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[RedSwirl]

Because it's what people want? A better-looking version of the classic they can more easily introduce to a new and younger audience?
I'm not saying it has to be 1-1, but a rehash/remake of FF7 wouldn't need much in the way of tweaks (I do think I'm being realistic, I know it's an investment but it's a SMART investment).
I mean, as far as I can tell the handheld remakes of 3 & 4 were mostly the same with a few tweaks here and there and changes to the graphic style. In that vein, FF7 wouldn't have to go any further.

Those are handheld remakes. The problem is that no one makes JRPGs the way they were back then on consoles anymore. The closest thing you have is Ni No Kuni. I think that's the only current gen console JRPG that even has a conventional world map (I could be wrong). Would you even want to see current gen models of the chibi characters?

I could maybe see that style of remake being done for the Vita, but a console remake would have to be an entirely new game. The only things they could retain are possibly the map layouts, and the story outline.

The same goes for horror games. an RE2 remake would probably have to have RE6's controls and camera, and at that point you're designing a whole new game with the same story. In both cases it would really be more of a retelling of the old game than anything else.

I just think a lot of people are saying "I want an FFVII remake" without actually thinking about what that means.

 

[b3b0p]

All games from PSOne with Final Fantasy or Chrono in the title is money in Squeenix's pocket. They re-make, redo, or do whatever to give those games current gen assets will net them a mother fucking load of cash, considering the gaming market now that possibly don't have access to these games due to the costs, ease of finding, not to mention the current / old fan base they built up over the years.

They have to know this. If they don't, they have the thickest, dumbest CxO's running that joint.

 

[Gouty]

They can't be too bright, they pushed FF14 out the door years before it was ready just to hit some short sighted quarterly goals, damaging their golden goose in the process.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Because it's what people want? A better-looking version of the classic they can more easily introduce to a new and younger audience?
I'm not saying it has to be 1-1, but a rehash/remake of FF7 wouldn't need much in the way of tweaks (I do think I'm being realistic, I know it's an investment but it's a SMART investment).
I mean, as far as I can tell the handheld remakes of 3 & 4 were mostly the same with a few tweaks here and there and changes to the graphic style. In that vein, FF7 wouldn't have to go any further.

No I think people want FFVII made as an HD game and with all the production values of something like FFXIII. Why would you want something less?

You really think a new audience is going to want to play a game from 97? So this entire copy and paste thing sounds pretty dumb. And if your remaking the game why would you make exactly the same game? Whats the point?

 

[Gouty]

No I think people want FFVII made as an HD game and with all the production values of something like FFXIII. Why would you want something less?

Thats not what I want.

I want a FF7 remake like what the PSP got in FF4.

 

[Grayman]

All games from PSOne with Final Fantasy or Chrono in the title is money in Squeenix's pocket. They re-make, redo, or do whatever to give those games current gen assets will net them a mother fucking load of cash, considering the gaming market now that possibly don't have access to these games due to the costs, ease of finding, not to mention the current / old fan base they built up over the years.

They have to know this. If they don't, they have the thickest, dumbest CxO's running that joint.

Those games are are their easiest to find point in history because of playstation store having all of them and virtual console having quite a few and physical versions existing for GBA/DS.

Remakes now have to be not complete crap and Squeenixdos will have a hard time with that.

 

[Emitan]

yeah, man. enix totes ruined square

Remember when they ruined all those games that they had nothing to do with and totally didn't saved Square from bankruptcy?

 

[Rahxephon91]

Thats not what I want.

I want a FF7 remake like what the PSP got in FF4.

So then basically you just want a cleaned up PS1 game. So after all this time you just want the PS1 game in high res basically and maybe a retransalted scirpt?

Just play the PS1 game then. You don't actually want a remake.

 

[Zekes!]

Remember when they ruined all those games that they had nothing to do with and totally didn't saved Square from bankruptcy?

Didn't happen bro

Joking aside, imagine for a minute, a remake of Vagrant Story. How godly would that be?

Actually, not a PS1/N64 game, but Secret of Mana is one game that I think desperately deserves some kind of remake considering the difference in what it was originally supposed to be, and what we ended up receiving. I mean, the Mana series seems fucked nowadays, but if they could pull off a competent remake...

 

[Skilletor]

When people clamour for an FF7 remake, they're not asking for a brand-new FF7.

Pretty sure they are, else they should just play FF7.

People clamoring for an FF7 remake want the FF7 tech demo presented with the ps3.

 

[Gouty]

So then basically you just want a cleaned up PS1 game. So after all this time you just want the PS1 game in high res basically and maybe a retransalted scirpt?

Just play the PS1 game then. You don't actually want a remake.

I don't want to play the ps1 game because I want hd backdrops and a better script.

 

[CorvoSol]

FF7 remake won't ever happen because the Enix branch won't abide something it originally had no part in coming out and making a lot of money.
I don't believe upscaling and reworking graphics is that huge an investment. It's just one aspect to a game where other parts of the composition (gameplay, sound, etc.) are already worked out.

I'm almost certain the Finest Fantasy For Advance or whatever the hell the GBA remakes were came out AFTER the merger. Even if not, the PSP remakes of 1,2, and 4 most definitely did.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I don't want to play the ps1 game because I want hd backdrops and a better script.

So you want HD backdrops, but basically you want the game to be a PS1 game? But can keep the Crappy outdated FMV, crappy pop eye people, crappy animation, low quality music and in general just no real attempt to bring the game up to modern cinematic qualities that would refresh the game basically known for pushing gaming into the cinematic world. You just want hd backgrounds and if you get that then whatever.

Gee, that sounds like it's worth the wait.

And here I thought this is what people wanted, nope they just want a PS1 game.

 

[Gouty]

So you want HD backdrops, but basically you want the game to be a PS1 game? Crappy outdated FMV, crappy pop eye people, crappy animation, low quality music, in general just no real attempt to bring the game up to modern cinematic qualities that would refresh the game basically known for pushing gaming into the cinematic world. You just want hd backrounds and if you get that then whatever..

Pretty much.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Pretty much.

I'm sorry thats stupid.

 

[Gouty]

I'm sorry thats stupid.

Nope.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Nope.

So let me get this straight. You want crystal clear HD backgrounds that you will walk across with crappily detailed FFVII ps1 people that will look so out of place while low quality music plays and you will play this on your PS3 and you think this is acceptable?

 

[Deleted member 20920]

Everything that he has said

^Why does this suddenly feel like Gamefaqs???

Also, FFVII, like most have said, would be a huge undertaking. In fact I think most JRPGs from that era would be. Unless you want to get away with cut and paste assets. If they do a remake they have to remake everything. I doubt anything from the original game can be used (besides ideas and art that is on paper). Even HD pre-rendered backgrounds would probably take a while.

Also, I don;'t know why so many people think that a FFVII remake will so called, save SE. Remakes typically sell less than originals and like 90% of the people whom I knew were playing and praising FFVII back when it first came out already quit gaming. I don't see a remake repeating the sales of the original.

 

[Gouty]

So let me get this straight. You want crystal clear HD backgrounds that you will walk across with crappily detailed FFVII ps1 people that will look so out of place while low quality music plays and you will play this on your PS3 and you think this is acceptable?

Fuck no!

I'll be playing on my 360.

 

[Zekes!]

^Why does this suddenly feel like Gamefaqs???

Maybe this is gamefaqs....but in HD

 

[Deleted member 20920]

Maybe this is gamefaqs....but in HD

HD remake?

 

[icecream]

I think that's the only current gen console JRPG that even has a conventional world map (I could be wrong).

There are indeed other JRPGs this generation with a full world map.

Actually, not a PS1/N64 game, but Secret of Mana is one game that I think desperately deserves some kind of remake considering the difference in what it was originally supposed to be, and what we ended up receiving. I mean, the Mana series seems fucked nowadays, but if they could pull off a competent remake...

The Mana series is one that should be best kept in our fondest SNES/GB memories. For when one looks at what has been done to it since... every successive game has only been more and more successful at running the series into the ground.

 

[CorvoSol]

Maybe this is gamefaqs....but in HD

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Then you never see the moderator or administrator ever.

 

[Hobbun]

So you want HD backdrops, but basically you want the game to be a PS1 game? But can keep the Crappy outdated FMV, crappy pop eye people, crappy animation, low quality music and in general just no real attempt to bring the game up to modern cinematic qualities that would refresh the game basically known for pushing gaming into the cinematic world. You just want hd backgrounds and if you get that then whatever.

Gee, that sounds like it's worth the wait.

And here I thought this is what people wanted

Well, that's what I want...

*sigh*

 

[chickdigger802]

Waste of money for low chance of 'blockbuster' status.

I already know what happens in w/e, and updates and or remakes or w/e will always look/be lower than expectations or something.

Do we really need a slow mo particles everywhere HD camera spin tilted camera etc cutscene of

Spoiler

Aerith getting stabbed?

 

[Lich_King]

So you want HD backdrops, but basically you want the game to be a PS1 game? But can keep the Crappy outdated FMV, crappy pop eye people, crappy animation, low quality music and in general just no real attempt to bring the game up to modern cinematic qualities that would refresh the game basically known for pushing gaming into the cinematic world. You just want hd backgrounds and if you get that then whatever.

Gee, that sounds like it's worth the wait.

And here I thought this is what people wanted, nope they just want a PS1 game.

It looked so mindblowing in 2006, but now i'm happy ffVII remake didn't happen, cause that techdemo looks kind of bad now

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Because "HD Remakes" of last gen games is literally just porting the game 1:1 and have it render at a higher resolution with nearly untouched assets. I am currently playing "HD Remakes" of current gen games on my PC.

PS1 era games would require a rehauling to look presentable to the mass audience.

 

[Rahxephon91]

It looked so mindblowing in 2006, but now i'm happy ffVII remake didn't happen, cause that techdemo looks kind of bad now

Yeah because Sqaure couldn't possibly make the game better looking then the short tech demo that probably didn't take long. Yep theres no possible way the could happen. The tech demo is totally representative of what it look like.

 

[jump_button]

only one i can think of they need to keep same style

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

If you start with the premise that it's only feasible to remake the top selling games (> 5M sold) you essential have:

1. Gran Turismo series -- Sequels are HD remakes in essence -- gameplay/engine far too dated by current gen status.
2. Final Fantasy series -- not really qualified to discuss FF, but fan base has shrunk considerably?
3. Tomb Raider series -- no longer the AAA title it once was. Later games given the HD treatment sold poorly
4. MGS -- Not sure how you would make it into a current gen title without gameplay improvements that won't piss off gamers most likely to purchase it.
5. Crash Bandicoot - does the market for this exist? Was it ever great enough to warrant a HD remake?

 

[SamVimes]

Actually they merged cause square was nearly bankrupt at the time.

Now that's only creative bankrupt.

 

[An Owl With Knees]

Fuck no!

I'll be playing on my 360.

Ah, so you were lying.

Glad it's all cleared up now.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Games of that generation looked awful at 320x240. They would look awful in 1080p.

We are not just talking graphics, though.

Entire game mechanics would need to be re-done as the vast majority of games on the PSone play awful by today's standards. They are clunky as hell.

 

[Clear]

Looking at Square's 3 mainline FF titles of the PS1 era should tell you all you need to know about how things changed over the period.

FF7: Wildly ambitious but, truthfully, quite sloppily mounted in places even by the standards of its time. Loads of mini-games based on unique mechanics, but often with basic graphics. Scope over polish.

FF8: Image quality is significantly improved throughout, greater consistency is achieved but at a cost of streamlining the content. Side-content is stripped back to a single persistent mini-game (Triple Triad) that is somewhat integrated into the main game mechanics.

FF9: Image quality improves again, but side-content is perfunctory (Tetra Master, Hot'n'cold) and basically irrelevant to the main story.

Expectations rose in terms of visual quality which resulted in more time and effort being budgeted to deliver that. As a consequence "content sprawl" was systematically pared-back based on the notion of focussing down on key target areas being more valuable than providing an expansive experience.

A big part of FF7's "character" as a game is that its more than just a linear story. If you were to cut it back to just the main plot (no Golden Saucer attractions, no mini-games, etc) it'd be a very different thing.

Nowadays the thought of leaving in so many janky, roughly rendered mini-games is simply unthinkable as the prevailing opinion is that it would drag the metascore down, because people seem to delight in finding fault even when the faults exist in content that isn't central to the experience.

Nier is a rare modern-day example of this old-school "wide but shallow" approach, and look at how that was received, even though its rough-edged, eclectic approach does have its charms.

Remaking FF7 would provide a perfect crucible for this conflict. Faithfully reproducing every element of FF7 at a high graphical/mechanical standard would be prohibitively expensive, yet stripping it down to its essence would provoke howls of outrage from the community.

 

[MrCunningham]

only one i can think of they need to keep same style

yeah this. I would love to see a Kojima remake of this without all the Matrix silliness.

 

[massoluk]

No I think people want FFVII made as an HD game and with all the production values of something like FFXIII. Why would you want something less?

You really think a new audience is going to want to play a game from 97? So this entire copy and paste thing sounds pretty dumb. And if your remaking the game why would you make exactly the same game? Whats the point?

Actually, I'm fine if they get it HD Backdrop and PS2 level character model.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I was fine with no HD remake of VII, until I saw the VII tech demo on the PS3. I can't believe they did that, and now have no desire to remake it.

 

[Celine]

FF7 remake won't ever happen because the Enix branch won't abide something it originally had no part in coming out and making a lot of money.
I don't believe upscaling and reworking graphics is that huge an investment. It's just one aspect to a game where other parts of the composition (gameplay, sound, etc.) are already worked out.

Ah ah ah ah ah

 

[Hobbun]

It looked so mindblowing in 2006, but now i'm happy ffVII remake didn't happen, cause that techdemo looks kind of bad now

Even if SE stayed with the graphics of the Tech demo, it’s still a huge leap of the original game and I would truly appreciate the improvement.

And I think others, who at least played the original (and who hasn’t), would appreciate that as well.

Although I think it would be a bit scary looking on the

Spoiler

cross dressing

portion with Cloud.

 

[Haunted]

Blaming Enix for Square's stupidity, now I've seen it all.

 

[Endo Punk]

I don't want any remake of the PS1 era games, they're perfect as the day I bought them.

 

[Aeana]

Blaming Enix for Square's stupidity, now I've seen it all.

You'd never seen that before? It's one of the oldest things.

 

[gwarm01]

I hate how people just matter of factly state they could NEVER remake FF7. I hope they just mean SE as it exists today could never pull it off in a reasonable timeframe, because there's no reason why the game couldn't be made. Remake it in the same style (isometric view, pre-rendered or polygonal backgrounds), reserve voice acting for important cutscenes, then call it a day.

Giant RPGs are made and released every year. There's nothing special about FF7 .

 

[Host Samurai]

Resident Evil 2 REmake - Ideally I would like it to have the REmake treatment. Add in some new enemies, bosses and areas. In the "B" game make it very different than the A game with even more new locations and add in some RE 1.5 elements like the fat zombies, armor and bleeding along with the REmake additions of Crimson Heads and the sub defense weapon. That would probably be my dream game.

 

[RedSwirl]

So you want HD backdrops, but basically you want the game to be a PS1 game? But can keep the Crappy outdated FMV, crappy pop eye people, crappy animation, low quality music and in general just no real attempt to bring the game up to modern cinematic qualities that would refresh the game basically known for pushing gaming into the cinematic world. You just want hd backgrounds and if you get that then whatever.

Gee, that sounds like it's worth the wait.

This is exactly the problem: they would HAVE to re-do the backgrounds. At that point it becomes a question of deciding what to upgrade and what to keep the same. At that point you've already crossed the line on the sanctity of the original game, and may as well go all the way and make a new game. It's the reason why the people doing PS2 HD ports were so careful not to change any part of the original game at all other than the occasional textures or HUD elements.

Now, technically speaking you could do Metal Gear Solid or even the original Silent Hill because neither of those games uses any pre-rendered elements except SH's cut scenes, but even then Konami said they'd rather just re-do those games. I even think SHI's controls, gameplay, and camera hold up to today's standards better than most games from that time. I sort of imagine them doing something like what Bungie did with Halo Anniversary - take the original code and dunk the FOX engine on top of it.

I hate how people just matter of factly state they could NEVER remake FF7. I hope they just mean SE as it exists today could never pull it off in a reasonable timeframe, because there's no reason why the game couldn't be made. Remake it in the same style (isometric view, pre-rendered or polygonal backgrounds), reserve voice acting for important cutscenes, then call it a day.

Giant RPGs are made and released every year. There's nothing special about FF7.

Honestly I agree with this. ANOTHER developer, perhaps even a western one, could probably do it - just make an entirely new AAA game with FFVII's characters and storyline. I'm just convinced that Square Enix couldn't do it in any reasonable timeframe. It took them forever to get XIII out and look at that game. They had to get Tri-Ace to help them with XIII-2, and where the hell is Versus XIII?!

 

[Host Samurai]

XenoGears - I would love for an update that would be cel shaded 3d so it would improve the camera system. I hate pressing L1/R1 to rotate the camera.

 

[Ultratech]

Remaking FF7 would provide a perfect crucible for this conflict. Faithfully reproducing every element of FF7 at a high graphical/mechanical standard would be prohibitively expensive, yet stripping it down to its essence would provoke howls of outrage from the community.

The way I figure it, remaking FFVII would do nobody any good at this moment in time. Besides, I'm positive people would probably crap all over it for some reason or another for messing with their nostalgia.

One thing I found interesting yesterday was this article which sorta explains why it wouldn't be a good thing:
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9096181

It would be nice though...

Really, the only PS1 remake I've seen done remotely right was Tales of Destiny, and it blew the original game out of the water.

 

[RoninChaos]

No. But I do believe there's pressure in the company from the formerly-Enix honchos not to remake FF7, it's really the best possible explanation for why it hasn't happened yet.

Or it could be that redoing that entire game would be a monumental undertaking and Square Enix might not have the funds to do it.

 

[Skilletor]

Or it could be that redoing that entire game would be a monumental undertaking and Square Enix might not have the funds to do it.

Naw dude, just gussy up those old prerendered backgrounds and call it a day.

It's easy!

 

[Mitsurux]

surprised that no one mentione something like Halo CE Anniversary..

Handle FFVII in a manner similar, as the majority of the underlying systems are fine, have a separate engine displaying updated/new graphics/sound/music over the old....

Would it still take some time due to the games length, yes, does the game need full on voice over... no