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The GiantBomb Quick Look Thread
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EviLore said:
I thought Bioshock and Kotor hit a great balance. well, the regen chambers in Bioshock is an exception, from my POV but it wasnt a dealbreaker.
Both were great games.
Deus Ex 2 went too far, I think.
But whats wrong with game devs trying to get more people to play them? Why should the folks putting up the cash be satisfied with an increasingly smaller pool of hardcore players getting the chance to enjoy their games?
getting game difficulty right" is tough. really tough. But I appreciate games that have systems in place to allow players of different mindsets to have fun.
As I imagined the Quick look was pretty painful to watch.
Vinny did a good enough job for well.. Vinny.
He genuinely tried to learn and understand the game and inform himself prior to the quick look, so kudos for that Vinny.
But ultimately we're talking about Jeff Gerstman and Vinny Caravella here.
I enjoy Giant Bomb because of the humor these guys bring to the table. They have tons of personality. If you're looking for intelligent insight in games... well we're talking about people who still didn't understand the simplest mechanics of Persona 4 after 90 hours of play time. :lol
Dave on the other hand is a PC gamer and therefor is far more willing to play to games that don't hold your hand as if you were four year old. Kudos to Dave for being awesome.
Vinny did a good enough job for well.. Vinny.
He genuinely tried to learn and understand the game and inform himself prior to the quick look, so kudos for that Vinny.
But ultimately we're talking about Jeff Gerstman and Vinny Caravella here.
I enjoy Giant Bomb because of the humor these guys bring to the table. They have tons of personality. If you're looking for intelligent insight in games... well we're talking about people who still didn't understand the simplest mechanics of Persona 4 after 90 hours of play time. :lol
Dave on the other hand is a PC gamer and therefor is far more willing to play to games that don't hold your hand as if you were four year old. Kudos to Dave for being awesome.
Felix Lighter
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There wasn't much rage. Only Amir0x's reaction was over the top but that just seems to be his style.
Stoney Mason
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lol. This thread has now offically become hilarious and about everything except that Quick Look with people promoting separate agendas or grievances.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Watching that quick look, then looking at the trailers....... :lol
I think I'm going to follow with Dave's thought of waiting to buy this game around the 2010 mid-year drought*. I have a thing for stupidly hard games, regardless of how well I can actually play them.
And, yeah. Jeff always says exactly what he thinks, he's not very modest. If he doesn't like something, he's going to let that through. I think Vinny and Dave were far more reserved on their thoughts of Demon's Souls - they both seemed pretty interested in the concepts of it, but like most sane people they're anxious of how fucking crazy that game looks.
* EDIT: That is, if the game comes to Australia. Or if I import.
And, yeah. Jeff always says exactly what he thinks, he's not very modest. If he doesn't like something, he's going to let that through. I think Vinny and Dave were far more reserved on their thoughts of Demon's Souls - they both seemed pretty interested in the concepts of it, but like most sane people they're anxious of how fucking crazy that game looks.
* EDIT: That is, if the game comes to Australia. Or if I import.
Not just Yosuke. Nearly every persona got turned to shit.Tamanon said:
Almost always deleting spells like agidyne for maragidyne also made me shake my head in disbelieve. Especially because they were so keen on mana preservation with their shitty invigorate skill that they passed on to every single persona. :lol
His skillset was great and his animations were amazing.rollingstart
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EviLore said:
I think you're forgetting one important thing:
Deux Ex - PC
Deux Ex IW - PC/Xbox
System Shock 2 - PC
Bioshock - PC/Xbox 360
BG2 - PC
KOTOR - Xbox
When they started creating with consoles in mind, that's when it started to shift. Demon's Soul started as a console (PS3) game. What are they gonna do? make it harder and have Demon's Soul 2 be on PC (PLEASE DO THIS!). Dead Rising might be another example. We'll see how DR2 turns out.
astroturfing
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Linkzg said:
yea good luck with that, Demon's Souls is a Sony-owned IP. made by From Software with help from Sony Japan Studio. good thing too cos i wouldnt stand to play this kind of game with a damn mouse and keyboard.. the gameplay is freaking awesome with a dualshock!
i personally cant wait to see what they'll do next for the PS3, apparently the game has sold decently so something similar but even better might be coming our way... if it's another brutal dark fantasy RPG i will scream from joy! Demon's Souls 2... i'm not worthy!
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the funny thing is, I would be far more likely to give this game the time of day on PC as opposed to on a console. it's a weird psychological thing, when I'm sitting down in front of my PC, I'm more patient and willing to learn complex game-systems, whereas when I'm sitting with a controller in hand, I'm much more likely to write it off as 'clunky'.
Linkzg said:
Deus Ex - PC/PS2. Just saying.
There is no reason why any of those games had to be made simpler that has anything to do with consoles.
From Software has been making difficult, inaccessible Western-styled ARPGs exclusively for consoles for ages. There is nothing about consoles that has made this more difficult for them.
If a Demon's Souls 2 is made, it will not come to the PC.
rollingstart
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sonicmj1 said:
Deux Ex was PC, then later there was a PS2 verison. Just like there was KOTOR on PC later on. Day and date matters more because it's more telling which version was the lead. All I'm saying is, there is enough proof that games were made more simple when they design process started to include console gaming in them.
The Demon's Soul 2 on PC was a joke, btw...
DodgyGeezerFella
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How different was Deus Ex PC vs the PS2 version ? I remember playing both (PC not much at all, PS2 quite a bit on a rental). Was alot of fun as i remember. Did they change anything considerably or was it exactly the same ?
Cat in the Hat
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Here is a tip to the Giantbomb guys. Let Dave play Demon Souls.
It's been awhile but I'm pretty sure they were exactly the same besides the visual and controls of course.
Ogs said:
It's been awhile but I'm pretty sure they were exactly the same besides the visual and controls of course.
You know, Vinny was a good sport, and I don't think he outright said anywhere that he hated the game, just that he found it difficult. Which I guess it can be! The only person on that QL that was being a hard sell was Jeff. Which I guess is a little distressing because Jeff, along with Ryan, I believe are the primary editorial forces behind that site, but... whatever. At least they're acknowledging it.
I've never played Deus Ex PS2 but I remember hearing about certain levels that were once large areas being segmented into two or more areas due to memory limitations.Cat in the Hat said:
Some people in this thread are overreacting
Vinny was very informative and helpful about the game, especially to people like me who had no idea what the game played like. Even if some information was wrong, we're human, we make mistakes and then we learn.The hate towards him is kinda mindboggling when he was the most positive towards the game and said he would definitely keep playing. Kudos to Vinny.
They never said the game was unfair, just harsh. They are right about this.
The only negative person was Jeff but he probably isn't the one reviewing it.
Vinny was very informative and helpful about the game, especially to people like me who had no idea what the game played like. Even if some information was wrong, we're human, we make mistakes and then we learn.The hate towards him is kinda mindboggling when he was the most positive towards the game and said he would definitely keep playing. Kudos to Vinny.
They never said the game was unfair, just harsh. They are right about this.
The only negative person was Jeff but he probably isn't the one reviewing it.
Cat in the Hat
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I think Vinny is just to nice to say shut the fuck up to Jeff. He kinda just goes with the flow.
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you need to play it. the game is absurdly fun, everything sort of clicks together in a weird-way when you're actually controlling the character.lawblob said:
the dance thing is a taunt, by the way :lol
Cat in the Hat
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Jeff went in that room be a hater. He provided nothing constructive except "ughh"No_Style said:
I thought the QL for Demon's Souls was pretty informative, you got a nice mix of views as well. Also, for all of the people getting shitty about it and saying how incorrect they were about things like MP regen..you do realize that he's early in the game and probably hasn't encountered those things right? Way to jump the gun and make yourselves look like an ass:lol
EmCeeGramr
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guys the giant bomb crew is funny and all but you need to understand that in order to be a gaming journalist you literally have to be terrible at playing videogames
there is not a single journalist at a a single major gaming website who is not embarrassingly horrible at every single videogame on earth, it's time we accept this and move on
there is not a single journalist at a a single major gaming website who is not embarrassingly horrible at every single videogame on earth, it's time we accept this and move on
Cat in the Hat
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Yeah that's true. So he's conflicted at bestCday said:
Somewhere Luke Smith smiled.EmCeeGramr said:
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hamchan said:
Am I missing something because from the quick look, it sure as hell looked unfair! Like how the hell are you supposed to get past that Cthulhu like squid without grinding or knowing a trick around him?
I mean the very first enemy you encounter in only the 2nd level of the game & he died 4 times against it?
4 hits & you're dead, add the fact the enemy has projectile weapons where he can attack you from across the room, but you can't target him from that far. Plus a close up bomb like attack that radius is so big that if you even parry/dodge back, it will still hit you.
Lastly, if you die twice before getting to your death spot, all your experience/souls are lost for good!? That is just plan unfair.
Spirit of Jazz
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Cat in the Hat said:
I think he provide the view of an average gamer that enjoys repetitive, long-arsed games that get hyped to hell here because they're difficult (see Godhand). I'm pretty sure the majority of people seeing Vin play the game were thinking the same thing, Jeff doesn't deserve to get hated on just because he's not a masochist like you.
I say this as someone who's considering buying a PS3 just because this game looks so awesome. This quicklook didn't deter me at all, in fact it made me want it more and I'm pretty sure that if you're the kind of person who'd like this game you'd feel the same. So I don't get why the hell people need to hate when he's just giving an opinion that's not all that difficult to believe?
Felix Lighter
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FTWer said:
He said that wasn't necessarily the second level. He had other places he could have potentially gone. He assumed he wasn't prepared for that battle yet.
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