that it didn't affect the HUD. Maybe their MLAA implementation will work the same way if there's going to be one?
Metalmurphy
Member
Backfoggen said:
One thing is not like the other :/
Melhisedek
Member
Will installing hotfix enable MLAA on 5850?
10.10d is out. Holy shit AMD, four hotfixes in the span of a month. That is nuts! The good news is that MLAA now seems to work under Directx10/11.
Metalmurphy
Member
JADS said:
Omg, there's hope for us 48xx users after all. Does it work right off the bat or do I still need to apply some of those hacks?
brain_stew
Member
dark10x said:
There's another driver hack but with RadeonPro you shouldn't need to bother with any of that. Just create profiles per application and enable MLAA in the games where you want it used.
brain_stew
Member
Metalmurphy said:
How exactly do you figure that? They're just fixing a feature that was supposed to be part of the driver release all along. They're not adding official support for any older cards, yet at least. Nothing's changed in this regard.
Metalmurphy
Member
brain_stew said:
Cause JADS said it now works on DX10 cards as opposed to DX11 cards only.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
I think he meant that D10/11 games can now use it. Before it only worked in games that used DX9.Metalmurphy said:
Metalmurphy
Member
Oh...
Rats :/
Rats :/
brain_stew
Member
Metalmurphy said:
He never said that. Read it again.
Metalmurphy
Member
brain_stew said:
seems to work under Directx10/11 hardware.
seems to work under Directx10/11 games.
It could have been interpreted either way so no need to get all bitchy.
Wolf Akela
Member
It really looks as if Gaussian blur was just applied. :/
Dead Prince
Banned
lol. it applied itself to Windows Live messenger.
mikespit1200
Member
Sweet, so in order to enable MLAA on my 5770 just grab the latest drivers (from steam?) and install RadeonPro?
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I am kinda jealous of AMD users now.:lol
Even though it might not work in quite a few games, I would love to have it and then experiment. Experimenting like this with games is a joy itself of PC gaming, IMHO. To change some setting, and then to try and see the results if they are not obvious...its interesting. Or if the setting work perfectly, the joy of seeing it work and the game look even better.....miss these when I play on PS3.
Even though it might not work in quite a few games, I would love to have it and then experiment. Experimenting like this with games is a joy itself of PC gaming, IMHO. To change some setting, and then to try and see the results if they are not obvious...its interesting. Or if the setting work perfectly, the joy of seeing it work and the game look even better.....miss these when I play on PS3.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
:lol That's awesome. I like how it even applies to the Fraps fps counter too. Nothing can escape it.DMPrince said:
Metalmurphy said:
Sorry for getting your hopes up. I should have been a bit more clear on my wording. I meant to say that it seems to be working in Directx 10 and 11 games. Its a bit of a hit and miss in those games though. Bioshock 1 and 2 in DX10 mode look pretty great without a large performance hit. Shattered Horizon on the other hand looks like crap, with a large performance hit of around 30 frames.
mikespit1200 said:
Grab the drivers I posted earlier and then install RadeonPro. RadeonPro is pretty much an essential tool for all AMD/ATI users these days. At least if you play a lot of games that don't support AA through the ingame menu like Darksiders, most UT3 based games and STALKER SoC.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If a game doesn't support AA you would just have a very well lit jaggy mess. UT3 looked worse than UT2k4 to me until they patched in AA through the drivers.Kittonwy said:
anonymousAversa
Member
fyi, I wasn't sure what the differences were, so in case anyone is interested:
Ambient occlusion is a lighting technique that is commonly used to create soft shadows on objects. Ambient occlusion isnt used to create the type of shadows that are cast from objects with a light shining directly on them. Instead, ambient occlusion generates the type of deep shadows that appear in the corners or creases of things, where it is hard for the light to reach.
Technically speaking, ambient occlusion is a global illumination technique. However, in common usage of the term it is often referred to as a cheap alternative to global illumination. To clear up any confusion, what most renderers refer to as global illumination is actually an amalgamation of several techniques such as radiosity, metropolis light transport, image-based lighting or photon mapping. The actual techniques used differ slightly from renderer to renderer. Some renderers include an ambient occlusion term as part of their global illumination calculation; others do not.
Like most global illumination techniques, ambient occlusion is dependent on the other geometry in the scene. Ambient occlusion on its own generates less realistic lighting than full global illumination. However, ambient occlusion is much faster and less complex to calculate than other methods which is why it is still popular among game developers and in production animation. Full Source
Ambient occlusion is a lighting technique that is commonly used to create soft shadows on objects. Ambient occlusion isnt used to create the type of shadows that are cast from objects with a light shining directly on them. Instead, ambient occlusion generates the type of deep shadows that appear in the corners or creases of things, where it is hard for the light to reach.
Technically speaking, ambient occlusion is a global illumination technique. However, in common usage of the term it is often referred to as a cheap alternative to global illumination. To clear up any confusion, what most renderers refer to as global illumination is actually an amalgamation of several techniques such as radiosity, metropolis light transport, image-based lighting or photon mapping. The actual techniques used differ slightly from renderer to renderer. Some renderers include an ambient occlusion term as part of their global illumination calculation; others do not.
Like most global illumination techniques, ambient occlusion is dependent on the other geometry in the scene. Ambient occlusion on its own generates less realistic lighting than full global illumination. However, ambient occlusion is much faster and less complex to calculate than other methods which is why it is still popular among game developers and in production animation. Full Source
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Here's the thing, 98% of games on PC can have real AA implemented in some form already, this more or less fixes Halo PC, Splinter Cell 1/2 and a handful of other games that were immune to all previous methods of AA.
AO on the other hand, it's neat, but it's in no way necessary and sometimes look bad.
Neither effect is worth upgrading a videocard/switching brands for.
AO on the other hand, it's neat, but it's in no way necessary and sometimes look bad.
Neither effect is worth upgrading a videocard/switching brands for.
Zombie James
Banned
I asked this before, but, can anyone post a comparison with Borderlands? It's supposedly one of those "immune" games that don't work with AA (unless you turn off the cell shading).
Dead Prince
Banned
how would i disable Live messenger from being applied MLAA to it?
Sorry 4xxx users.
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid33970294
Anyone get the hack to work with these on 5xxx yet?
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid33970294
Anyone get the hack to work with these on 5xxx yet?
Of course, I probably shouldn't have bought that card, but still.Zombie James
Banned
My 4770 launched only a year and a half ago >:[
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
AMD has released 10.10d hotfix, supposedly resolving the issue that MLAA is not getting applied to some games. Anyone checked out which games are now supporting MLAA, out of those which previously didnt?
Download link-
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/203...hotfixes/catalyst_10.10d_hotfix_win7_nov1.exe
Download link-
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/203...hotfixes/catalyst_10.10d_hotfix_win7_nov1.exe
James1o1o@twitter said:
Catalystmaker@twitter said:
Seems that it's officially coming to 5xxx series later on, 4xxx users are out of luck
kittoo said:
All DX10 and DX11 games and applications seem to work with MLAA now. Including mediaplayer, MSN and Photo Viewer. Thank god for radeonpro profiles :lol
toastyToast
Member
A bit late to the party but I grabbed Dead Space during Steam Halloween sale and I remembered this thread so here are a couple more screenshots
edit: Forgot the comparison pics
Without MLAA
With MLAA
Without MLAA
With MLAA
I haven't noticed any affect on the hud so far. It works great.
Also, RadeonPro was updated to allow MLAA for specific game profiles a few days ago. Here's the link http://www.radeonpro.info/Download/RadeonPro_RC1.exe
edit: Forgot the comparison pics
Without MLAA
With MLAA
Without MLAA
With MLAA
I haven't noticed any affect on the hud so far. It works great.
Also, RadeonPro was updated to allow MLAA for specific game profiles a few days ago. Here's the link http://www.radeonpro.info/Download/RadeonPro_RC1.exe
I was referring to the 10.10d drivers exclusively.. I have been using the MLAA hack on the 10.10s from the beginning. And no, it doesn't work with Radeon Pro on the 10.10d's btw (5xxx series). Going by yesterdays news, and that might have changed over night.subversus said:
EDIT: nm, seems they did fix it with RadeonPro. Will try some DX10/11 games for you guys.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Did 10.10d help with the MLAA performance hit in some games?