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The future of handhelds
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I thought the OLED technology is well-known:Haunted said:
I didn't know such technology existed. I take it it's still pretty fucking expensive, though?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oled
I don't like its short life time, though if they can fix it in the next few years, it will do fine.
Yeah, and you could download games on the original Xbox so this gen consoles did nothing new. /sarcamDreamwriter said:
Both the PSP and the DS only got downloads very late in life. Until recently you needed a PS3 to access the PSN store and the DSi, which was only released in Japan, doesn't offer retail games as downloads.
HamPster PamPster
Member
I listen to 1up Yours or Gamers with Jobs or any other podcast and hear all this talk about various iphone games only to look at my psp and go "where are all you're simple cheap downloadable games?"
And not just the app store, but the console download stores as well. There are more PSPs then PS3s out there yet the PS3's PSN is much more active.
I hope Sony tries to address this. And I don't just mean getting the current games as a download, but there's probably alot of PSP games (and certainly potential psp games) where I'd rather just get 1/3 of the content for 1/3 of the price.
Of course, I'd rather them fix the problems now rather then waiting for a launch to roll out a bunch of new improvements
And not just the app store, but the console download stores as well. There are more PSPs then PS3s out there yet the PS3's PSN is much more active.
I hope Sony tries to address this. And I don't just mean getting the current games as a download, but there's probably alot of PSP games (and certainly potential psp games) where I'd rather just get 1/3 of the content for 1/3 of the price.
Of course, I'd rather them fix the problems now rather then waiting for a launch to roll out a bunch of new improvements
abstract alien
Member
It is, but its lowering to the point where one can conceivably plan on getting one without selling a soul or two. Its still really expensive though, so maybe just a small piece of your a soul and a peanut butter cup will do.Haunted said:
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
marwan said:
DSes do use capacitive screens.
Just sometimes you need accuracy and your fingers (or at least my fingers) are fat and chunky.
Caesar III
Member
both! I don't want to draw something with the finger!marwan said:
Caesar III said:
capacitive screens don't work with stylus, they need elector-magnetic charge from the body(or fingers) to execute commands AFAIK.
which reminds me Crayon Shinchan, the DS cannot be capacitive since it uses a stylus.
edit: the difference between capacitive and resistive screens
http://www.rycom.com.au/capvsres.htm
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
marwan said:
You're right. I misunderstood capacitive.
HamPster PamPster said:
It really depends on what you classify your system AS. It's all politics. For downloadable games to become Xbox Live Arcade, PSN or WiiWare titles they have to be rated by the ESRB, PEGI, USK, OFLC, everything under the sun. This costs money. DS and PSP software would be the same.
iPhone games do not need this at all. Apple do it themselves I believe. It's the same as the XNA Community Games which get rated themselves too, however Microsoft had to jump through so many hoops in order to get that completely sorted. It's still not available in a lot of countries.
I've no idea why, I assume it may be easier if you classify your system as a PHONE or a MUSIC PLAYER first and foremost. Sort of like how Sony calls the PlayStation 2 a specific name to avoid certain taxes.
Caesar III
Member
Why do you quote me? I know this and that is why I said I want both, capacitive and resistive so I can use either Stylus or finger.marwan said:
Finger only like the Iphone sucks
cooltrainer
Member
Would it be possible to make a special stylus that worked with capacitive screens?
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Harddrive.
Caesar III
Member
I think the batteryless possibilities for this are all patented by wacom.cooltrainer said:
flashdrive.B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
I think with DSi, we're not going to see another Nintendo handheld for a good 2-3 years. It's essentially DS's "Game Boy Color", a modest stopgap until we see it's features better integrated in a full fledged successor. We'll get the next PSP (PSP2? PSPtouch? PSPhone?) before that.
civilstrife
Member
xfactor said:
The iPhone I'm using to post this from the airport is laughing at you.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I am happy with the DS. I like the stylus more than finger touching for games (I own an iPod Touch and DS). I'd love to use a stylus on SimCity iPod but the SimCity games on DS are total ass water. The dual screens really helps with the interface on some games but its not necessary. I don't see the need for more fancy 3D graphics honestly, I like the ability to play 2D games on the handheld, and games can be complex and interesting on the platform (too often they aren't, but that's for another time).
One thing I always sort of wanted was a d-pad like the NGPC's, the fighters were amazing on that platform as opposed to the near-joke they've been on every other system save Tekken on PSP (and even then, on the PSP 1000....)
One thing I always sort of wanted was a d-pad like the NGPC's, the fighters were amazing on that platform as opposed to the near-joke they've been on every other system save Tekken on PSP (and even then, on the PSP 1000....)
Iam Canadian
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Honestly, I hope that the DS' successor, whenever we see it, isn't powerful enough to handle decent (as in above N64-level) 3D. The DS is one of the last bastions of quality 2D gaming and I'd really hate to see that go away.
Long live the DS.
Long live the DS.
Riskbreaker23
Member
psp2 will need to be able to run what ever type of the code the PS4 runs so that PSN titles can either be either played on the PS4 or PSP2.
This will allow them to kill 2 birds with one stone. bigger customer base (some may buy one and not the other) and devs have an instantly multiplatform game (kinda).
if they really try, they could possibly make the psp backwards compatible with some PSN titles. Not the ones that a super graphically intense like Wipeout HD but like flow, SSDHD,and bionic commando.
This will allow them to kill 2 birds with one stone. bigger customer base (some may buy one and not the other) and devs have an instantly multiplatform game (kinda).
if they really try, they could possibly make the psp backwards compatible with some PSN titles. Not the ones that a super graphically intense like Wipeout HD but like flow, SSDHD,and bionic commando.
Tbh, I don't think the DS2 will have graphics quite on par with the Gamecube.
Because, I imagine they will keep it relative to Dreamcast quality in order to keep a high frame-rate~ Similar to how DS software is often performing at 60fps with a N64-esque graphics engine (which was typically 30fps, IIRC)
Because, I imagine they will keep it relative to Dreamcast quality in order to keep a high frame-rate~ Similar to how DS software is often performing at 60fps with a N64-esque graphics engine (which was typically 30fps, IIRC)
I've always had the idea that 2D will move to an new 3rd tier gaming platform. A sort of "mini portable." The idea is probably easiest expressed by comparing an iPod nano to an iPod touch. Both are portable but one is certainly easier to carry everywhere, even in a pants pocket throughout your daily routine. The other is feature-packed but a bit bulky, better for trains and airplanes.
The idea isn't entirely new, but rather a targeted expansion onto the market that was never really explored to its potential because the technology just wasn't there. Older variations fitting this mold would be Tamagachis and other keychain pets, Digimon, Dreamcast VMU, Pocket station, and from the other angle with the Gameboy Micro. Currently cellphones and iPod Nano/Zune have some stake in this market but it's not like any of them are going anywhere in terms of gaming, as it's an after-thought. A concentrated effort into this market could really pay off IMO.
- The device would be scaled down and as thin as possible.
-The device would contain a small amount of flash memory capiable of holding some firmware and a few games (128MB?) but will have a microSD slot for upgrading.
-I figure something maybe slightly below GBA level in terms of power.
-The device would have a mini USB port which could connect to a console or just a computer for those without and it would charge via the same means. Games would not be sold at retail, it'd all be download only and transferred over the USB cable.
-It would have some means of interfacing with other of the same devices like IR to share data but no real-time multiplayer applications as bluetooth and wireless are expensive and a bit over-kill while wires are definately not something that would work for such a device.
-Speaker, perhaps not but at the very least a headphone jack with some included cheap earbuds.
- My thoughts would that the standard design should allow for one-handed play in Wii-mote style but maybe could also flip to a normal layout to allow developers to port projects over with minimal loss. No more than 2 face buttons (A and B), a D-pad, 2 function buttons (Start and Select) and maybe a trigger if one can be squeezed in vertical mode. There would be a motion (tilt) sensor to add a little more depth without complicating the device.
- Shoot for a $50 price tag, sub $100 at worst. Adjust specs as necessary.
- Device can play MP3s too, that would just be some simple software.
- Contains loop to hang danglies off of. Customizable face plates. I think the customization options on such a device would be important especially to appeal to the masses.
- Launch with a virtual pet application (Nintendogs mini?)
- If Nintendo, use the Gameboy brand to instantly attach a lineage to it.
I think such a device would do very well. Current handhelds are not only somewhat bulky, but as are extremely feature rich and are developed almost as miniture consoles. They are also getting expensive to boot and this would be easier for parents to swallow. This would simply take portables to the next level in portability. Games would be 2D (3D if you really wanted to push it with software engines), cheap and less complex for short "burst" gameplay. Perhaps you could even enforce that all games have a suspend feature not unlike Virtual Console where you start exactly where you powered off so you can instantly put it away.
The idea isn't entirely new, but rather a targeted expansion onto the market that was never really explored to its potential because the technology just wasn't there. Older variations fitting this mold would be Tamagachis and other keychain pets, Digimon, Dreamcast VMU, Pocket station, and from the other angle with the Gameboy Micro. Currently cellphones and iPod Nano/Zune have some stake in this market but it's not like any of them are going anywhere in terms of gaming, as it's an after-thought. A concentrated effort into this market could really pay off IMO.
- The device would be scaled down and as thin as possible.
-The device would contain a small amount of flash memory capiable of holding some firmware and a few games (128MB?) but will have a microSD slot for upgrading.
-I figure something maybe slightly below GBA level in terms of power.
-The device would have a mini USB port which could connect to a console or just a computer for those without and it would charge via the same means. Games would not be sold at retail, it'd all be download only and transferred over the USB cable.
-It would have some means of interfacing with other of the same devices like IR to share data but no real-time multiplayer applications as bluetooth and wireless are expensive and a bit over-kill while wires are definately not something that would work for such a device.
-Speaker, perhaps not but at the very least a headphone jack with some included cheap earbuds.
- My thoughts would that the standard design should allow for one-handed play in Wii-mote style but maybe could also flip to a normal layout to allow developers to port projects over with minimal loss. No more than 2 face buttons (A and B), a D-pad, 2 function buttons (Start and Select) and maybe a trigger if one can be squeezed in vertical mode. There would be a motion (tilt) sensor to add a little more depth without complicating the device.
- Shoot for a $50 price tag, sub $100 at worst. Adjust specs as necessary.
- Device can play MP3s too, that would just be some simple software.
- Contains loop to hang danglies off of. Customizable face plates. I think the customization options on such a device would be important especially to appeal to the masses.
- Launch with a virtual pet application (Nintendogs mini?)
- If Nintendo, use the Gameboy brand to instantly attach a lineage to it.
I think such a device would do very well. Current handhelds are not only somewhat bulky, but as are extremely feature rich and are developed almost as miniture consoles. They are also getting expensive to boot and this would be easier for parents to swallow. This would simply take portables to the next level in portability. Games would be 2D (3D if you really wanted to push it with software engines), cheap and less complex for short "burst" gameplay. Perhaps you could even enforce that all games have a suspend feature not unlike Virtual Console where you start exactly where you powered off so you can instantly put it away.
shykyoichi
Member
shas'la said:I would quite like this;
Is that a balance board mini?
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
2D handheld gaming will never go away, no matter how powerful the machine is, simply because handheld game budgets are very small and 2D games are cheaper to produce.
Look at the PSP, it has plenty of good 2D games despite it's 3D prowess and people are buying them in droves on the DS. 2D handheld gaming is here to stay.
Look at the PSP, it has plenty of good 2D games despite it's 3D prowess and people are buying them in droves on the DS. 2D handheld gaming is here to stay.
This a million times. 60fps for the motherfucking win. Would be amazing if they somehow manage to keep the scanline-based renderer which enforces 60fps unless the CPU is overworked but increased the max polycounts and added a few features (filtering, more blend modes and multi-texturing would be enough).Hive said:
(BTW N64 games were often below 30fps...)
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
M3d10n said:
I agree, the most important thing for the DS2 is that it should have the 60 FPS locked in place.
Whether it is DC, Gamecube, or XBOX level graphics, I want the console to every single game locked at that framerate.
Yes, it certainly failed in a more spectacular manner. :lolDCX said:
Of course DC's corpse got raped and all the good titles ported, but GC's going through a similar trauma now. Should be a heated battle for most retrospectively worthless console, Dreamcast may lose it crown yet.
Drkirby said:
they used pics from diffferent mario karts.
on topic, i want better resolution screens, tilt sensors, rumble, all of DSi's features, other new features and graphical power on the level of GC on the DS sucessor. i also want better d-pad and buttons (moreso the d-pad. use the GBM d-pad) and more resistant touch screens.
waiting for tech to get cheap enough for that is good and seems to be part of nintendo's plan.