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The Fighting Game Noob Thread: From Scrub to Master
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Crab Milk Mickey
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Making progress compared to your previous Laura video, yeah. Handful of general notes since I don't know much about her intricacies when playing as her:
- Look into which of Birdie's moves are punishable. There were a good few that you left on the table when you did block them.
- Examples: the sporadic Bull Head, his diving slide (down-forward HP) when not at max range, his shoulder bash (forward HP) and EX Bull Horn.
- Need to refine your anti-airing; I know it's difficult on Laura, but the Birdie got too much freedom with his jump-ins regardless.
- On that note: you were jumping around a little too much yourself given how good Birdie's cr. MP is, but I noticed you typically tried in anticipation of him doing something.
- The rhythm of your button presses could use more variety; you usually kept the same 'x amount of hits' style of pattern.
- To clarify: no tick throw attempts, nothing like a shimmy to try and whiff punish / CC a careless button press, no slight deviations in a block string to catch him off-guard, et cetera.
- Could be wrong about this, but I feel you weren't really using V-Trigger activation for extending combos yet or to make unsafe moves not punishable.
- You backed off quite a bit when the can was present. If you're allowed to, walk forward and block it as soon as possible. Intentionally hit it too if he likes to go for the leap grab afterwards.
Option selects are not too relevant in this game with how Capcom is actively trying to cut down their uses or outright removes them, so ignore them for now. Regarding basics:
- Offense, Defense and Throws.
- A training routine how to practice anti-airing. Said channel also has a really in-depth video on footsies, if you want to brush up your knowledge.
- Official character guides that explains the general utility behind their tools and more.
- "Once you start winning consistently online..."
- This channel also has a bunch of educational videos covering various subjects.
- A 5-minute fundamentals video on how to use Training Mode.
- Daigo's thoughts / notes on "the 6 Main Skills for Fighting Game Players."
Hopefully this'll suffice.
markwaters
Neo Member
Looking much better! Crab Milk Mickey covered the major stuff, but I'd like to add:
- The lack of hit confirms/finishing your combos is really hurting you. Laura lives and dies by her setups, meaties, resets, and general pressure off of completed sequences (especially post LP bolt charge). By not completing your combos, you give your opponent the impression that they can take unnecessary risks because the consequences are not severe enough to deter them. This is the biggest thing I think you should work on as a Laura player. Even if it's just into LP bolt charge, make sure you're not leaving damage/pressure on the table.
- I really, really love the use of EX thunder clap as a tool for advancing -- especially on a fortress like Birdie, but there are a few times I think other options would have been better. Try to rein it in and mind your distance/spacing a bit so you're not wasting too much meter. At full screen, you're better off just charging a 2-hit or 3-hit clap if you want to advance behind it and/or want to catch Birdie doing something foolish.
- Be real careful about throwing out volty line (V-skill overhead) up close. It's -7 on block. It's a free meal to someone who's wise to it. If you can space it out further, it's a useful tool, but it can get you killed if Birdie has a V-trigger on deck and you do it up close.
- As Crab pointed out, you're not making use of V-trigger, but I imagine that'll come with time. You hit the st.MP > st.MK target combo a few times; that's the perfect time to use it (link into cr.HP or st.HP xx EX clap > HP thunder bolt for big damage and corner push).
- Your anti-airs are a bit shaky at times, but when you do hit them, they're usually very clean. You even do dash under resets a couple times. That makes me think you know exactly what to do, but you're second guessing. Believe in your choices and keep it up!
Overall, it's looking good! Watching you advance with thunder claps gave me the idea to try to incorporate that into my Laura game more, so thanks! I think once you get a mind for hit confirming, punishing and get a better handle on Laura's spacing (you whiffed a lot of normal throws in these matches), you'll be well on your way.
Holyoneturtle
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I tried joining but it keeps saying invalid or expired.
markwaters
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They expire after 24 hours, I believe. Someone has to generate a new one, which I assume will happen next time there's a session/lobby!
Holyoneturtle
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Is there a schedule of when everybody on here plays. I would like to get in on this.
Cindi Mayweather
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We don't have a schedule, but when we play group sessions it's usually on Saturdays. Now that SFV has 8 player lobbies, we can set do lobbies regularly.
I don't see why not.
markwaters
Neo Member
Cool! What time do you guys usually play? I should be able to do it this weekend. I need to practice my trashcan Laura.
Holyoneturtle
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Cindi Mayweather
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Cindi Mayweather
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I'm at work. Ready at 10 pm ct.
2hrs?
Cool
Cindi Mayweather
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Yeah. Street Fighter V is starting to really click. Still getting used to some ranges, so the play is still a bit sloppy with the occasional lights whiff, but am I really enjoying the full range of systems the game has to offer. Buff Laura's command throw range please.
GGs!
http://youtu.be/Wyu6-9zRGbk
GGs!
http://youtu.be/Wyu6-9zRGbk
Cindi Mayweather
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You have a relentless onslaught and I have a feeling if you played a better player you would be punished handedly. Try to cool it.
I should have done HP bolt when you tried jumping out of the corner. Lesson learned.
I should have done HP bolt when you tried jumping out of the corner. Lesson learned.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Yeah I'm going to lab Vega.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I HATE Mika!!!
Be careful with buttons. You're pressing too many. I get lots of counter hits.
Be careful with buttons. You're pressing too many. I get lots of counter hits.
Cindi Mayweather
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To be truthful, I think you would be a better fit as a Rashid.
Get used to the concept of turns. I make a move, you a move. When I do a bolt (elbow special), and it blocks or whiffs, my turn is over. There is nothing I should do to you unless I have time to recover and you're not doing anything. By not doing anything you spend your turn and give me the opportunity to mount a counter assault. While I'm doing a combo be aware that it's my turn. When I try to hit you and I get countered, notice I'm not going to try it anymore. Things takes diligence and practice. You have to tell yourself,"I'm not going to hit buttons" and act on it.
Treat turns it's a turn based rpg or a chess game except on speed. Also remember it's a cooperative game and plays out like a dance. A dance cannot function with a partner. This also factor into mutual respect.
I'm telling you this but it's something I try to tell myself too. It has helped improve.
Get used to the concept of turns. I make a move, you a move. When I do a bolt (elbow special), and it blocks or whiffs, my turn is over. There is nothing I should do to you unless I have time to recover and you're not doing anything. By not doing anything you spend your turn and give me the opportunity to mount a counter assault. While I'm doing a combo be aware that it's my turn. When I try to hit you and I get countered, notice I'm not going to try it anymore. Things takes diligence and practice. You have to tell yourself,"I'm not going to hit buttons" and act on it.
Treat turns it's a turn based rpg or a chess game except on speed. Also remember it's a cooperative game and plays out like a dance. A dance cannot function with a partner. This also factor into mutual respect.
I'm telling you this but it's something I try to tell myself too. It has helped improve.
Never even considered Rashid. Play Vega cos i always did plus grapplers, Mika,Gief,Birdie,Alex etc interestd in even if my playstyle is the opposite. Play Tager in BB and Pot in GG. Always up to command grab folk. Churning spd when it's their turn and if they mess up slightly puts the pressure of turns off slightly. Much more so than the dance Vega has to do. Although you need to get in first with grapplers to threaten with spd in the first place so the dance is very much still there. Gotta keep improving. Skipping most of SF4 doesn't help either and are fresh from the start with SFV
Cindi Mayweather
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More on turns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpeMaU564g
Things I still need to work on:
1. Anti-air. During our session I got a few in. Need more consistency. Big weakness.
2. Punishing. You whiffed a Critical Art and I didn't use an EX command grab because I'm a dumb dumb.
3. Work on throw range and command grab range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpeMaU564g
Things I still need to work on:
1. Anti-air. During our session I got a few in. Need more consistency. Big weakness.
2. Punishing. You whiffed a Critical Art and I didn't use an EX command grab because I'm a dumb dumb.
3. Work on throw range and command grab range.
Haven't seen this floechart
You also got me dizzy alot(thanks to my mashing) and should do some training into combos. Seen a Laura do full charge HP fireball into forward HP Hp ending with the sky grab
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I tried to do that but you ended up blocking my f HP.
It's another good punish though. Thanks for the reminder.
I meant when i was dizzy. I remember you doing while not dizzy and blocking it
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Yeah, I know. I'll work on it!
I suggested Rashid because your style is in your face. Cammy would have been my second choice, but it seems you're about grapplers.
good thing mika plays close range and in your face too
expect a mika next session
feeling the vibes
Cindi Mayweather
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Fuck R Mika. I'm going to destroy you. No joke. Fuck R Mika. Make your grave NOW.
Cindi Mayweather
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markwaters
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Hahaha! Indeed.
I would rather take a thousand random Ken SRKs than accidentally get hit by a single Mika irish whip. It's so infuriating for some reason! And it happens a lot even when I'm expecting it.
Cindi -- re: dizzy combos, I've been labbing with Laura trying to find the most optimal ones, and I'd be happy to share my findings. A lot of the Laura stuff out there right now is old, suboptimal, or VERY specific and setup-oriented, so I've been mostly on my own in terms of optimizing the basic stuff. Is everyone still planning on playing later?
Ironfist -- Cindi's right about you going a bit crazy and how unsafe it is, but quite honestly, I think that if you want to play that brash, unpredictable style and still grapple, then Mika is absolutely your character. Mika can definitely play crazy and get away with it if she calculates her risks properly.
Thanks for the advice man
all this mika slander
glad someone knows what's up
Cindi Mayweather
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Fought Pink Diamond tonight. Good set and learned quite a bit. Biggest weakness here is my anti air. Kasuga is going to train with me later this week so we can get that down. Any other criticisms are more than welcome.
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Cindi Mayweather
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Things to work on:
- Anti air
- wakeup
- reads
SFGod is showing to be probably the most useful SFV channel with videos like How To Read Players In Street Fighter 5 and What Is The Shimmy?
- Anti air
- wakeup
- reads
SFGod is showing to be probably the most useful SFV channel with videos like How To Read Players In Street Fighter 5 and What Is The Shimmy?
Add hit confirm to lp bolt to the list. Every time you miss it, you are missing a mixup opportunity.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Mind expounding? I only ever do LP bolt after a hit confirm.
SolarPowered
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I'd rather fight an army of Mikas any day of the week.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They might have meant that, on counter hit you can link an lp bolt into a standing jab and cancel that into another lp bolt.
That's what I meant. You can either do 2 x st.LP or 2 x st.LK into LP Bolt. Every time you miss it and the opponent blocks, you lose opportunity in offense and put yourself into disadvantage. Which is a big turnaround, because Lauras close quarter defense is horrid like all grapplers( maybe except Mika because of her V-Reversal).
You also need better V-Trigger usage. Raw activation is a waste of a turn extender + hit confirm, because it turns things like all target combos into your advantage.
Also you can look at this Frame data which also has knockdown values and see what you can do after a throw.
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