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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN
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Did some looking up and generally sources seem to agree that they didn't. I have my doubts, though, as to the hair they might be splitting in saying so. Certainly all federation ships were equipped for exploration, but you can't tell me the Reliant in TWoK was originally intended for science missions. It was armed to the teeth and had a small profile you'd expect of a battleship. I always assumed it was on that mission because they were looking close to the neutral zone.
It's just a bit hard to believe that the Federation went through hot wars with both the Romulans and the Klingons and never once built a warship in either of those conflicts. I'm really tempted to just consider that line about as meaningful to pre-DS9 trek as Section 31 and all that.
Henchmen21
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What? No way is Reliant a warship. It's too small. Plus it was no more armed to the teeth than enterprise was. Sure it was slightly more advanced than enterprise (Spock's line about "outrun us and outgun us") but who wouldn't be due to constitution class being older. There were no warships in trek prior to DS9 (another thing DS9 ruined). Besides, it was there scouting for possible planets suitable enough for project genesis just as Chekov stated in his log entry.
Shouta
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The Reliant? That was a Miranda-class wasn't it? That thing isn't that much more of a warship than the Constitution class and others like it. I mean, I think it was more armed than other contemporary ships but I don't think they ever meant it simply for fighting.
I can't think of a full ship as small as the Defiant was prior to DS9. The Miranda was 100 meters long, twice the height, and carried 180 more crew members compared to the Defiant, going by Memory Alpha's quote of the DS9 tech manual.
DrForester
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"Lower Decks" revealed that junior officers shared rooms.
You're pretty confused if you think size has much to do with anything, and the Defiant is tiny, like twice the size of a runabout. You do realize that warships come in all sizes, right? A corvette and an aircraft carrier aren't comparable in size.
And the design of the ship clearly emphasizes weaponry over sensor equipment.
I think it's a point we could argue about all day, but I don't think the thought ever entered anyone's head that the Federation had *never* made a war ship until that line in DS9, and I don't think the shows ever tried to imply that. Again, the Federation had been at war twice by the time TOS started, and were at that point already again beginning to engage in hostilities with the Klingons (which was turned into a cold war by ren-fairing uberaliens). It just seems patently ridiculous to try to mesh those two ideas together.
Galaxy class is huge compared to the ships in the movies.
benjipwns
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Defiant had shared rooms for everyone but Sisko iirc. And I think Voyager had the same shared room situation for "lower decks" people.
Although Kirk and Spock don't exactly have large quarters except for that weird all glass one in TMP. I think Janeway's ready room is way larger than Kirk's quarters in II-VI. Her quarters certainly were, not anything like Picard's but still quite large.
Actually, isn't Kirk's quarters from II-VI incredibly small compared to every single quarters shown in TOS? Didn't even Scotty have multiple rooms in his quarters when he wasn't hanging out in that tube in Engineering?
Although Kirk and Spock don't exactly have large quarters except for that weird all glass one in TMP. I think Janeway's ready room is way larger than Kirk's quarters in II-VI. Her quarters certainly were, not anything like Picard's but still quite large.
Actually, isn't Kirk's quarters from II-VI incredibly small compared to every single quarters shown in TOS? Didn't even Scotty have multiple rooms in his quarters when he wasn't hanging out in that tube in Engineering?
I know it was probably done in the films to evoke that naval feeling Meyer wanted.
AFAIK, the Constitution Class starships were no-expense-spared flagships built to handle any role, including that of warship, and the later Miranda Class was a slimmed down, more efficient, less expensive, less versatile, more refined version of the Constitution Class, that just happened to make no sacrifices when it came to firepower, and was more than capable of holding it's own against a Refit-Constitution Class starship in a firefight.
Starfleet: Oh, we have a good name for this. Let's call it a "Science Vessel".
It definitely was a science vessel, since it was seen working on science missions, but it was also a fully-capable warship.
The Defiant was supposedly Starfleet's first "pure" warship, built for nothing other than battle. DS9 took a cynical view on Star Trek's idealism, and said that they can't call it a warship because Starfleet doesn't make "warships", so they called it an "Escort Vessel".
That would make meeting Wesley and getting to know him super-effective in working out the root of Picard's problems.
Starfleet: Oh, we have a good name for this. Let's call it a "Science Vessel".
It definitely was a science vessel, since it was seen working on science missions, but it was also a fully-capable warship.
The Defiant was supposedly Starfleet's first "pure" warship, built for nothing other than battle. DS9 took a cynical view on Star Trek's idealism, and said that they can't call it a warship because Starfleet doesn't make "warships", so they called it an "Escort Vessel".
I wonder if maybe Wesley was specific part of Picard's child-hating since before TNG, since he had a thing for Beverly but lost her to Jack Crusher, and then Jack died but Beverly wasn't on the market again, because now she had Wesley (maybe not true, but in Picard's mind).
That would make meeting Wesley and getting to know him super-effective in working out the root of Picard's problems.
Man! First season of DS9 has sucked so far 
I saw the show back in the day when it was first aired but I really didn't remember it was this bad. The acting, make-up and special effects are all good but the stories are just awful. I remembered DS9 as bit more mature ST show and I know it will eventually come to that but I recalled they started constructing the story arc right from S1 but I guess I remembered wrong.
edit. and the actor playing Sisko is really bad. He is bit too dramatic for my taste.
I saw the show back in the day when it was first aired but I really didn't remember it was this bad. The acting, make-up and special effects are all good but the stories are just awful. I remembered DS9 as bit more mature ST show and I know it will eventually come to that but I recalled they started constructing the story arc right from S1 but I guess I remembered wrong.edit. and the actor playing Sisko is really bad. He is bit too dramatic for my taste.
soundscream
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Sisko <<< Gotee Sisko <<<<<< Bald & Gotee Sisko.
acheron_xl
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Man! First season of DS9 has sucked so far
edit. and the actor playing Sisko is really bad. He is bit too dramatic for my taste.
Duet, at the tail end of S1 is a great example of the really awesome character work that DS9 was capable of. There were some stinkers early in it's run (as there are with any Trek series,) but it absolutely finds it's legs. It doesn't truly hit it's stride until S4.
DrForester
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You should have a read of Wil Wheaton's first meeting with "William Fucking Shatner"
Part 1: http://suicidegirls.com/news/geek/20562/
Part 2: http://suicidegirls.com/news/geek/20634/Wil-Wheatons-Geek-in-Review-WILLIAM-FUCKING-SHATNER-Part-II/
Thanks, those were excellent reads. They boosted my respect for the cast of TNG and Gene Roddenberry.
An understatement....
In Shatner's defence, it could have been an accident. Maybe he prepared himself for an interview where Colbert was loud and combative, but when Colbert played the interview as a fan Shatner's demeanor came across as hostile and bitter.
The Librarian
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It's up on Colbert's site right now. Where was he being a jerk? I just want to make sure I have the right parts in mind.
Best part was when Colbert hesitated to call William Shatner "Bill" but you know he was going to do it anyway.
Haha what?? William Shatner being a jerk is part of his interview persona since forever. It's basically one big running joke. Shatner was clearly kidding. People thinking otherwise must be pretty unfamiliar with Shatner interviews.
If there is any Trek captain actor who is a jerk in real life it is Avery Brooks. Apparently he is a pretty pompus asshole in real life. Sadly the opposite of Sisko.
If there is any Trek captain actor who is a jerk in real life it is Avery Brooks. Apparently he is a pretty pompus asshole in real life. Sadly the opposite of Sisko.
Sephiroth503
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Man! First season of DS9 has sucked so far
edit. and the actor playing Sisko is really bad. He is bit too dramatic for my taste.
It gets better, it'll be worth it. I did a S1-S7 run at the end of last year. Really enjoyed it!
Man! First season of DS9 has sucked so far
edit. and the actor playing Sisko is really bad. He is bit too dramatic for my taste.
The show mostly sucks until Sisko gets his beard (though there are a few high points).
JoshuaJSlone
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BattleMonkey
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Where does this notion come from? It's weapon compliment is about the same as it's larger cousins, just becuase it's a bit smaller doesn't mean more emphasis on weaponry, nor would that mean it's more of a warship. The Reliant itself was attached to a science research project. The war game books set in the timeline of the TOS era also make no distinction of it being more of a warship than any of it's larger cousins.
benjipwns
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I think Shatner was pretty much kidding, I've seen him do plenty of interviews like this. He seems to be playing around with Colbert's persona. There are times when he wants to truly plug his latest project and people just want to talk Trek or shit, you can always tell he's not fully pleased but plays along.
You can see him trying to hold back cracking up on the space and climbing mountain stuff.
Just having to guess I'd assume he went all in on the Shatner persona and when Colbert was playing off it he decided to stick with it. He rushed to get his tour dates in there which I assume they would have had time for normally.
If it's anything like Stewart's interviews they're longer than what is shown.
You can see him trying to hold back cracking up on the space and climbing mountain stuff.
Just having to guess I'd assume he went all in on the Shatner persona and when Colbert was playing off it he decided to stick with it. He rushed to get his tour dates in there which I assume they would have had time for normally.
If it's anything like Stewart's interviews they're longer than what is shown.
ManDudeChild
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DS9 and TNG share this simple rule: if the commander has a beard, the episode is likely to be better.
JoshuaJSlone
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Watching DS9 S7, 'Take Me Out to the Holosuite'. Audibly lol'd when this part happened, about 5 or 6 seconds from where I timecoded this to start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-pSg1PbPa8#t=00m50s
ROFL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-pSg1PbPa8#t=00m50s
What were you doing, regenerating?!
So after playing a lot of Star Trek Online and seeing so many Galaxy dreadnought cruisers, I came to a realization. Wouldn't that third nacelle be a huge liability to anyone trying to launch a shuttle from the main shuttlebay? It seems like the superstructure added to support the nacelle eliminated the other two bays, so certainly the main bay would see a lot more traffic. Except now, the moment the bay doors open you'd have an enormous red light right in your face and less than 100 meters away, taking up about half of the width of the bay itself. You'd have to immediately pull directly up or risk doing catastrophic damage to your own ship. Seems a terrible liability.
DrForester
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I think you underestimate how massive that shuttlebay is, and pilots are skilled. It's no different than the configuration for the Nebula Class ships where their equipment pack was right behind the saucer.
DrForester
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DrForester
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Watching Quantum Leap. Been a long time since, and it's amazing how many Trek Actors are in the show. Already seen General Martok (who I recognized by voice alone), and Gul Dukat.
Genre actors get passed around shows like crazy. Pretty much any 80s SF show is full of people who's futures included Trek.
Michelle Forbes as Ensign Ro Laren good god this woman is just stunning also played Admiral Cain in battlestar galactica, and Mary Ann in true blood.
Just felt like posting it since I saw the BSG pegasus episode on tv a couple of hours ago.
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Fox Mulder
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She was supposed to be on DS9 but turned it down.
Shadow Hog
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She's also Judith Mossman from Half-Life 2, if that matters.Michelle Forbes as Ensign Ro Laren good god this woman is just stunning also played Admiral Cain in battlestar galactica, and Mary Ann in true blood.
Just felt like posting it since I saw the BSG pegasus episode on tv a couple of hours ago.
DrForester
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Happy First Contact Day!